---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/01/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:45 AM - Re: final rigging (Gene & Tammy) 2. 05:35 AM - Re: T88 Mixing Gun (pietn38b@aol.com) 3. 05:51 AM - (no subject) (RBush96589@aol.com) 4. 09:27 AM - subscription renewal (Donald Lane) 5. 10:41 AM - Assembly milestone (HelsperSew@aol.com) 6. 11:08 AM - Re: Assembly milestone (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 7. 11:09 AM - Re: Assembly milestone (Rick Holland) 8. 11:31 AM - Re: Assembly milestone (Glenn Thomas) 9. 12:31 PM - Re: Assembly milestone (Ryan Michals) 10. 12:37 PM - Re: Assembly milestone (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. 01:03 PM - Re: Digital Scale (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 12. 01:50 PM - Re: Assembly milestone (dwilson) 13. 02:23 PM - Continental A-75 Cooling Baffles (eyebrows) (Steve Ruse) 14. 03:48 PM - Re: Digital Scale (Glenn Thomas) 15. 04:34 PM - Project for sale (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 16. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Digital Scale (HelsperSew@aol.com) 17. 05:04 PM - Re: Assembly milestone (Jack T. Textor) 18. 06:39 PM - Re: Assembly milestone (HelsperSew@aol.com) 19. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Assembly milestone (HelsperSew@aol.com) 20. 06:45 PM - Re: Continental A-75 Cooling Baffles (eyebrows) (walt evans) 21. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Digital Scale (Rick Holland) 22. 07:31 PM - Re: Assembly milestone (Rick Holland) 23. 07:52 PM - Flight Instructors-a listing (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 24. 07:56 PM - Re: Dave Stephens Piet (Skip Gadd) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:29 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: final rigging Robert, What an exciting time for you. Hope everything goes well. Where are you going to keep her? I'd love to fly down and meet the both of you. As far as Brodhead, the more the better. Right now I'm in the dog house. Last night I told my wife I was flying to Brodhead right after I returned from my motorcycle trip. She didn't seem too pleased with the idea. Guess I'll know for sure when she starts talking to me again. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: RBush96589@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: final rigging thanks for the input on my rigging question everyone. I am going to try to get it together this weekend, weather permitting.Jack and Gene if everything goes OK in the next couple of weekends,and I can get comfortable flying this thing by the time you get ready to make the trip to Brodhead I would be interested in making the trip with you. I live between Jackson and Lexington. Robert Bush ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/24/2007 5:58 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:56 AM PST US From: pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T88 Mixing Gun Chuck You must have watched the movie "High Road to China" :):):) Jim **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:52 AM PST US From: RBush96589@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Gene, I rent a 2300 ft grass strip with a t-hanger from a neighbor of mine about a half mile from my house.If you know where the law rd.exit 93 is off of i-40 it is about 4 miles north of there. ROBERT BUSH NX294RB **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:58 AM PST US From: "Donald Lane" Subject: Pietenpol-List: subscription renewal Dear Mr. Dralle I have been getting the pietenpol-list double, to both addresses (dslane@capital.net and dslane@logical.net), I recently sent a contrubutuion for the listing under capital.net and would liket to desubscribe my listing under logical.net. You are doing a great job operating this list and I know are greatly appreciated by the subscribers. Thank You Donald Lane ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:56 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone Guys, I have reached a milestone today. I was finally able to bring down my one-piece wing from the wall and assemble it to the fuselage. Boy does it feel good. Here are some pics to spur on the others behind me. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:38 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone Looks great Dan! Maybe my next trip to Rockford I can see her in person. Naturally that's if you're willing to show her off over a brew! John Recine **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:59 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone Beautiful work Dan, just one suggestion, you may consider getting a new prop before the first flight. RIck On Dec 1, 2007 10:40 AM, wrote: > Guys, > I have reached a milestone today. I was finally able to bring down my > one-piece wing from the wall and assemble it to the fuselage. Boy does it > feel good. Here are some pics to spur on the others behind me. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > ------------------------------ > Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest productsand top > money wastersof 2007. > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:18 AM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone Nice! Too bad it's getting covered. I consider myself officially spurred. Just got a jointer and will hopefully get the garage straightened up so I can start in on my tail feathers. Keep it going! Glenn On 12/1/07, HelsperSew@aol.com wrote: > > Guys, > I have reached a milestone today. I was finally able to bring down my > one-piece wing from the wall and assemble it to the fuselage. Boy does it > feel good. Here are some pics to spur on the others behind me. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > ------------------------------ > money wastersof 2007. > > -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:56 PM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone Very nice. Love the prop!! Ryan HelsperSew@aol.com wrote: Guys, I have reached a milestone today. I was finally able to bring down my one-piece wing from the wall and assemble it to the fuselage. Boy does it feel good. Here are some pics to spur on the others behind me. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:24 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone Now that is one beautiful piece of craftmanship. You should be very proud. I am just to see the picture. Corky **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:42 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Digital Scale Just remember as mentioned a earlier post...Viscosity/weight is different between the two. I would purchase two new containers and weight each one before opening them. Record the difference. That difference should be your starting point between each half. Then you'll have better accuracy in amounts of material to mix....make sense?... Ken H. Ryan Michals wrote: Thanks for the ideas. What is the largest amount (in grams or ounces) you have weighed up at one time? Would a 200g (.457 oz) capacity be large enough? There are a few reasons for weighing; 1.Consistency. I've noticed varying cure times. When it's still a little "tacky" the next morning, It makes me worry a little, although it always fully hardens up. 2. Accuracy. I've been using small plastic cups, it's tough to scrape every last bit out of the individual cups. 3. Ease and efficiency. If you are right in the middle of gluing everything, it's starting to set up and you run out and need that just a little more. Gordon Bowen wrote: It's a good rule of thumb on ratios of resin to curative, for most commerically available epoxies used for laminations. The density diff between the two makes the gram ratio 100 parts resin and about 88 parts hardener, or 100:100 based on volume. Most epoxy systems you can buy off the shelf are somewhat forgiving on the ratios, so 83-93 parts hardener to 100 parts resin by weight will work out just fine. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Digital Scale I believe that the ratio by weight is 83 to 100. Going by memory here. They don't say what the ratio by weight is anywhere on the bottle or isntructions, but they do have a data sheet on their web site that has it. Go to http://www.systemthree.com/p_t_88.asp and click on the technical data sheet. I am running out the door now or would look it up and post it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Glenn Thomas Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Digital Scale I bought one here... http://www.oldwillknottscales.com/ I used it when making ribs to measure out one part of the T-88. One of the parts has a higher mass per volume so you have to measure the volume of the other part visually. It was good for getting the right amount to start with. T-88 instructions say to mix 2 parts of equal volume. When I was ready to mix by equal mass I could see that the volumes where different so the scale didn't really end up giving me the precision I was hoping for. I think you can get pretty good precision using identical translucent plastic containers and a block of wood or straight edge behind them as a reference point. I documented my discovery here... http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=9&filter=0 On 11/30/07, Ryan Michals wrote: Can anyone recommend an inexpensive scale for weighing epoxy etc..? Thanks' Ryan -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you ">Try it now. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Assembly milestone From: "dwilson" Dan, Is it possible for you to post a couple of close-ups of your jury-strut fittings ? Workmanship looks great! I like the color of your metal fittings and struts. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149917#149917 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:46 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-75 Cooling Baffles (eyebrows) I want to replace the J-3 cub style "eyebrows" on my GN-1 Aircamper. I can't seem to stop all the cracks in these things. I would like to build essentially a square baffle, instead of the rounded design like the J3 baffle. What are the design considerations for these baffles? The only criteria I believe I've ever seen is that you are to have a certain pressure differential between the top and bottom of the cylinders to maintain adequate cooling. Obviously that would be difficult to calculate accurately. My plan is to essentially match the frontal area of the J3 baffle, and have a similar downard taper towards the rear of the baffle. My guess is that this is to increase pressure above the cylinders, to maintain adequate cooling flow accross the cylinders. What am I missing? Who else here has created their own baffles, and what am I not thinking about? I fly this plane a LOT, so these have to cool the engine properly. Steve Ruse Norman, OK ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Digital Scale From: "Glenn Thomas" I use the same cups as Clif except I don't buy them. I guess for 4.20 maybe I should. McDonalds puts them out for ketchup. The guilt dissipates quickly. After I rob McDonalds I go to Starbucks and get some wooden T-88 applicators, I mean, stirrers. So far no high speed chases have ensued. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149929#149929 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:23 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale Members, In barnstromers under the search engine you can find in the project page a nice Pietenpol for sale at a very goods price.....if interested. Food for thought on this wintery blizzardy day! Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:26 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Digital Scale Glenn, Now that's what I call scrounging! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:06 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone From: "Jack T. Textor" Dan, Beautiful work, thanks for sharing the pictures! Jack Textor www.textors.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:09 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone Rick, Thank you. Yea, I was thinking there might be something wrong with that prop too. This just confirms it. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:11 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Assembly milestone Dan, Thank you for the encouragement. I really really appreciate it. Here are a few detail photos. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:59 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-75 Cooling Baffles (eyebrows) Steve, I made the round ones. But for the advise of my Mentor,,,made them with dead soft aluminum. Rolled welding wire into the edges. And no cracks yet. walt evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ruse" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-75 Cooling Baffles (eyebrows) > > > I want to replace the J-3 cub style "eyebrows" on my GN-1 Aircamper. I > can't seem to stop all the cracks in these things. > > I would like to build essentially a square baffle, instead of the rounded > design like the J3 baffle. What are the design considerations for these > baffles? The only criteria I believe I've ever seen is that you are to > have a certain pressure differential between the top and bottom of the > cylinders to maintain adequate cooling. Obviously that would be difficult > to calculate accurately. > > My plan is to essentially match the frontal area of the J3 baffle, and > have a similar downard taper towards the rear of the baffle. My guess is > that this is to increase pressure above the cylinders, to maintain > adequate cooling flow accross the cylinders. > > What am I missing? Who else here has created their own baffles, and what > am I not thinking about? I fly this plane a LOT, so these have to cool > the engine properly. > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:13 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Digital Scale Don't feel guilty Glenn, when I was building my mock cockpit and needed some more wood I would wait till it got dark (so the neighbors wouldn't start gossiping) and hit some of the construction dumpsters in the area. Rick On Dec 1, 2007 3:48 PM, Glenn Thomas wrote: > glennthomas@flyingwood.com> > > I use the same cups as Clif except I don't buy them. I guess for 4.20maybe I should. McDonalds puts them out for ketchup. The guilt dissipates > quickly. After I rob McDonalds I go to Starbucks and get some wooden T-88 > applicators, I mean, stirrers. So far no high speed chases have ensued. > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149929#149929 > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:30 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Assembly milestone Yea, sometimes it takes a second set of eyes to flush out some of those subtle problems. Rick do not archive On Dec 1, 2007 3:51 PM, wrote: > Rick, > > Thank you. Yea, I was thinking there might be something wrong with that > prop too. This just confirms it. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > ------------------------------ > hottest products and top money wastersof 2007. > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:42 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight Instructors-a listing I recently saw a posting (last week) looking for CFIs for tailwheel instructions try this link it may help. http://www.pilot-flight-instruction.com/ Rob Stapleton, Pietenpol/Corvair Builder Anchorage, Alaska ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:18 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dave Stephens Piet _Gordon, I never did receive the below message, just got it out of archive. Paden City is just up the river from us. Have your friend stop by. From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Dave Stephens Piet Skip, Thought those hills in pic background looked familiar, I was born and raised, (til the Army got me '65) in Paden City WV. One of my Piete builder buddies comes back to WV each year for 4 July, gonna e-forward your pic and notes on Hales Landing to him, maybe he'll have chance to stop by and admire your work next summer. He's currently living in FL, he and another homebuilder originally from Wheeling wanted to team fly my Piete and an Aeronca up to WV last summer for 4th, maybe next summer. Gooooo Eeerrs! 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