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1. 06:15 AM - Happy New Year (Gene & Tammy)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Happy New Year (AmsafetyC@aol.com)
3. 07:09 AM - Landing gear (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
4. 08:57 AM - Re: Project update (Tom Stinemetze)
5. 10:10 AM - Flight Review (Don Emch)
6. 12:03 PM - Re: Flight Review (pietflyr)
7. 12:21 PM - Flight Review (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 01:32 PM - Re: New Year's Stuff (Tim Willis)
9. 02:32 PM - Wing ribs/plans/gear brackets for sale (James)
10. 03:21 PM - Re: Project update (Jack T. Textor)
11. 03:36 PM - New Year's Stuff (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 04:18 PM - Re: New Year's Stuff (Mike King)
13. 04:58 PM - Re: New Year's Stuff (dwilson)
14. 06:55 PM - interesting off topic note (walt evans)
15. 08:36 PM - Re: interesting off topic note (Brian Kraut)
16. 09:50 PM - Re: interesting off topic note (Dave and Connie)
17. 10:17 PM - Aileron Hinge (Richard Schreiber)
18. 10:30 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Dick Navratil)
19. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:04 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Hope 2008 will be a safe, exciting and productive year for all of you.
Your a great group and besides being very interesting you've been so
very helpful. I always look forward to checking my e-mail to check for
Piet postings.
As some of you may remember I rebuilt my A 65 and did a few other
changes to my Piet. Even tho I didn't build my Piet, with your help it
all worked out great. Between work and weather I'm not getting to fly
as often as I would like. Hopefully 2008 will change all that.
I heard from Randy Bush last week and he indicated he has the wings on
his new Piet and he had been doing taxi tests. How about it Randy, how
about a report.
Gene in Tennessee
N502R
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| Subject: | Re: Happy New Year |
Well now that 07 is now little more than a fond memory and we view 08 with anticipation
of projects beginning and projects completing. I want to wish all my
Piet builder buddies a happy new year! You have been a great resource for me and
my build, I look forward to the interaction and project visits to come.
Be well and Keep on gluing!
John Recine
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy New Year
Hope 2008 will be a safe, exciting andproductive year for all of you. Your a great
group and besides being very interesting you've been so very helpful. I always
look forward to checking my e-mail to check for Piet postings.
As some of you may remember I rebuilt my A 65 and did a few other changes to my
Piet. Even tho I didn't build my Piet, with your help it all worked out great.
Between work and weather I'm not getting tofly as often as I would like. Hopefully
2008 will change all that.
I heard from Randy Bush last week and he indicated he has the wings on his new
Piet and he had been doing taxi tests. How about it Randy, how about a report.
Gene in Tennessee
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Dick: Yah, I'm so sick of winter that I'm already past the winter of 07.
I'm now into hating the winters of 08 and 09. I'm way ahead of the game.
I took my last drink of of demon hard liquor Jan. 29th of 07- 11 months
ago. Perhaps I need to start up again. I'm not much of a beer drinker
but I usually fill up a cooler with beer for Brodhead and Oshkosh--got
to keeo the strength up for all the walking! I just had 12 days without
electricity a couple of weeks ago and had plenty of time to think about
the all aluminum Piet again. Another reason I probably won't build it
is because I just spent $800 of Pietenpol money (Covering supplies) on
a generator so I won't be caught in the cold and dark again. The price
of living in the country
Grahm: It is fun to dream. Gordon: I've considered the stress on al.
stingers, but also have noted that several designs like the
WW-1Aerodrome Aeroplanes are built with al. tube (Piet style) riveted
together. One of their airplanes (Nieuport-28 ) is heavy ( #1212 gw. and
Rotec radial) But it's a moot point since I 'm 95% sure I won't do it.
Ken Chambers: I have 4 pictures available that have been posted before.
I'll re post them. I have web Tv. which is what Fred Flintstone used, so
I'm limited t what I can post. The pix. don't show much detail, but I
got the disc brakes from AS&S for 3/4" axels. I bought an ATV magazine
and looked for a company the made wheels. While looking at atv. tires at
Walmart I decided 21x12x8 would look ok so asked Douglass about making
me a pair with only the center boss hole drilled. (I forget the size. I
think they are 1 1/2" ) then had my brother drill for the lug bolts on
our mill. The wheels are 2 piece welded together. Each half comes in
various depths, your choice. I chose 3'' inner and 3"outer for 6" with.
The pictures I have will be sent next. If you have any other questions
please ask. There also is a picture of the inside beef-up structure for
the Kerri Price front door. Leon Stefan In KS.
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| Subject: | Re: Project update |
<A great long weekend allowed me to just about complete my center
section>
<and start assembling the left wing. It's fun to see something
"big" for>
<a change. I posted some pictures on my site; they are at the end
of the>
<Piet Project page. Still a long way to go!>
Jack:
Way to go and thanks for the motivational photos on your web site. I'm
just a little
behind you on the wings part of the project and I've found it VERY
helpful to be
able to visualize what I'm about to do if I can see how someone else did
it.
Does anyone on the list have any similar photos of how they built the
"flop" in
their wing center section? I'm torn between a cut-out or the flop at
the moment
but I know I will need one or the other. The ceiling of my shop is
almost exactly the
same height above the fuselage as the wing will be and I have been
experiencing
just how hard it's going to be to climb in. Kind of makes the airplane
noises
reverberate well though.
Happy New Year from cold, windy Kansas.
Tom Stinemetze
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Is there anybody out there that has used their Piet for a Flight Review. I know
you can but I just wondered if anyone on the list actually has. I have one
coming up soon and have a couple of local rental taildraggers and instructors
that I could do it in, but the thought crossed my mind that I could save a buck
if I could convince an instructor to use mine. The lack of intercom might hinder
it some but... Anybody have an experience they'd like to share?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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I did it with mine last year. Checked out a local instructor in my Piet (he did
at least half the landings) and he signed it off as a BFR! He weighed 205 (I
weigh 200) and it was 93 degrees so we got a good solid 100 fpm climb.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight Review
Is there anybody out there that has used their Piet for a Flight Review. I know
you can but I just wondered if anyone on the list actually has. I have one
coming up soon and have a couple of local rental taildraggers and instructors
that I could do it in, but the thought crossed my mind that I could save a buck
if I could convince an instructor to use mine. The lack of intercom might hinder
it some but... Anybody have an experience they'd like to share?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Don;
I had my flight review ("biennial") in 41CC. What's the problem with that,
as long as the instructor is willing? If it's the same category and class
as your rating (airplane, single engine, land), there should be no problem
at all.
We had an intercom for the flight review, but as you Piet pilots know, it's
not quite like trying to communicate in a closed cabin aircraft. Mostly g
runts, hand signals, and simple instructions.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmai
lto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: New Year's Stuff |
When I first went outside this AM to see absolutely clear skies and crisp weather,
I thought "Oscar!.... he will be flying today!" (We are about 100 miles north
of his field.) If he had to drive to Zapata to fly, maybe not, but if it's
homebased, it's a sure thing.
A couple of days ago we had a great visit here with Carl and Ann Lekven, Piet builder
ANNCARLEK on this site. They are from the L.A. area. I showed them my
very slow progress adapting Corky's second project. Since he was an engineer
with both Boeing and Douglas, he offered some very well based suggestions. It
was great fun. Thanks, Carl.
Ken, are you in Austin, MN, or Austin, TX? If the latter. let's get together soon.
If MN, it will have to wait, esp. until after spring, esp. after reading
Leon's post about no power and the cold for many days. (When we had a major
ice storm here about ten years ago, I bought the last generator in Austin, so
we could power the heatilator around the fireplace and have lights. Still it
got down to 53F inside, even after the generator. Before that, it was a little
colder, wife Dixie was wearing a fur coat, and browsing L.L. Bean catalogs.
Thanks to all of you this last year for answering my newbie questions, and for
providing all of us the benefit of your thoughts, experiences, designs, pictures,
and techniques. BP himself would have been proud of all this.
Happy New Year.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 1, 2008 12:03 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear
>
>What size are your wheels, Leon? What kind of brakes are you using? Do you
>have a photo available?
>
>I've been thinking about trying to find ATF wheels that are tall and skinny
>enough to look like the old aerowheels.
>
>Happy New Year everyone
>
>Ken in Austin, knocking out walls and pricing capstrips.
>
>
>On Dec 31, 2007 8:18 AM, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not using spring gear, but have thought of wanting to try it if I
>> ever built a second Piet. The lighter Grove aluminum gear legs would be
>> the thing to use. Probably work best with with a steel tube fus., but
>> with some beefing in the gear box area, I think it would work on the
>> wood fus. also. I think you would have less hours of building time
>> invested with the spring gear,but after all the beefing I don't think
>> you would have much savings in weight. I built the J-3 type gear with
>> Hagar brakes, and Douglass alum. atv. wheels and it is relatively light
>> at 48 lbs. complete. This part is insane and I will never do it, but I
>> would love to build a Piet. in all aluminum. The fus. built like a BD-4.
>> Leon S. in Ks with nothing better to do but day dream because there is
>> another damn artic blast blowing threw again today.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Wing ribs/plans/gear brackets for sale |
Hi guys,
Due to a change of plans I will not be starting a Piet project and all my
parts are for sale. I have a Charlie Rubek built set of ribs including four
extra ones as I was planning on extending the wingspan by four feet.
All plans, and a set of gear mount brackets for a straight leg setup.
$450.00 for all.
Those that have Charlies ribs know what a work of art they really are.
Jim T
813/210/1196
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Hi Tom,
Frigid here too! Have you checked out www.westcoastpiet.com or
www.pietenpolclub.co.uk. They may have the photos you are looking for.
Happy New Year, back to my real job tomorrow.
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | New Year's Stuff |
Tim wrote-
>Still it got down to 53F inside, even after the generator. Before that, i
t was a little
>colder, wife Dixie was wearing a fur coat, and browsing L.L. Bean catalogs
.
It is presently about 55F in our house and my sweet wife Jay has the doors
open so it will cool down even more. I am wearing long underwear and sever
al layers of outer clothing, in the house. This is our understanding and a
greement of what life will be like until menopause runs its course... if it
ever does. I am not allowed to say "it's too cold" and also am not allowe
d to say "isn't it nice and warm today" while she is mopping the sweat off
herself and red in the face.
Happily married for going on 39 years now but sure don't understand women's
metabolism, logic, or internal operations. I do know that in wife-speak,
'no' means yes, 'yes' means 'maybe', and 'maybe' means 'no'. I also know t
hat 'no' cannot be changed to anything else, ever, so don't bother trying.
Don- take your flight review in the Piet. It will be so much fun for the i
nstructor that he will ace you no matter what!Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXma
ilto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: New Year's Stuff |
For the last several years, my BFR has been in the GN-1. My instructor,
who is also an FAA flight examiner and on my GN-1
insurance policy, loves to fly in the plane. We don't have an intercom
system worth a hoot, but between hand signals and
some occasional yelling, we get the job done.
Makes sense to use the plane you plan to fly exclusively as the one for
the twice a year proficiency exam. Oscar is right,
the examiner/instructor love the change of pace. I can't wait to get my
plane from Dallas to Corpus Christi where I now
live. It will be great to fly down the coastline.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Corpus Christi, Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Year's Stuff
Tim wrote-
>Still it got down to 53F inside, even after the generator. Before
that, it was a little
>colder, wife Dixie was wearing a fur coat, and browsing L.L. Bean
catalogs.
It is presently about 55F in our house and my sweet wife Jay has the
doors open so it will cool down even more. I am wearing long underwear
and several layers of outer clothing, in the house. This is our
understanding and agreement of what life will be like until menopause
runs its course... if it ever does. I am not allowed to say "it's too
cold" and also am not allowed to say "isn't it nice and warm today"
while she is mopping the sweat off herself and red in the face.
Happily married for going on 39 years now but sure don't understand
women's metabolism, logic, or internal operations. I do know that in
wife-speak, 'no' means yes, 'yes' means 'maybe', and 'maybe' means 'no'.
I also know that 'no' cannot be changed to anything else, ever, so
don't bother trying.
Don- take your flight review in the Piet. It will be so much fun for
the instructor that he will ace you no matter what!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: New Year's Stuff |
Tim
Up here in the other Austin ( MN ) 53 ^ F this time of year is t shirt and shorts
weather... Outside right now is 1 below with 25 below wind chill. I'm thinking
about installing a rather large wind shield...
Dan
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| Subject: | interesting off topic note |
A co worker of mine left our wind generator group and now works at
another.
But either way sent me a pic of a job site 300 ft up. Quite a prop
hub, eh?
figured I could share,,,cause it DOES have a prop.
walt evans
NX140DL
do not archive
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
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| Subject: | interesting off topic note |
Is that a Hartzel or a McCauley?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:56 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: interesting off topic note
A co worker of mine left our wind generator group and now works at
another.
But either way sent me a pic of a job site 300 ft up. Quite a prop hub,
eh?
figured I could share,,,cause it DOES have a prop.
walt evans
NX140DL
do not archive
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
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| Subject: | Re: interesting off topic note |
I saw a wind mill blade go by on the highway last week. They are
huge! They have a stockpile of them in Dansville, NY. There is a setup
going in on one of the local hills.
Dave
At 09:56 PM 1/1/2008, walt evans wrote:
>A co worker of mine left our wind generator group and now works at another.
> But either way sent me a pic of a job site 300 ft up. Quite a prop hub, eh?
>figured I could share,,,cause it DOES have a prop.
>walt evans
>NX140DL
>
>do not archive
>
>"No one ever learned anything by talking"
>Ben Franklin
>
>incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
>Checked by AVG.
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I'm using aluminum piano hinges on my ailerons. I noticed that in one of Tony Bingelis'
books, he cautions on using hinges that are one long continuous run as
they can bind due to spar flexing during tight turns. My question is, those
of you that have used piano hinges did you use one continuous 6 foot hinge or
did you cut it into shorter sections? Those of you that have used one continuous
run, have you experienced any binding? I think I remember Walt Evans, saying
awhile back that he used a continuous run and has had no issues. Is that still
the case Walt?
Thanks,
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
I have made 2 wings with a continous 6 ft hinge. One is a on piece wing
the other is a 3 piece. I havent had any problems with binding.
Dick N
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge
I'm using aluminum piano hinges on my ailerons. I noticed that in one
of Tony Bingelis' books, he cautions on using hinges that are one long
continuous run as they can bind due to spar flexing during tight turns.
My question is, those of you that have used piano hinges did you use one
continuous 6 foot hinge or did you cut it into shorter sections? Those
of you that have used one continuous run, have you experienced any
binding? I think I remember Walt Evans, saying awhile back that he used
a continuous run and has had no issues. Is that still the case Walt?
Thanks,
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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at the following location:
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
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updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
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information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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