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Sat 01/12/08


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 09:11 AM - CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (Patrick Panzera)
     2. 09:20 AM - Steve's Fuselage  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     3. 09:53 AM - Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (Patrick Panzera)
     4. 11:12 AM - Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
     5. 04:34 PM - Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (Don Emch)
     6. 04:50 PM - Re: Piet DVD (HelsperSew@aol.com)
     7. 05:12 PM - Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (Gene & Tammy)
     8. 06:21 PM - Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (jimd)
     9. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (Peter W Johnson)
    10. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (AmsafetyC@aol.com)
    11. 08:09 PM - glue front seat front support? (Jeff Boatright)
    12. 11:14 PM - Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:11:57 AM PST US
    From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
    Subject: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue
    Hey Gang! A few weeks ago I put the word out that I'm very interested in publishing an "All Pietenpol" issue of our magazine. Although a few of you came forward and offered article ideas, the overall response was underwhelming to say the least. I KNOW it's not from a lack of interest, but rather it's probably from one or more of the following reasons: 1) What the heck is CONTACT! Magazine??? 2) My plane isn't nice enough to be in a magazine. 3) My project is incomplete. 4) I'm not using an "alternative engine". 5) I don't know how to write. 6) I'm building a GN-1 7) I'm a lurker and don't even own a Pietenpol. To answer those concerns I offer the following: 1) COONTACT! Magazine is a bimonthly, independent experimental aviation magazine, operated as a non-profit, educational resource. There are no ads* in our magazine, just 100% experimental aviation, the type of stuff you can't find in the other overly-commercial publications available today. I just put up on our website (for a limited time) a PDF of an entire issue of our magazine so you can see an example of it, cover-to-cover. It's an older issue, one of my favorites, and a very popular issue as it sold out almost immediately. Back issues if this one are only available as laser reprints. To download it go to www.ContactMagaine.com From there, look for the "current issue" button. Once on the "current issue" page, scroll down to Issue #79. Look for the "DOWNLOAD NOW" hyperlink. The file is a bit over five megs. *We have a classifieds section that's printed on the otherwise wasted "cover wrap" used to protect the magazine during mailing. It's only available to subscribers and can not contain commercial ads. 2) Our magazine does not deal exclusively with award-winning projects. We honor innovation and respect anything built by hand and are just not interested in projects completed by hired guns and cubic dollars. This magazine is for experimenters, by experimenters. 3) How many of us would walk into someone's hangar and turn our collective noses up at an incomplete project? Not me! I love the nuts-and-bolts, seeing how stuff goes together and learning from the process. Our readers are the same way. Other magazines find incomplete projects taboo. We feel that if our readers can learn from a project, incomplete or not, we want to feature it. 4) CONTACT! Magazine has a reputation of being an "alternative engine" magazine. Although we feel that it's just not right to spend more money on an engine than you'd spend on the entire balance of the plane, and as a result we like to feature new and different engines, mostly auto conversions, we also feature the balance of experimental aviation. So for the all-Pietenpol issue, we'll be featuring the plane AND the powerplants, certified or not, hoping to showcase the spectrum of engines being used, including again, certified engines. 5) We can certainly help with the writing. Although it makes our lives much easier when we receive a fully-written article, by no means do we ever expect to get something we can simply cut-and-paste into the magazine. We can help across the board; just let me know your concerns. 6) Let me put it this way.... if it's at home in Brodhead, it's welcome in this issue. 7) Even if you don't have a plane or project, maybe you can let me know of a plane or project that we might pursue for the magazine. Ok, I've taken up far too much of your time with this. Hopefully I've motivated a few of you to help me out. We all know that there's a rich history with the Pietenpol and for the most part, it's neglected in the current crop of magazines that are more interested in selling ad space than they are with exploring all aspects of experimental aviation. So with that, please consider helping us produce an honorable depiction of the current state of all things Pietenpol. Thanks!!! Patrick Panzera Editor@ContactMagazine.com


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    Time: 09:20:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Steve's Fuselage
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    All I know is that Steve's damaged fuselage should go in some museum somewhere with a plaque that says something about "This fuselage was flown by Steve E. in 1999 powered by a unassuming 65 hp engine (non-turbo, non-fuel injected, non-anything) over peaks towering as high as ten thousand feet enroute to Wisconsin in July of 1999 and the pilot lived to talk about it. I can't imagine the backbone it must have taken to fly an open cockpit Pietenpol from Utah to Wisconsin over those rugged mountains and back again. I say when finances and time permit---rebuild, resurrect, inspect, and fly again !


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    Time: 09:53:42 AM PST US
    From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
    Subject: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue
    > To download it go to www.ContactMagaine.com <http://www.contactmagazine.com/> From there, look for the > "current issue" button. Once on the "current issue" page, scroll down to > Issue #79. Look for the "DOWNLOAD NOW" hyperlink. The file is a bit over > five megs. It looks like I dropped a z out of the URL. The proper link is www.ContactMagazine.com <http://www.contactmagazine.com/> Sorry. Pat


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    Time: 11:12:55 AM PST US
    From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
    Subject: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue
    Hello Pat I think there are a couple of other reasons why you got no reply from Model A Pietenpol builders. First, the percentage of Piet builders using the Model A engine is tiny compared to other engines. Many have started out with a Model A engine, than after problems switched to a different engine. Second, this list seems to be a builders list. In the 5 or 6 years (or more, I don't remember exactly) that I have been here, most of the guys who finish their airplanes leave the list, so they didn't see your post. I only know of around 4 or 5 builders who have stayed with the list after completion, and none of them are using the Ford engine. Leon Stefan 9 years into a 2 year Model A Piet project, ready for cover, but probably will waste 2008's warm weather building season cleaning up from Decembers 300 year ice storm instead of covering the Piet. I also blew my covering money buying a generator so as not to be caught in the cold and dark again. AGAIN LEON S. IN DEPRESSING KANSAS LONGING FOR THE DAY I CAN SHOUT "ain't life grand!!! OR AS CHUCK WOULD SAY " yeeeeeeeeee haw!!!.


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    Time: 04:34:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Hi Pat, Sign me up. What kind of information would you like and how would you like it sent? I could write somewhat of a story if you'd like. I could get some pictures to you, but there are several of mine already on Chris Tracy's fantastic site, www.WestCoastPiet.com. Any promotion of the Pietenpol design to others in the aviation world is good! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157710#157710


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    Time: 04:50:48 PM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Piet DVD
    Mike, I can't stop laughing as of 5 minutes after reading your post!!! My wife agrees with the divorce part!! If I don't laugh I will cry!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489


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    Time: 05:12:43 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
    For what it's worth. A while back someone on this list asked about forming windshilds made from plexiglass. I needed to make a replacement windshild for my Piet as the windshild it came with was tinted dark and in low light conditions it was difficult to see towers. The windshild has two bends in it (flat in front with bends at the sides) and I was told that to bend either plexiglass or lexan you needed to use an oven at about 250 degrees. Unable to locate an oven big enough, I was forced to try other ways. Here's what I found that worked for me. I decided to use 1/8th Lexan as it won't shatter like plexiglass will. I was able to make clean cuts with a jigsaw with a 14 tpi blade. I found my cuts were best when made with a slow speed. To make the bends I did a lot trial and error. I obtained great results by building a jig for the windshild, cutting out the windshild, then forming one bend at a time using a heat gun (the same one I use to preheat my A 65 for cold weather starting). I found that by keeping the heat gun between 3 & 4 inches above the lexan and moving it back and forth over the area of the bend at the rate of about 6" every second, it would take about 1.5 to 2 minutes for the lexan to soften enough to bend. If you don't keep the heat gun moving or you get too close, the lexan will bubble, ruining your work. In my experimenting I tried both Plexiglass and lexan and found it works well with both. I was able to make nice bends in Lexan, up to 1/4" thick. Drilling holes is easy as long as you use a slow speed. I finished the edges with a file and sandpaper. I would suggest using scrap pieces and experimenting before trying to form the "real" piece as it did take a little practice to get it right. Gene


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    Time: 06:21:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
    From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
    Gene, I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good template for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of them have anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol), anyway quite a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas is available. Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short of guessing and playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates. Surely someone has a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields on them. Is the one, or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you have them off can you get an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions would be better, and something printable would be awesome. Anyone? Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743


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    Time: 06:37:04 PM PST US
    From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
    Jim, When I bought my plans from Don Pietenpol a template was included. I used it and am happy with the results. I could rough some measurements from it if you like. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Gene, I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good template for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of them have anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol), anyway quite a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas is available. Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short of guessing and playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates. Surely someone has a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields on them. Is the one, or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you have them off can you get an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions would be better, and something printable would be awesome. Anyone? Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743 2:04 PM 2:04 PM


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    Time: 06:56:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
    From: AmsafetyC@aol.com
    I didn't get one, not that I need it at the moment. I like everyone else building will need it in the future. John That's the long version of me too Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Jim, When I bought my plans from Don Pietenpol a template was included. I used it and am happy with the results. I could rough some measurements from it if you like. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Gene, I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good template for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of them have anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol), anyway quite a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas is available. Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short of guessing and playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates. Surely someone has a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields on them. Is the one, or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you have them off can you get an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions would be better, and something printable would be awesome. Anyone? Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743 2:04 PM 2:04 PM


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    Time: 08:09:48 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: glue front seat front support?
    Dear Pieters, Is the front support of the front seat supposed to be glued to the fuselage crossmember that is glued to the floor? Out front seat is held in by just two bolts at the back of the seat. Unscrew those bolts and the seat pulls right out. Is that a bug or a feature? ;-) Thanks for any thoughts or experience, Jeff -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision


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    Time: 11:14:34 PM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
    Gene, Excellent information. One more thing to add as I work with many different types of plastic and carbon fiber.....Again try this on scrap piece of material before the real deal. Take 500 grit wet and dry sand paper and find some acrylic floor wax. apply the floor wax to the sand paper and carefully sand the edges around your plastic. It should round the edges real nice and make a smooth dull colored edge like on the top of door glass in your automobile. As with carbon fiber, this method makes the sharp edges disappear! Just my two cents worth! Village idiot...... Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net> wrote: For what it's worth. A while back someone on this list asked about forming windshilds made from plexiglass. I needed to make a replacement windshild for my Piet as the windshild it came with was tinted dark and in low light conditions it was difficult to see towers. The windshild has two bends in it (flat in front with bends at the sides) and I was told that to bend either plexiglass or lexan you needed to use an oven at about 250 degrees. Unable to locate an oven big enough, I was forced to try other ways. Here's what I found that worked for me. I decided to use 1/8th Lexan as it won't shatter like plexiglass will. I was able to make clean cuts with a jigsaw with a 14 tpi blade. I found my cuts were best when made with a slow speed. To make the bends I did a lot trial and error. I obtained great results by building a jig for the windshild, cutting out the windshild, then forming one bend at a time using a heat gun (the same one I use to preheat my A 65 for cold weather starting). I found that by keeping the heat gun between 3 & 4 inches above the lexan and moving it back and forth over the area of the bend at the rate of about 6" every second, it would take about 1.5 to 2 minutes for the lexan to soften enough to bend. If you don't keep the heat gun moving or you get too close, the lexan will bubble, ruining your work. In my experimenting I tried both Plexiglass and lexan and found it works well with both. I was able to make nice bends in Lexan, up to 1/4" thick. Drilling holes is easy as long as you use a slow speed. I finished the edges with a file and sandpaper. I would suggest using scrap pieces and experimenting before trying to form the "real" piece as it did take a little practice to get it right. Gene Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.




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