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1. 09:11 AM - CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (Patrick Panzera)
2. 09:20 AM - Steve's Fuselage (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
3. 09:53 AM - Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (Patrick Panzera)
4. 11:12 AM - Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
5. 04:34 PM - Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (Don Emch)
6. 04:50 PM - Re: Piet DVD (HelsperSew@aol.com)
7. 05:12 PM - Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (Gene & Tammy)
8. 06:21 PM - Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (jimd)
9. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (Peter W Johnson)
10. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (AmsafetyC@aol.com)
11. 08:09 PM - glue front seat front support? (Jeff Boatright)
12. 11:14 PM - Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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| Subject: | CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
Hey Gang!
A few weeks ago I put the word out that I'm very interested in publishing an
"All Pietenpol" issue of our magazine. Although a few of you came forward
and offered article ideas, the overall response was underwhelming to say the
least.
I KNOW it's not from a lack of interest, but rather it's probably from one
or more of the following reasons:
1) What the heck is CONTACT! Magazine???
2) My plane isn't nice enough to be in a magazine.
3) My project is incomplete.
4) I'm not using an "alternative engine".
5) I don't know how to write.
6) I'm building a GN-1
7) I'm a lurker and don't even own a Pietenpol.
To answer those concerns I offer the following:
1) COONTACT! Magazine is a bimonthly, independent experimental aviation
magazine, operated as a non-profit, educational resource. There are no ads*
in our magazine, just 100% experimental aviation, the type of stuff you
can't find in the other overly-commercial publications available today.
I just put up on our website (for a limited time) a PDF of an entire issue
of our magazine so you can see an example of it, cover-to-cover. It's an
older issue, one of my favorites, and a very popular issue as it sold out
almost immediately. Back issues if this one are only available as laser
reprints.
To download it go to www.ContactMagaine.com From there, look for the
"current issue" button. Once on the "current issue" page, scroll down to
Issue #79. Look for the "DOWNLOAD NOW" hyperlink. The file is a bit over
five megs.
*We have a classifieds section that's printed on the otherwise wasted "cover
wrap" used to protect the magazine during mailing. It's only available to
subscribers and can not contain commercial ads.
2) Our magazine does not deal exclusively with award-winning projects. We
honor innovation and respect anything built by hand and are just not
interested in projects completed by hired guns and cubic dollars. This
magazine is for experimenters, by experimenters.
3) How many of us would walk into someone's hangar and turn our collective
noses up at an incomplete project? Not me! I love the nuts-and-bolts, seeing
how stuff goes together and learning from the process. Our readers are the
same way. Other magazines find incomplete projects taboo. We feel that if
our readers can learn from a project, incomplete or not, we want to feature
it.
4) CONTACT! Magazine has a reputation of being an "alternative engine"
magazine. Although we feel that it's just not right to spend more money on
an engine than you'd spend on the entire balance of the plane, and as a
result we like to feature new and different engines, mostly auto
conversions, we also feature the balance of experimental aviation. So for
the all-Pietenpol issue, we'll be featuring the plane AND the powerplants,
certified or not, hoping to showcase the spectrum of engines being used,
including again, certified engines.
5) We can certainly help with the writing. Although it makes our lives much
easier when we receive a fully-written article, by no means do we ever
expect to get something we can simply cut-and-paste into the magazine. We
can help across the board; just let me know your concerns.
6) Let me put it this way.... if it's at home in Brodhead, it's welcome in
this issue.
7) Even if you don't have a plane or project, maybe you can let me know of a
plane or project that we might pursue for the magazine.
Ok, I've taken up far too much of your time with this. Hopefully I've
motivated a few of you to help me out. We all know that there's a rich
history with the Pietenpol and for the most part, it's neglected in the
current crop of magazines that are more interested in selling ad space than
they are with exploring all aspects of experimental aviation. So with that,
please consider helping us produce an honorable depiction of the current
state of all things Pietenpol.
Thanks!!!
Patrick Panzera
Editor@ContactMagazine.com
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| Subject: | Steve's Fuselage |
All I know is that Steve's damaged fuselage should go in some museum
somewhere with a plaque that says something about
"This fuselage was flown by Steve E. in 1999 powered by a unassuming 65
hp engine (non-turbo, non-fuel injected, non-anything)
over peaks towering as high as ten thousand feet enroute to Wisconsin in
July of 1999 and the pilot lived to talk about it.
I can't imagine the backbone it must have taken to fly an open cockpit
Pietenpol from Utah to Wisconsin over those rugged
mountains and back again.
I say when finances and time permit---rebuild, resurrect, inspect, and
fly again !
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| Subject: | CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
> To download it go to www.ContactMagaine.com
<http://www.contactmagazine.com/> From there, look for the
> "current issue" button. Once on the "current issue" page, scroll down to
> Issue #79. Look for the "DOWNLOAD NOW" hyperlink. The file is a bit over
> five megs.
It looks like I dropped a z out of the URL.
The proper link is www.ContactMagazine.com <http://www.contactmagazine.com/>
Sorry.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
Hello Pat I think there are a couple of other reasons why you got no
reply from Model A Pietenpol builders. First, the percentage of Piet
builders using the Model A engine is tiny compared to other engines.
Many have started out with a Model A engine, than after problems
switched to a different engine. Second, this list seems to be a
builders list. In the 5 or 6 years (or more, I don't remember exactly)
that I have been here, most of the guys who finish their airplanes leave
the list, so they didn't see your post. I only know of around 4 or 5
builders who have stayed with the list after completion, and none of
them are using the Ford engine. Leon Stefan 9 years into a 2 year Model
A Piet project, ready for cover, but probably will waste 2008's warm
weather building season cleaning up from Decembers 300 year ice storm
instead of covering the Piet. I also blew my covering money buying a
generator so as not to be caught in the cold and dark again. AGAIN LEON
S. IN DEPRESSING KANSAS LONGING FOR THE DAY I CAN SHOUT "ain't life
grand!!! OR AS CHUCK WOULD SAY " yeeeeeeeeee haw!!!.
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| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
Hi Pat,
Sign me up. What kind of information would you like and how would you like it sent? I could write somewhat of a story if you'd like. I could get some pictures to you, but there are several of mine already on Chris Tracy's fantastic site, www.WestCoastPiet.com. Any promotion of the Pietenpol design to others in the aviation world is good!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Mike,
I can't stop laughing as of 5 minutes after reading your post!!! My wife
agrees with the divorce part!! If I don't laugh I will cry!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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| Subject: | Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
For what it's worth.
A while back someone on this list asked about forming windshilds made
from plexiglass. I needed to make a replacement windshild for my Piet
as the windshild it came with was tinted dark and in low light
conditions it was difficult to see towers. The windshild has two bends
in it (flat in front with bends at the sides) and I was told that to
bend either plexiglass or lexan you needed to use an oven at about 250
degrees. Unable to locate an oven big enough, I was forced to try other
ways.
Here's what I found that worked for me.
I decided to use 1/8th Lexan as it won't shatter like plexiglass will.
I was able to make clean cuts with a jigsaw with a 14 tpi blade. I
found my cuts were best when made with a slow speed. To make the bends
I did a lot trial and error. I obtained great results by building a jig
for the windshild, cutting out the windshild, then forming one bend at
a time using a heat gun (the same one I use to preheat my A 65 for cold
weather starting). I found that by keeping the heat gun between 3 & 4
inches above the lexan and moving it back and forth over the area of the
bend at the rate of about 6" every second, it would take about 1.5 to 2
minutes for the lexan to soften enough to bend. If you don't keep the
heat gun moving or you get too close, the lexan will bubble, ruining
your work. In my experimenting I tried both Plexiglass and lexan and
found it works well with both. I was able to make nice bends in Lexan,
up to 1/4" thick. Drilling holes is easy as long as you use a slow
speed. I finished the edges with a file and sandpaper.
I would suggest using scrap pieces and experimenting before trying to
form the "real" piece as it did take a little practice to get it right.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Gene,
I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good template
for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of them have
anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol), anyway quite
a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas is available.
Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short of guessing and
playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates. Surely someone has
a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields on them. Is the one,
or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you have them off can you get
an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions would be better, and something
printable would be awesome. Anyone?
Jim
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Jim,
When I bought my plans from Don Pietenpol a template was included. I used it
and am happy with the results. I could rough some measurements from it if
you like.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Gene,
I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good
template for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of
them have anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol),
anyway quite a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas
is available. Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short
of guessing and playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates.
Surely someone has a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields
on them. Is the one, or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you
have them off can you get an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions
would be better, and something printable would be awesome. Anyone?
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743
2:04 PM
2:04 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
I didn't get one, not that I need it at the moment. I like everyone else building
will need it in the future.
John
That's the long version of me too
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Jim,
When I bought my plans from Don Pietenpol a template was included. I used it
and am happy with the results. I could rough some measurements from it if
you like.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Gene,
I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good
template for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of
them have anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol),
anyway quite a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas
is available. Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short
of guessing and playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates.
Surely someone has a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields
on them. Is the one, or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you
have them off can you get an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions
would be better, and something printable would be awesome. Anyone?
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743
2:04 PM
2:04 PM
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| Subject: | glue front seat front support? |
Dear Pieters,
Is the front support of the front seat supposed to be glued to the
fuselage crossmember that is glued to the floor? Out front seat is
held in by just two bolts at the back of the seat. Unscrew those
bolts and the seat pulls right out. Is that a bug or a feature? ;-)
Thanks for any thoughts or experience,
Jeff
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Gene,
Excellent information. One more thing to add as I work with many different types
of plastic and carbon fiber.....Again try this on scrap piece of material
before the real deal.
Take 500 grit wet and dry sand paper and find some acrylic floor wax. apply the
floor wax to the sand paper and carefully sand the edges around your plastic.
It should round the edges real nice and make a smooth dull colored edge like
on the top of door glass in your automobile. As with carbon fiber, this method
makes the sharp edges disappear!
Just my two cents worth!
Village idiot......
Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net> wrote:
For what it's worth.
A while back someone on this list asked about forming windshilds made from plexiglass.
I needed to make a replacement windshild for my Piet as the windshild
it came with was tinted dark and in low light conditions it was difficult to
see towers. The windshild has two bends in it (flat in front with bends at
the sides) and I was told that to bend either plexiglass or lexan you needed to
use an oven at about 250 degrees. Unable to locate an oven big enough, I was
forced to try other ways.
Here's what I found that worked for me.
I decided to use 1/8th Lexan as it won't shatter like plexiglass will. I was
able to make clean cuts with a jigsaw with a 14 tpi blade. I found my cuts were
best when made with a slow speed. To make the bends I did a lot trial and
error. I obtained great results by building a jig for the windshild, cutting
out the windshild, then forming one bend at a time using a heat gun (the same
one I use to preheat my A 65 for cold weather starting). I found that by keeping
the heat gun between 3 & 4 inches above the lexan and moving it back and
forth over the area of the bend at the rate of about 6" every second, it would
take about 1.5 to 2 minutes for the lexan to soften enough to bend. If you
don't keep the heat gun moving or you get too close, the lexan will bubble, ruining
your work. In my experimenting I tried both Plexiglass and lexan and found
it works well with both. I was able to make nice bends in Lexan, up to 1/4"
thick. Drilling holes is easy as long as you
use a slow speed. I finished the edges with a file and sandpaper.
I would suggest using scrap pieces and experimenting before trying to form the
"real" piece as it did take a little practice to get it right.
Gene
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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