---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/13/08: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: glue front seat front support? (gcardinal) 2. 05:01 AM - Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (Gene & Tammy) 3. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (Gene & Tammy) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (jimd) 5. 09:13 AM - Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news (Steve Eldredge) 6. 09:56 AM - Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news (Dog67@aol.com) 7. 10:07 AM - Re: glue front seat front support? (Don Emch) 8. 10:20 AM - Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue (Michael Groah) 9. 11:27 AM - Re: EAA Piet video (Tom Stinemetze) 10. 11:30 AM - Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 11. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: glue front seat front support? (Jeff Boatright) 12. 12:15 PM - stripping varnish (Jeff Boatright) 13. 12:20 PM - Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news (Andrew M Eldredge) 14. 01:25 PM - Inverted Pietenpol Scout Engine (Michael Fisher) 15. 02:02 PM - glue front seat front support? (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 02:04 PM - Re: glue front seat front support? (Don Emch) 17. 02:05 PM - stripping varnish (Oscar Zuniga) 18. 06:06 PM - Re: stripping varnish (Gene & Tammy) 19. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan (Gene & Tammy) 20. 06:20 PM - Re: stripping varnish (Jeff Boatright) 21. 07:03 PM - Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool (walt evans) 22. 09:03 PM - Rebuild SteveE (Gary Meadows) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:44 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: glue front seat front support? Hi Jeff, The front seat support frame should be glued in. The seat takes a lot of abuse with people crawling in and out. Glueing will result in a much more durable seat structure. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: glue front seat front support? > > Dear Pieters, > > Is the front support of the front seat supposed to be glued to the > fuselage crossmember that is glued to the floor? Out front seat is held in > by just two bolts at the back of the seat. Unscrew those bolts and the > seat pulls right out. Is that a bug or a feature? ;-) > > Thanks for any thoughts or experience, > > Jeff > -- > --- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Editor-in-Chief > Molecular Vision > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:19 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Thanks for that trick! I'll find the wax and give it a try. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Take 500 grit wet and dry sand paper and find some acrylic floor wax. apply the floor wax to the sand paper and carefully sand the edges around your plastic. It should round the edges real nice and make a smooth dull colored edge like on the top of door glass in your automobile. As with carbon fiber, this method makes the sharp edges disappear! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:19 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Jim, I do like the shape of my windshilds with their formed bends. I have seen a lot of the Piet windshilds without the formed bends and they look good also. I can take a photo of mine and pass it on if you would like. If you like the looks I'll send you a template. Gene ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan From: "jimd" Hi, Any good layouts, measurements, etc would be appreciated. Thought of using good sized (larger) band-aids as templates for the fittings, as they have about the right shape and I have them on hand. My plexiglas is the thinner variety that a number of sources recommended as being able to be bent cold without needing any kind of heat treatment. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157807#157807 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:02 AM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 99' and some sad news Darrel, Thanks for the generous offer! I'll let my brother know. I'm sure he is going to rebuild it. Steve E -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 99' and some sad news Graham Hansen wrote: > Steve, > > Oscar is right. Rebuild it and continue to enjoy open cockpit flying! > > Even if you have to build a complete fuselage structure, you won't > have to build all the other stuff that takes so much time. And you can > incorporate little modifications, based on the experience you have > gained, to make an even better Pietenpol. > > Go for it! > > Good luck, > > Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in chilly Alberta) Steve, I have a couple of spare fuselage sides here in Sonoma, CA that you can have as a start if you can find a way to get them up there. We're at least on the same side of the Mississippi. Darrel Jones Pfeifer Sport version, N154JP ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:00 AM PST US From: Dog67@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 99' and some sad news Hey Steve; Sorry to hear about your Piet - if you need a hand here in UT, let me know. Cheers Jon **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: glue front seat front support? From: "Don Emch" Jeff, I went ahead and added a couple of vertical supports at the back of the seat. I saw Duane Tulba come back with a passenger once at Brodhead and the seat bottom had broken away from the seat back. That could create some problems with the rudder bar underneath. Not a bad idea to add a couple of uprights to support the back of the seat bottom just like the front is supported. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157826#157826 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:20 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue just have a project started, but if you need pics of a long fuselage with the Price door mod (and someday a '64 110hp Corvair engine) that's what I have. I've just been working on it for the last two weeks (I've been on Christmas vacation as I'm a high school drafting and automotive teacher), but it's starting to take shape. It's funny to think that just a couple weeks ago this was just some sticks on the garage floor. I had previously done the wing ribs and vert stab but it's just been this break that I've worked on the fuse. I guess it shows how quickly a piet starts to take shape and fool you into thinking you have a lot done. I've attached a couple pics. but if they don't come through then you can look on my photobucket page here : http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x33/dskogrover/Pietenpol%20Project/Pietenpol%20Fuselage/ Michael Groah Tulare CA Hey Gang! A few weeks ago I put the word out that I'm very interested in publishing an "All Pietenpol" issue of our magazine. Although a few of you came forward and offered article ideas, the overall response was underwhelming to say the least. I KNOW it's not from a lack of interest, but rather it's probably from one or more of the following reasons: 1) What the heck is CONTACT! Magazine??? 2) My plane isn't nice enough to be in a magazine. 3) My project is incomplete. 4) I'm not using an "alternative engine". 5) I don't know how to write. 6) I'm building a GN-1 7) I'm a lurker and don't even own a Pietenpol. To answer those concerns I offer the following: 1) COONTACT! Magazine is a bimonthly, independent experimental aviation magazine, operated as a non-profit, educational resource. There are no ads* in our magazine, just 100% experimental aviation, the type of stuff you can't find in the other overly-commercial publications available today. I just put up on our website (for a limited time) a PDF of an entire issue of our magazine so you can see an example of it, cover-to-cover. It's an older issue, one of my favorites, and a very popular issue as it sold out almost immediately. Back issues if this one are only available as laser reprints. To download it go to www.ContactMagaine.com From there, look for the "current issue" button. Once on the "current issue" page, scroll down to Issue #79. Look for the "DOWNLOAD NOW" hyperlink. The file is a bit over five megs. *We have a classifieds section that's printed on the otherwise wasted "cover wrap" used to protect the magazine during mailing. It's only available to subscribers and can not contain commercial ads. 2) Our magazine does not deal exclusively with award-winning projects. We honor innovation and respect anything built by hand and are just not interested in projects completed by hired guns and cubic dollars. This magazine is for experimenters, by experimenters. 3) How many of us would walk into someone's hangar and turn our collective noses up at an incomplete project? Not me! I love the nuts-and-bolts, seeing how stuff goes together and learning from the process. Our readers are the same way. Other magazines find incomplete projects taboo. We feel that if our readers can learn from a project, incomplete or not, we want to feature it. 4) CONTACT! Magazine has a reputation of being an "alternative engine" magazine. Although we feel that it's just not right to spend more money on an engine than you'd spend on the entire balance of the plane, and as a result we like to feature new and different engines, mostly auto conversions, we also feature the balance of experimental aviation. So for the all-Pietenpol issue, we'll be featuring the plane AND the powerplants, certified or not, hoping to showcase the spectrum of engines being used, including again, certified engines. 5) We can certainly help with the writing. Although it makes our lives much easier when we receive a fully-written article, by no means do we ever expect to get something we can simply cut-and-paste into the magazine. We can help across the board; just let me know your concerns. 6) Let me put it this way.... if it's at home in Brodhead, it's welcome in this issue. 7) Even if you don't have a plane or project, maybe you can let me know of a plane or project that we might pursue for the magazine. Ok, I've taken up far too much of your time with this. Hopefully I've motivated a few of you to help me out. We all know that there's a rich history with the Pietenpol and for the most part, it's neglected in the current crop of magazines that are more interested in selling ad space than they are with exploring all aspects of experimental aviation. So with that, please consider helping us produce an honorable depiction of the current state of all things Pietenpol. Thanks!!! Patrick Panzera Editor@ContactMagazine.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:16 AM PST US From: "Tom Stinemetze" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA Piet video Mike: You just teach your eyes to see your wife the way she looks right now. That will save you an awful lot of hassle when you get to be my age. (Lets just say MUCH more than 48.) Anyway, I loved the video - especially the flying shots. That's a lot of motivation in only 8-minutes. Do not archive. ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:35 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Gene, Any acrylic floor wax you can buy over the counter works just fine! This is a trade secret in my profession when building artificial limbs and braces! Ken H Gene & Tammy wrote: Thanks for that trick! I'll find the wax and give it a try. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Take 500 grit wet and dry sand paper and find some acrylic floor wax. apply the floor wax to the sand paper and carefully sand the edges around your plastic. It should round the edges real nice and make a smooth dull colored edge like on the top of door glass in your automobile. As with carbon fiber, this method makes the sharp edges disappear! Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:30 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: glue front seat front support? Don, Thanks much for the information. The original builder of our Piet must've agreed with you as our the seat back has added support. Did you glue the whole thing in, front and back? Ours was constructed such that the back fits sort of like a post-and-beam barn is constructed. The front legs simply rest on the crossmember and the plywood facing simply rests on the floor. It's been OK for 400 hours, but seems a bit flimsy. Thanks, Jeff > >Jeff, > >I went ahead and added a couple of vertical supports at the back of >the seat. I saw Duane Tulba come back with a passenger once at >Brodhead and the seat bottom had broken away from the seat back. >That could create some problems with the rudder bar underneath. Not >a bad idea to add a couple of uprights to support the back of the >seat bottom just like the front is supported. > >Don Emch >NX899DE > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157826#157826 > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:45 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: stripping varnish Pieters, I need to strip some varnish from the plywood on the Piet so that I can epoxy on some repair pieces. I've tried planing, sanding, and using chemical stripper. So far, the stripper seems to work best and the planing the worst. Is there an "acceptable" way to do this? Thanks, Jeff -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:14 PM PST US From: "Andrew M Eldredge" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 99' and some sad news ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:30 PM PST US From: Michael Fisher Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inverted Pietenpol Scout Engine "Ford Escort, the engine donor for my Ford/Scout inverted powerplant project." Mike How is this engine project going? Is the Escort a pushrod engine? I am considering inverting a Ford v6 vulcan. Matt Hi Matt, The 1.9 Escort engine has a single overhead cam. It develops good torque at low RPM, so it can swing a 74 inch Prop with enough pitch to pull a Scout along at about 70 MPH. It is currently on a Scout mount hanging on my shop wall, with an SAE #2 propeller flange mount bolted to its crankshaft, and looking like a potential aircraft engine I might fly behind. Dry sumping is quite tricky, involving a sump pump, separate oil tank, check valves, plumbing, and venting. After buying a Lincoln Precision 185 TIG welder and investing several hundred dollars on argon and other expendable supplies, along with many hours of practice, my aluminum welds are looking better. I'm just now getting to a point where converting the aluminum valve cover and oil pan to a sump and crankcase cover, with extensive welding, seems doable. Pushrod engines might be a bit easier to convert, because the pushrod holes provide drain channels from the crankcase to the valve covers. Good luck on your Vulcan project. What aircraft do you hope to power with it? Happy landings, Mike Fisher Talkeetna, Alaska ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:00 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: glue front seat front support? As Don noted, I was concerned about the lack of support for the aft edge of the front seat so when I rebuilt the one on 41CC, it seemed easy and advis able to add verticals and I did.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrag s@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: glue front seat front support? From: "Don Emch" Hi Jeff, Mine is just like the plans, with the addition of two small uprights to help support the seat frame at the back edge where it is glued to the seat back. I glued the frame of the seat in as a permanent structure then I attached the actual plywood seat to the frame with velcro. I did build the seat frame with dowels to help strengthen it. It is nice to have access to the rudder bar area for inspection and to get the washer, nut, or cotter pin that WILL fall under the seat. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157859#157859 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:39 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: stripping varnish Jeff; in the repair and rebuild of sections of 41CC I had occasion to remov e varnish in many places but none of them very extensively. My experience is therefore limited and I'm certainly no woodworker, but all I did was san d away the varnish before epoxying and I believe all of the new joints came out nice and tight. Varnish is quite thin though, so I'm sure it goes way deeper than sanding w ill remove. Just not sure how detrimental that residue is to an epoxy goin g on over it.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsit e at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:04 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stripping varnish Jeff, A heat gun is a must when removing varnish. With a little practice you will learn to heat the varnish just to the point it becomes "gummy" and it will scrape right off with a scraper. Once the varnish is removed you can use the heat gun to preheat your engine in cold weather. Gene ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:04 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan Jim, I suggest you Google "Fly Baby Windshields". Very interesting. Gene ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:20 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stripping varnish Gene, Thanks for the suggestion. The chemical stripper seems to have worked well, but I'll try the heat gun next! Jeff > >Jeff, >A heat gun is a must when removing varnish. With a little practice >you will learn to heat the varnish just to the point it becomes >"gummy" and it will scrape right off with a scraper. Once the >varnish is removed you can use the heat gun to preheat your engine >in cold weather. >Gene -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:22 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool Now that we'uns in the North East are bracing for a So-Wester. And 10 to 12 inches of snow is expected,,,Been thinking about flying in the spring. Saw Mike Cuy on the EAA flick, and got to thinking. Been getting harder and harder to do the high Kick to get into the Piet. Is there a foldable step stool around that would help in getting in, and could be brought in with a cord to fly with me in the back seat? Thanks walt evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" Ben Franklin ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:05 PM PST US From: Gary Meadows Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rebuild SteveE Hey Steve, It's been a long time and I've only been back on the list for a few weeks, so I saw your heartbreaking post about your Piet. I'm not sure I'd have th e gumption to rebuild after a serious crack-up, heck, I'm having trouble ge tting through the initial build, but I agree with Mr. Cuy (hey Mike!) and e veryone else - I sure hope you do. You have a ton of good reusable parts an d I've heard that the second time through is much easier with all those bui lding smarts you have now. So if it were up for vote, I'd cast my as an AYE in favor of the rebuild! Hey everyone else out there in Piet-list land - it's been awhile, but I'm back and building again and it's fun again. I took a break from aviation fo r a few years there, but I'm back now. I guess I'll go back out and make a ton of obnoxious metal screaming noises and try to finish all those steel p arts that seem so inconsequential when you look over the plans, but yet to painful for me to actually finish! Jack Phillips - I have the picture of your Piet in front of your hangar as my wallpaper on my workstation at work. It's a beautiful plane and a non-s top reminder to keep at it. Mike Cuy - I STILL watch your video (VHS- and heck, you still look as youn g there!!!) on my tv in the bedroom and it's STILL great and I'm STILL marr ied!! What a gal!! Take care everyone and good luck Steve in whatever you choose to do. Gary Meadows Spring, TX _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TA GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.