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1. 04:05 AM - Re: chiselling floor brace (Ryan Michals)
2. 04:16 AM - chiselling floor brace (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
3. 04:26 AM - modified gear fittings--- additional notes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
4. 05:59 AM - Re: chiselling floor brace (Bill Church)
5. 06:13 AM - Spanish engine docs (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 06:28 AM - windscreens (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 06:52 AM - Re: windscreens (Ryan Michals)
8. 06:52 AM - Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight (horzpool@goldengate.net)
9. 07:33 AM - windscreens (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 07:34 AM - Re: chiselling floor brace (Jeff Boatright)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: windscreens (Phillips, Jack)
12. 08:31 AM - Re: chiselling floor brace (Catdesigns)
13. 08:32 AM - finger pull latches mike cuy (Michael Groah)
14. 09:42 AM - Lexan and simple windshields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
15. 09:56 AM - Re: finger pull latches mike cuy (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
16. 10:13 AM - Re: windscreens (Michael Silvius)
17. 10:34 AM - Re: Spanish engine docs (jimd)
18. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: windscreens (Phillips, Jack)
19. 11:42 AM - Re: chiselling floor brace (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
20. 12:05 PM - Re: windscreens (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
21. 12:13 PM - Jack's windshields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
22. 12:14 PM - Re: Lexan and simple windshields (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
23. 12:36 PM - Re: windscreens (jimd)
24. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: windscreens (HelsperSew@aol.com)
25. 05:44 PM - Taylorcraft strut for sale (DJ Vegh)
26. 05:44 PM - Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight (Don Emch)
27. 05:45 PM - 12 gallon Taylocraft nose tank for sale (DJ Vegh)
28. 05:56 PM - Re: windscreens (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
29. 06:17 PM - Re: windscreens (Max Hegler)
30. 07:56 PM - Grega website (Oscar Zuniga)
31. 10:16 PM - Re: Grega website (DJ Vegh)
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| Subject: | Re: chiselling floor brace |
Marc,
Chris had to point this out for me too. I did mine a little different
though. I couldn't find 1" ash (or successfully cut down a baseball bat blank)
and used a 3/4" plank with a 1/4" layer tapered and laminated onto the top
with t-88. I was trying to achieve a true taper to avoid a stress riser, at
the abrupt change in thickness. It has not flown yet, we will have to wait to
see how it holds up.
Ryan Michaels
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| Subject: | chiselling floor brace |
Hello Marc Dumay,
Although many Piets have flown for many hours chiseling in or tapering
those ash cross struts that go across our floorboards I chose to follow
some modified fittings that don't require that ala what Frank Sr. and
Frank Jr. Pavliga did on Sky Gypsy. Although this sketch isn't the
best it shows how I made my fittings to line up for the horizontal drill
holes that go thru the blocks in the fuselage sides. Hope this helps.
(I'll e-mail you the image directly offline since you are on the digest
which doesn't get the attachments)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | modified gear fittings--- additional notes |
PS-- ignore the part where I show the ash block tapered on the
ends-----I didn't do that but lined up my parts atop the white ash
block level with my fittings so that I drilled them in place to match
each other on the same level. I used poster board/ white poster board
from Wal Mart or the local drug store to mock up these pieces before
making them of metal.
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| Subject: | chiselling floor brace |
As I remember, there was a Piet that had a hard landing recently, and
had this tapered piece crack as a result.
Okay, I did a search, and it was Jeff Boatright's plane. Here's a link:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=32502
I think, if the wood doesn't NEED to be tapered, why do it?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Spanish engine docs |
Jim wrote-
>Need to get a 1950's Spanish engine running
>(found a 130meg electronic copy of its manuals) of course
>they are in Spanish, and I don't know it.
Send 'em to me and I'll try to translate them for you. I think we can get it to
an understandable state. I know enough spanish to get by, but if I get in a
tough spot I'll enlist my cousin's help. He lives in Zaragoza, Spain and is
a professional translator both from spanish to english and vice-versa.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I can't imagine windscreens that are any simpler than the ones on 41CC. Curved
plexiglas, no frame, and 5 plain mounting tabs on each. I assume that they
were made by starting out with poster-board templates trimmed till they fit and
looked right, then the outline marked on the plexi and cut out and smoothed.
The ones on Steve Eldredge's and Ernie Moreno's airplanes are a bit lower profile
than mine but I find mine to be about as low as I would like and I hunker
down behind it when it's cold.
The flat-panel ones look more antique-y but the simple curved ones are about as
simple as you're going to find.
I have cut thin acrylic and Lexan using the cutoff wheel (abrasive wheel) in my
Dremel tool. It seems to cut as much by "melting" its way through the material
as it does by mechanical cutting, and next time I try it I'll be outdoors because
it creates quite a mess of little particles everywhere.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I ran into a GN1 with some nice, simple and light weight Lexan 3 panel windshields.
He said he bent them cold in a metal bend. He temporarily used electrical
tape for the edges but aluminum or even paint could be used too. I don't know
how thin they were, but you can get an idea from the pics.
Ryan M
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can't imagine windscreens that are any simpler than the ones on 41CC. Curved
plexiglas, no frame, and 5 plain mounting tabs on each. I assume that they were
made by starting out with poster-board templates trimmed till they fit and looked
right, then the outline marked on the plexi and cut out and smoothed. The
ones on Steve Eldredge's and Ernie Moreno's airplanes are a bit lower profile
than mine but I find mine to be about as low as I would like and I hunker down
behind it when it's cold.
The flat-panel ones look more antique-y but the simple curved ones are about as
simple as you're going to find.
I have cut thin acrylic and Lexan using the cutoff wheel (abrasive wheel) in my
Dremel tool. It seems to cut as much by "melting" its way through the material
as it does by mechanical cutting, and next time I try it I'll be outdoors because
it creates quite a mess of little particles everywhere.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight |
Great going Robert
Hope to see you at Brodhead with it this summer
Dick N.
> hello every one,
> NX294RB now has an airworthiness certificate and a first
> flight.every
> thing went great just a little heavy on the right wing .came back in
> adjusted
> the struts a couple of turns and its gone,the corvair really does
> great.ground run on grass of about 400 feet and it is up and climbing.to
> all you guys
> out there building keep after it ,it took me seven years and four months
> ,but
> was all worth it!
>
> Robert (Randy) Bush
>
> NX294RB
>
> Lexington TN
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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Yes, I've heard that Lexan (polycarbonate sheet) can be bent cold. Aircraft Spruce
carries four thicknesses of it and I believe it would require a 2x4 sheet
to make two windscreens from. The 1/16" stock is way too thin, in my opinion.
That leaves 5/64", 3/32", and 1/8". My windscreens are 1/8" thick plexiglas
and it's fairly stout to bend into shape so one of the lighter thicknesses would
probably work OK. All three of those sheets are about the same price (less
than $30), so it won't kill you financially to experiment and ruin a sheet
if it doesn't work.
I would be a bit wary of using Lexan up front on my airplane because my fuel filler
is just forward of the passenger's windscreen and from what I understand,
Lexan and gas don't play well together.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | chiselling floor brace |
Bill,
The only reason we have been able to come up with for the tape is
that it allows the horizontal bolts to pass through the fuselage
right at the join of the longeron, the veritical intercostal, and the
diagonal intercostal. I have no idea why THAT is a particularly good
idea, but I think that the plans show it that way.
I hope to right more on this, but our solution to all this is to weld
the landing gear/wing strut fittings to a channel piece that will run
across the fuselage on the outside and directly below the ash
crossmember. This is similar to gears designed by Grega or those
(apparently) approved by the British PFA (see the post that Bill
cites below).
Jeff
At 8:56 AM -0500 1/16/08, Bill Church wrote:
>As I remember, there was a Piet that had a hard landing recently,
>and had this tapered piece crack as a result.
>
>Okay, I did a search, and it was Jeff Boatright's plane. Here's a link:
>
><http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=32502>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=32502
>
>I think, if the wood doesn't NEED to be tapered, why do it?
>
>Bill C.
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Lexan can be bent cold, but it will leave a white line where the
material yields at the bend. Painting a fake framework on would be a
good solution - it gives the antique look and covers the white bend are.
As I stated before, making an aluminum frame for the windscreens was the
single most difficult part of the entire project, surpassing making the
straight axle landing gear for aggravation. The end result looks nice,
but you would have to look pretty close at a painted bent Polycarbonate
windscreen to see that it didn't have a frame made of formed aluminum.
If you do the bent faceted windscreen, you will have to use
Polycarbonate which, as Oscar says, is prone to crazing if it comes in
contact with gasoline. You might be able to form plexiglas if you heat
it sufficently but it will be hard to keep the flat portions flat.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Yes, I've heard that Lexan (polycarbonate sheet) can be bent cold.
Aircraft Spruce carries four thicknesses of it and I believe it would
require a 2x4 sheet to make two windscreens from. The 1/16" stock is
way too thin, in my opinion. That leaves 5/64", 3/32", and 1/8". My
windscreens are 1/8" thick plexiglas and it's fairly stout to bend into
shape so one of the lighter thicknesses would probably work OK. All
three of those sheets are about the same price (less than $30), so it
won't kill you financially to experiment and ruin a sheet if it doesn't
work.
I would be a bit wary of using Lexan up front on my airplane because my
fuel filler is just forward of the passenger's windscreen and from what
I understand, Lexan and gas don't play well together.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: chiselling floor brace |
I came to the same conclusion after I had tapered the ends (which I think is confirmed
by Jeff's pictures). The only problem I see with not tapering the ends
would be the bolt holes have to be rather high up the fuselage side to make
sufficient clearance for the bend radius and bolt heads. I ended up not running
the bolts through the longeron, as seen in the drawing posted by Mike, but
rather ran them just above it. I added some filler blocks for them to go through.
(Which reminds me, I better check to see if I remembered to add the blocks).
Because of this, my outer fittings needed to be taller then shown on the
plans making the bolts farther away from the strap for the wing strut. I was
concerned that having the bolts spread out farther the fitting might be more
likely to pull out away from the fuselage. However, with the additional bolts
on the lower strap for the cross brace wire (wood gear) I think this extra length
has been taken care of. One other thing, the clearance between the bolt
heads going through the sides and the ones going through the floor is really close.
I should have given then a little more room.
Chris
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WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | finger pull latches mike cuy |
Mike where did you get those finger pull latches you used on the compartment doors
in your Piet (ie. storage area behind pilot)? They are latches right? Or
are you using just a finger pull with a magnetic catch?
I really like the look of those little guys and would like to find some for my
Piet project.
Thanks..
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| Subject: | Lexan and simple windshields |
I built my windshields from 1/8" Lexan, no Plexiglass. I made up
poster board templates, cut fit, cut, fit, trim, fit, and then laid that
out over the plastic-covered Lexan that I picked up a local window and
glass shop. Plexiglass is cheaper but you'll save in the long run
using Lexan since you won't have to buy so much aspirin or Preparation-H
in the process. I cut mine using a sabre saw and drilled using a
normal drill bit. Only take the plastic protection off when you are
about to do the final install as Lexan scratches easier than Plexiglass.
Tony Bingelis explains all of this wonderfully in his books.
Mike C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Michals
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:49 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
I ran into a GN1 with some nice, simple and light weight Lexan 3
panel windshields. He said he bent them cold in a metal bend. He
temporarily used electrical tape for the edges but aluminum or even
paint could be used too. I don't know how thin they were, but you can
get an idea from the pics.
Ryan M
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can't imagine windscreens that are any simpler than
the ones on 41CC. Curved plexiglas, no frame, and 5 plain mounting tabs
on each. I assume that they were made by starting out with poster-board
templates trimmed till they fit and looked right, then the outline
marked on the plexi and cut out and smoothed. The ones on Steve
Eldredge's and Ernie Moreno's
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| Subject: | finger pull latches mike cuy |
Michael,
I found some round brass finger pulls locally but they closed up shop so
this was the closest I could find in a Google images/web search. I
recall having to buy a special (well I didn't have to buy it) diameter
Forestner (sp) bit to cut the shallow disc into my 1/8" mahogany plywood
doors to recess the latch flush with the wood then bought some simple
magnetic latches to keep the doors closed. Velcro would work too I
suppose.
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/collections/deltana-pulls.php
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Lets see if this works:
Here is how the do the sectioned one in the Fly-Baby
Michael in cold cold Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Spanish engine docs |
Oscar,
That is a very generous offer. I have sent you all but the 130 meg one, as its
too big for hotmail.
Let me know what you think.
Jim
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That's exactly how I did mine - following the Fly Baby plans. I'll try
to attach some pictures to see if you can tell what I did. Pain in the
butt!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: windscreens
Lets see if this works:
Here is how the do the sectioned one in the Fly-Baby
Michael in cold cold Maine
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| Subject: | Re: chiselling floor brace |
Chris,
I was planning on leaving it the same thickness all away across and making my
mounts a bit bigger to line up properly! I have a wide body Pietenpol and wanted
the strength!
Ryan Michals <aircamperace@yahoo.com> wrote:
Marc,
Chris had to point this out for me too. I did mine a little different
though. I couldn't find 1" ash (or successfully cut down a baseball bat blank)
and used a 3/4" plank with a 1/4" layer tapered and laminated onto the top
with t-88. I was trying to achieve a true taper to avoid a stress riser, at
the abrupt change in thickness. It has not flown yet, we will have to wait to
see how it holds up.
Ryan Michaels
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Members of the group:
Here is my offer for those that want a windshield. I have many years working
with plastics along with a friend who makes a variety of plastic displays for
businesses(Magazine holders etc...). Send me a drawing and necessary information
as to what design, bends, radius, length, etc.... and I will produce your windshield
for you at cost of materials. I will create three (3) sample windshields
for anyone to choose from... lets keep it to only a (three) samples of windshields.....
and I'll take care of the rest!
Thoughts?
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I've heard that Lexan (polycarbonate sheet) can be bent cold. Aircraft Spruce
carries four thicknesses of it and I believe it would require a 2x4 sheet
to make two windscreens from. The 1/16" stock is way too thin, in my opinion.
That leaves 5/64", 3/32", and 1/8". My windscreens are 1/8" thick plexiglas and
it's fairly stout to bend into shape so one of the lighter thicknesses would
probably work OK. All three of those sheets are about the same price (less than
$30), so it won't kill you financially to experiment and ruin a sheet if it
doesn't work.
I would be a bit wary of using Lexan up front on my airplane because my fuel filler
is just forward of the passenger's windscreen and from what I understand,
Lexan and gas don't play well together.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Jack's windshields |
Gosh those are beautiful frames you built up Jack and I've seen them in
person---very nice job BUT......you guys sure put some labor
into those compound curves. After building the landing gear leg
geometry I was plumb worn out dealing with compound angles. Had
and easier time reasoning with my first wife.
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| Subject: | Re: Lexan and simple windshields |
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Jack,
Those look great, now I am starting to consider going with faceted windshields..
looks like a lot of work. Still might try the simple one first..
How much time you think you will end up having spent building those?
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: re: windscreens |
Jack,
This is very timely. Exactly the info and pictures I need at precisely the
right time. Beautiful work. Do you have any more pictures of your cockpit
combing that you can share?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Taylorcraft strut for sale |
If anyone needs a front Taylorcraft strut I have one. It failed the Tcraft
AD. The lower 12" of the strut didn't meet the wall thickness spec. Would
be great for a Piet strut since you cut them shorter anyway.
make me an offer if interested.
DJ Vegh
AZ ChopperCam
www.azchoppercam.com
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| Subject: | Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight |
Great job Randy! Congratulations! A feeling unlike any other! Do you have any
pictures of the flight?
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158680#158680
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| Subject: | 12 gallon Taylocraft nose tank for sale |
Needs a new bung welded into the bottom. The one in there now has a crack.
May be a good tank for a GN-1?
$95
DJ
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Ken< I for one am nowhere near ready for that but when I get close I am
definitely interested. Please keep me on the list of willing contacts
John
In a message dated 1/16/2008 3:07:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
Members of the group:
Here is my offer for those that want a windshield. I have many years working
with plastics along with a friend who makes a variety of plastic displays
for businesses(Magazine holders etc...). Send me a drawing and necessary
information as to what design, bends, radius, length, etc.... and I will produce
your windshield for you at cost of materials. I will create three (3) sample
windshields for anyone to choose from... lets keep it to only a (three) samples
of windshields..... and I'll take care of the rest!
Thoughts?
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
Yes, I've heard that Lexan
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Ken,
I would be interested in seeing your three samples...could save me
building time...I'm ready to fly...
Max
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
Members of the group:
Here is my offer for those that want a windshield. I have many years
working with plastics along with a friend who makes a variety of plastic
displays for businesses(Magazine holders etc...). Send me a drawing and
necessary information as to what design, bends, radius, length, etc....
and I will produce your windshield for you at cost of materials. I will
create three (3) sample windshields for anyone to choose from... lets
keep it to only a (three) samples of windshields..... and I'll take care
of the rest!
Thoughts?
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I've heard that Lexan
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I notice that the Grega website, http://www.gregagn-1.com/ , has 'copyright 2008' down at the bottom of the page but none of the links except the photo gallery works. So somebody has updated the page, anyway.
I hope they work out the problem, whatever it is, and get the Grega plans back
into availability. Not that I don't support the Pietenpol family, but the GN-1
plans are pretty darn good.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Grega website |
at first I suspected there was a snippet of javascript on the page that
automatically changed the year, but after viewing the source code of the
pages it looks as though it is manually coded which means someone has to
have changed it.
I think Bob stopped sales due to fears of liablity issues. If that's true I
think it's ridiculous. I offered to buy the rights to his plans but he
refused.
Oh well... if he doesn't want a legacy for his father that's his own fault.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grega website
>
>
> I notice that the Grega website, http://www.gregagn-1.com/ , has
> 'copyright 2008' down at the bottom of the page but none of the links
> except the photo gallery works. So somebody has updated the page, anyway.
>
> I hope they work out the problem, whatever it is, and get the Grega plans
> back into availability. Not that I don't support the Pietenpol family,
> but the GN-1 plans are pretty darn good.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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