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1. 05:36 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08 (tbyh@aol.com)
2. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08 (Scott Schreiber)
3. 08:23 AM - Keep the crap off here guys (Eric Williams)
4. 08:49 AM - Usage of the list (Ryan Mueller)
5. 10:27 AM - Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil (ALAN LYSCARS)
6. 10:49 AM - Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil (Phillips, Jack)
7. 11:16 AM - Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 11:40 AM - Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil (Bill Church)
9. 12:07 PM - determining Vne (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 12:19 PM - Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil (Don Emch)
11. 12:22 PM - Re: determining Vne (Phillips, Jack)
12. 01:42 PM - GN-1 Spar Thickness (ALAN LYSCARS)
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08 |
This is why off-topic items need to be kept off of here -- because then we get
comments like "dumb savages in New Orleans and their rhyming reverends."? Mr.
Schreiber ought to apologize for that comment and refrain from making similar
bigoted, ignorant remarks. Comments like this are unacceptable, period! I never
would have thought that somebody associated with the American space program,
or the?Pietenpol airplane,?could utter such truly astounding remarks.
F. Beseler
La Crosse, WI
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1. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emch (Chet's
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2. 09:16 AM - Re: disturbing video (Scott Schreiber)
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From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emch
Brent,
Thanks for the replay I live in Holts Summit, and keep NX920Y at the
Jeff airport. Things are a little busy right now but I will be in touch
soon.
Chet Hartley 896-5405 or cell 573 - 645 - 0534.
----- Original Message -----
From: BScott116@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol
Issue/Don Emch
Jefferson City area. 12 miles north Brent Scott-573 999 4120
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From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b@subarubrat.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disturbing video
It is distrubing to think that anyone might actually buy into that
nonsense, as a scientist in the space program I can assure you we did in
fact go to the moon. The dumb savages in New Orleans and their rhyming
reverends might not understand that water always flows to the lowest
point.
Scott
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disturbing video
Don't forget Katrina and the allegations that center around of the
Army corps of engineers were responsible because the corps dynamited the
levy in the ward along with other low lying low income areas of New
Orleans along with all the other communities.
The there is always the Kennedy assignations as a fall back position I
am sure if you looked you could find plenty of conspiracy theories that
dispel the popular beliefs about national events.
Sorry Gang!
Some of the conspiracy theory really gets my shorts twisted
Do not Archive
John Recine
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08 |
Shooting at rescue workers, looting big screens, and then blaming the
CIA for blowing up the dam are truly astounding and really did happen.
The rhyming reverends really did go on TV and play up the wild fantasies
that only a moron would believe while hard working people risked life
and limb. Just like claiming that we never went to the moon, great men
did great things and morons pick it apart. And don't even get me started
on the scumbags that have turned 9-11 into a circus. Being disgusted by
such behavior is not bigoted, ignorant, unnaceptable, or astounding.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: tbyh@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08
This is why off-topic items need to be kept off of here -- because
then we get comments like "dumb savages in New Orleans and their rhyming
reverends." Mr. Schreiber ought to apologize for that comment and
refrain from making similar bigoted, ignorant remarks. Comments like
this are unacceptable, period! I never would have thought that somebody
associated with the American space program, or the Pietenpol airplane,
could utter such truly astounding remarks.
F. Beseler
La Crosse, WI
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To: Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 1:56 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08
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1. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emch
(Chet's
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2. 09:16 AM - Re: disturbing video (Scott Schreiber)
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From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don
Emch
Brent,
Thanks for the replay I live in Holts Summit, and keep NX920Y at the
Jeff airport. Things are a little busy right now but I will be in touch
soon.
Chet Hartley 896-5405 or cell 573 - 645 - 0534.
----- Original Message -----
From: BScott116@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol
Issue/Don Emch
Jefferson City area. 12 miles north Brent Scott-573 999 4120
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Time: 09:16:35 AM PST US
From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b@subarubrat.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disturbing video
It is distrubing to think that anyone might actually buy into that
nonsense, as a scientist in the space program I can assure you we did in
fact go to the moon. The dumb savages in New Orleans and their rhyming
reverends might not understand that water always flows to the lowest
point.
Scott
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disturbing video
Don't forget Katrina and the allegations that center around of the
Army corps of engineers were responsible because the corps dynamited the
levy in the ward along with other low lying low income areas of New
Orleans along with all the other communities.
The there is always the Kennedy assignations as a fall back position I
am sure if you looked you could find plenty of conspiracy theories that
dispel the popular beliefs about national events.
Sorry Gang!
Some of the conspiracy theory really gets my shorts twisted
Do not Archive
John Recine
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Subject: | Keep the crap off here guys |
Like my title says...
Go elsewhere for stupid political discussions. We will never change each o
ther's minds on that topic so let's stick to something we can all agree on.
.. airplanes. That's the point of this list.
Just don't even start these threads. Nothing good ever comes of it.
Eric
From: got22b@subarubrat.comTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie
tenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08Date: Mon, 21 Jan
2008 10:27:36 -0500
Shooting at rescue workers, looting big screens, and then blaming the CIA f
or blowing up the dam are truly astounding and really did happen. The rhymi
ng reverends really did go on TV and play up the wild fantasies that only a
moron would believe while hard working people risked life and limb. Just l
ike claiming that we never went to the moon, great men did great things and
morons pick it apart. And don't even get me started on the scumbags that h
ave turned 9-11 into a circus. Being disgusted by such behavior is not bigo
ted, ignorant, unnaceptable, or astounding.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: tbyh@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08
This is why off-topic items need to be kept off of here -- because then we
get comments like "dumb savages in New Orleans and their rhyming reverends.
" Mr. Schreiber ought to apologize for that comment and refrain from makin
g similar bigoted, ignorant remarks. Comments like this are unacceptable, p
eriod! I never would have thought that somebody associated with the America
n space program, or the Pietenpol airplane, could utter such truly astoundi
ng remarks. F. BeselerLa Crosse, WI -----Original Message-----From: Pietenp
ol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>To: Pietenpol-List Dige
st List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 1:56 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/20/08
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1. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emch (Ch
et's
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2. 09:16 AM - Re: disturbing video (Scott Schreiber)
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From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emc
h
Brent,
Thanks for the replay I live in Holts Summit, and keep NX920Y at the
Jeff airport. Things are a little busy right now but I will be in touch
soon.
Chet Hartley 896-5405 or cell 573 - 645 - 0534.
----- Original Message -----
From: BScott116@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol
Issue/Don Emch
Jefferson City area. 12 miles north Brent Scott-573 999 4120
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Time: 09:16:35 AM PST US
From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b@subarubrat.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disturbing video
It is distrubing to think that anyone might actually buy into that
nonsense, as a scientist in the space program I can assure you we did in
fact go to the moon. The dumb savages in New Orleans and their rhyming
reverends might not understand that water always flows to the lowest
point.
Scott
Do not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: disturbing video
Don't forget Katrina and the allegations that center around of the
Army corps of engineers were responsible because the corps dynamited the
levy in the ward along with other low lying low income areas of New
Orleans along with all the other communities.
The there is always the Kennedy assignations as a fall back position I
am sure if you looked you could find plenty of conspiracy theories that
dispel the popular beliefs about national events.
Sorry Gang!
Some of the conspiracy theory really gets my shorts twisted
Do not Archive
John Recine
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Subject: | Usage of the list |
Some of us need to refresh our memories about the Usage Guidelines of the mailing
list:
http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/Pietenpol-List.FAQ
Scroll to the bottom and read carefully. Take this crap elsewhere and sort it out
off-list.
Ryan
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Scott Schreiber <got22b@subarubrat.com> wrote: Shooting at rescue workers,
looting big screens, and then blaming the CIA for blowing up the dam are truly
astounding and really did happen. The rhyming reverends really did go on
TV and play up the wild fantasies that only a moron would believe while hard
working people risked life and limb. Just like claiming that we never went to
the moon, great men did great things and morons pick it apart. And don't even
get me started on the scumbags that have turned 9-11 into a circus. Being disgusted
by such behavior is not bigoted, ignorant, unnaceptable, or astounding.
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Subject: | Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Gents:
I am ready to build the Riblett Airfoil for my GN-1. I've purchased the
full-size drawing from Roman.
The Riblett rib is set up for a 3/4" spar. Pete Bowers, in his Fly Baby
drawings, recommends a 1 inch spar for the Fly Baby when powering the
ship with 100 hp or greater.
Question: Since I'll be rigging a WW Corvair on my GN-1, should I
increase the spar thickness in my Riblett/GN-1 to 1 inch? Will I die
before my time by staying with a 3/4" spar? No aerobatics intended, but
bumpy weather here in New England.
Thanks for your input,
Al in NH
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Subject: | Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Pitts Specials and Citabrias both have a =BE" spar, as does my Pietenpol.
As long as you don't get too enthusiastic with the Whifferdills you should
be fine. I wouldn't bump the redline airspeed up much over 100 mph, though.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil
Gents:
I am ready to build the Riblett Airfoil for my GN-1. I've purchased the fu
ll-size drawing from Roman.
The Riblett rib is set up for a 3/4" spar. Pete Bowers, in his Fly Baby dr
awings, recommends a 1 inch spar for the Fly Baby when powering the ship wi
th 100 hp or greater.
Question: Since I'll be rigging a WW Corvair on my GN-1, should I increase
the spar thickness in my Riblett/GN-1 to 1 inch? Will I die before my tim
e by staying with a 3/4" spar? No aerobatics intended, but bumpy weather h
ere in New England.
Thanks for your input,
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Subject: | Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Alan;
The spar strength, dimensions, and materials are selected by the designer based
on the wing span, chord, weight of the aircraft, and design G-loading. If you're
not changing the location of the spars relative to the leading edge, not
changing the wing chord, not changing any of the other factors- if a 3/4" thick
spar was OK with the Pietenpol airfoil I would think it would be OK with another
foil.
Sure, there are other factors that play into the selection such as pitching moment
(twist) and other effects that change when the airfoil is changed, but none
that would affect the spar thickness OTHER THAN THE SPAR DEPTH, which is of
course a very big consideration. I thought that the Riblett was a thicker airfoil
than the Piet, in which case the spars are deeper... even more reason why
the 3/4" should be acceptable if they were OK on the Pietenpol airfoil.
Disclaimer: I'm not an aerodynamicist, a structural engineer, or an aero engineer!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Alan,
>From the information I have on the Riblett airfoil, the profile will
allow a taller spar (from memory, I think it's about 3/4" taller for the
front spar).
A basic comparison of the section modulus (used to determine the
strength of beams) of various spar cross-sections shows the following:
standard 3/4" x 4 3/4" spar - Section Modulus = 2.82
taller 3/4" x 5 1/2" spar - Section Modulus = 3.78
wider 1" x 4 3/4" spar - Section Modulus = 3.76
from this we can see that a 3/4" x 5 1/2" spar will have approximately
the same strength (in bending) as a 1" x 4 3/4", and approximately 1/3
more strength than a standard 3/4" x 4 3/4" spar.
The extra height of the taller spar will add about 16% to the weight of
the spar.
NOTE: this ONLY applies to vertical loading, and is presented for
reference only. There are many other factors that come into play in wing
loads.
Bill C.
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I believe that one of the methods of determining Vne is that it is set at 9
0% of dive speed, Vd, and that Vd is required to be 1.4 times design cruise
speed for certification in the normal category.
Let's take an example... my airplane. I think I redlined my airspeed indic
ator at 95MPH (based on somebody else's info), which would mean it should h
ave been designed for Vd of 105MPH but I have no idea if it was. It also m
eans that cruise speed should be about 75MPH and that's pretty close to whe
re I cruise, if a little high. But here's better information: the Pietenpo
l family website shows the original Piet "high speed" as 90MPH. That would
hint at a designer's approved Vd of 100MPH and a cruise of 71MPH, which so
unds more like reality for this airplane.
I have heard that in order to flight-test to determine Vne, you'd have to f
ly at Vd for three minutes with no damage or flutter, then redline your Vne
at 90% of the tested Vd. I'm not sure I'd want to hold 41CC at 105MPH for
three minutes, or that it even could do that without me climbing waaayyy o
n up there to get enough altitude for the dive. It would really be coming
down at that speed.
Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://w
ww.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Alan,
I'll just add my 2 cents worth, even though we all know how little 2 cents is
worth nowadays. When Pietenpol designed his wing, he designed it based on trial
and error. Probably lots of error. He built it with a 1" thick spar routed
to an I beam. Later on he had trouble finding suitable 1" x 4 3/4" boards.
So he opted to laminate smaller pieces into a 3/4" x 4 3/4" non-routed spar.
He felt, as many do, that a properly laminated spar is somewhat stronger than
one of the same size but solid. As far as I can tell in researching, he did
not use solid 3/4" spars. I could be wrong though. I believe the 3/4" spars
we see in the 3-piece wing plans were of the built up laminated type. I know
there are lots of ships out there with solid 3/4" spars and as far as I know,
none have fallen out of the sky, so I guess my point might very well not mean
much of anything. I just thought I'd share what I've come across in my Pietenpol
experiences.
As a side note Frank Pavliga is recovering Sky Gypsy and should be done with
it in the Spring. He bought Lowell Frank's Lambert engine to power it. He flew
Mr. Frank's airplane just before he bought the engine off of it and told me
that the performance was very good. He also said he could tell the wing was
different ( has a Riblett airfoil). He mentioned it felt very pitch sensitive.
And that's coming from a pilot with 1400 hours in his own Piet. Just a thought
to those thinking about changing the airfoil. But of course I'm very biased
about the Pietenpol design!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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I've never had my Pietenpol faster than about 90, and it was really "not
happy" at that speed, and let me know it.
As usual, Bernard knew what he was doing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: determining Vne
I believe that one of the methods of determining Vne is that it is set
at 90% of dive speed, Vd, and that Vd is required to be 1.4 times design
cruise speed for certification in the normal category.
Let's take an example... my airplane. I think I redlined my airspeed
indicator at 95MPH (based on somebody else's info), which would mean it
should have been designed for Vd of 105MPH but I have no idea if it was.
It also means that cruise speed should be about 75MPH and that's pretty
close to where I cruise, if a little high. But here's better
information: the Pietenpol family website shows the original Piet "high
speed" as 90MPH. That would hint at a designer's approved Vd of 100MPH
and a cruise of 71MPH, which sounds more like reality for this airplane.
I have heard that in order to flight-test to determine Vne, you'd have
to fly at Vd for three minutes with no damage or flutter, then redline
your Vne at 90% of the tested Vd. I'm not sure I'd want to hold 41CC at
105MPH for three minutes, or that it even could do that without me
climbing waaayyy on up there to get enough altitude for the dive. It
would really be coming down at that speed.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | GN-1 Spar Thickness |
Thanks, Fellows, for all your comment,
I'll be staying with 3/4" spars on the Riblett airfoil (with a 100 hp
Vair strapped out front).
I don't think you'll be seeing me at Reno any time soon!
Warm Regards to all,
Al
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