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1. 04:53 AM - Elvis (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
2. 05:41 AM - Piet Project for Sale (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
4. 06:56 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Rick Holland)
6. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil (Tim Willis)
7. 08:47 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
8. 08:48 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Tim Willis)
10. 09:19 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
11. 09:46 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
12. 09:47 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (John Hofmann)
13. 09:47 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Gene & Tammy)
14. 10:38 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Skip Gadd)
15. 10:58 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
16. 11:04 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Jeff Boatright)
17. 11:24 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Ryan Mueller)
18. 11:52 AM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
19. 05:55 PM - Re: SpaceShipTwo (Tom Stinemetze)
20. 06:57 PM - Re: Piet Project for Sale (Dick Navratil)
21. 07:14 PM - Re: SpaceShipTwo (AmsafetyC@aol.com)
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And Elvis is still alive somewhere......
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| Subject: | Piet Project for Sale |
Guys,
Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. Piet Project
for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not covered. Have
engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920) 894-1991 or
cell (920) 946-9771.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will ask
anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work only.
I am semi handy with tools.
Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed to
building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a good way
to go in order to save time and $$$?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Guys,
>
> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> Piet Project
> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> covered. Have
> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> 894-1991 or
> cell (920) 946-9771.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve,
Don't underestimate the power of the project, you may soon find that the
process of the build is, in and of itself a journey of challenges and
satisfactions. Before you know it you're hooked on the build and the nuances of
personal preferences that peak your curiosity and creativity.
Just lovin the project one day at time
John
In a message dated 1/22/2008 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will
ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
only. I am semi handy with tools.
Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed
to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a
good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Guys,
>
> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> Piet Project
> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> covered. Have
> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> 894-1991 or
> cell (920) 946-9771.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the building part
of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to fly first
while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly less
money than it would cost to build one anyhow.
Rick
On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I
> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
>
> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>
> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project
> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>
> Steve Dortch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew@aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> > Piet Project
> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> > covered. Have
> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> > 894-1991 or
> > cell (920) 946-9771.
> >
> > Dan Helsper
> > Poplar Grove, IL.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> > shape.
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> >
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Please educate me...
1. By "pitch sensitive" is it meant that the elevator controls are more effective
(less input required for same change in aircraft pitch), or something else?
2. In any event, is "more pitch sensitive" a bad thing?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
>Sent: Jan 21, 2008 2:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil
>
>
>Alan,
>
> I'll just add my 2 cents worth, even though we all know how little 2 cents
is worth nowadays. When Pietenpol designed his wing, he designed it based on
trial and error. Probably lots of error. He built it with a 1" thick spar routed
to an I beam. Later on he had trouble finding suitable 1" x 4 3/4" boards.
So he opted to laminate smaller pieces into a 3/4" x 4 3/4" non-routed spar.
He felt, as many do, that a properly laminated spar is somewhat stronger than
one of the same size but solid. As far as I can tell in researching, he did
not use solid 3/4" spars. I could be wrong though. I believe the 3/4" spars
we see in the 3-piece wing plans were of the built up laminated type. I know
there are lots of ships out there with solid 3/4" spars and as far as I know,
none have fallen out of the sky, so I guess my point might very well not mean
much of anything. I just thought I'd share what I've come across in my Pietenpol
experiences.
>
> As a side note Frank Pavliga is recovering Sky Gypsy and should be done with
it in the Spring. He bought Lowell Frank's Lambert engine to power it. He
flew Mr. Frank's airplane just before he bought the engine off of it and told
me that the performance was very good. He also said he could tell the wing was
different ( has a Riblett airfoil). He mentioned it felt very pitch sensitive.
And that's coming from a pilot with 1400 hours in his own Piet. Just a thought
to those thinking about changing the airfoil. But of course I'm very biased
about the Pietenpol design!
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159623#159623
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
John, I understand and love projects. Love to figure out things and make them work
(not that good at it but I still love it.) However, as I peer into the hazy
crystal ball of my future. I don't see a lot of free time. Perhaps a Piet when
I am retired but that is a long ways off.
I have been around enough building/restoration projects to know that 90% complete
usually means 50% to go.
Blue skies, Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Steve,
>
> Don't underestimate the power of the project, you may soon find
> that the
> process of the build is, in and of itself a journey of challenges
> and
> satisfactions. Before you know it you're hooked on the build and
> the nuances of
> personal preferences that peak your curiosity and creativity.
>
> Just lovin the project one day at time
>
> John
>
>
> In a message dated 1/22/2008 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil writes:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG
> FORSCOM"
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this.
> But I will
> ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)
> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
> Weekend work
> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>
> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not
> flat opposed
> to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished
> project be a
> good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>
> Steve Dortch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew@aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> > Piet Project
> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>
> > covered. Have
> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh.
> (920)
> > 894-1991 or
> > cell (920) 946-9771.
> >
> > Dan Helsper
> > Poplar Grove, IL.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> > shape.
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
OK, What would be the general price range? I am just window shopping and not shopping
to buy at this point.
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the
> building part
> of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to
> fly first
> while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly
> lessmoney than it would cost to build one anyhow.
>
> Rick
>
> On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> NG FORSCOM"
> > <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
> >
> > I realize that there are many variables in any project like
> this. But I
> > will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)>
> > How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
> Weekend work
> > only. I am semi handy with tools.
> >
> > Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> > opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly
> finished project
> > be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
> >
> > Steve Dortch
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: HelsperSew@aol.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> > > Piet Project
> > > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> > > covered. Have
> > > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> > > 894-1991 or
> > > cell (920) 946-9771.
> > >
> > > Dan Helsper
> > > Poplar Grove, IL.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> > > shape.
> > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> ObjectAge Ltd.
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve,
You ask about how much time to finish. You need to know more about whether the
steel fittings, pulleys and controls have been fabricated, if on LG, does it
have instruments, etc. A lot of fabrication has obviously been done for you already,
in any event. If you find out the project's exact status, others can
give you better estimates of time to finish.
Rick raises the question of time vs. value. It seems to me that finished Piets
with low-time engines go for $15K plus or minus a bit. The $4K for this project
is little more than the materials at current AS&S prices.
You may sub out the engine work, unless you know a lot about it already. By doing
the rest of the non-engine work yourself, as opposed to buying a completed
Piet, you will likely have a better understanding and appreciation of the finished
project.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 22, 2008 10:23 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
>If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the building part
>of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to fly first
>while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly less
>money than it would cost to build one anyhow.
>
>Rick
>
>On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
>steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>>
>> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I
>> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
>>
>> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
>> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>>
>> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
>> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project
>> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>>
>> Steve Dortch
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: HelsperSew@aol.com
>> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>> > Guys,
>> >
>> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
>> > Piet Project
>> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>> > covered. Have
>> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
>> > 894-1991 or
>> > cell (920) 946-9771.
>> >
>> > Dan Helsper
>> > Poplar Grove, IL.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
>> > shape.
>> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Rick Holland
>ObjectAge Ltd.
>Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
If I Finished out a project, would that make me the builder and therefore able
to do the annuals? Just a thot regarding future costs.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
> Steve,
>
> You ask about how much time to finish. You need to know more
> about whether the steel fittings, pulleys and controls have been
> fabricated, if on LG, does it have instruments, etc. A lot of
> fabrication has obviously been done for you already, in any event.
> If you find out the project's exact status, others can give you
> better estimates of time to finish.
>
> Rick raises the question of time vs. value. It seems to me that
> finished Piets with low-time engines go for $15K plus or minus a
> bit. The $4K for this project is little more than the materials
> at current AS&S prices.
>
> You may sub out the engine work, unless you know a lot about it
> already. By doing the rest of the non-engine work yourself, as
> opposed to buying a completed Piet, you will likely have a better
> understanding and appreciation of the finished project.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> >Sent: Jan 22, 2008 10:23 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> >
> >If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the
> building part
> >of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1)
> to fly first
> >while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for
> possibly less
> >money than it would cost to build one anyhow.
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
> >steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
> >
> NG FORSCOM"
> >> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
> >>
> >> I realize that there are many variables in any project like
> this. But I
> >> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)>>
> >> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
> Weekend work
> >> only. I am semi handy with tools.
> >>
> >> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> >> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly
> finished project
> >> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
> >>
> >> Steve Dortch
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: HelsperSew@aol.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> > Guys,
> >> >
> >> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> >> > Piet Project
> >> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> >> > covered. Have
> >> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> >> > 894-1991 or
> >> > cell (920) 946-9771.
> >> >
> >> > Dan Helsper
> >> > Poplar Grove, IL.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> >> > shape.
> >> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >Rick Holland
> >ObjectAge Ltd.
> >Castle Rock, Colorado
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
One more mention, if size of your frame is a factor.....building is the only way
your are going to find a perfect fit.
AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: Steve,
Don't underestimate the power of the project, you may soon find that the process
of the build is, in and of itself a journey of challenges and satisfactions.
Before you know it you're hooked on the build and the nuances of personal preferences
that peak your curiosity and creativity.
Just lovin the project one day at time
John
In a message dated 1/22/2008 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil
writes:
I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will ask
anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work only.
I am semi handy with tools.
Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed to
building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a good way
to go in order to save time and $$$?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Guys,
>
> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> Piet Project
> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> covered. Have
> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> 894-1991 or
> cell (920) 946-9771.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve,
That would be a big "Probably." You need to satisfy the requirement
that you are the major builder of the project and then you may be
granted your repairman certificate which will allow you to perform the
annual condition inspection. Although, with a homebuilt, this can be
performed by an A&P instead of an IA. I have done quite a few
homebuilts over the years as an A&P.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 22, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
> FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> If I Finished out a project, would that make me the builder and
> therefore able to do the annuals? Just a thot regarding future costs.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:11
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>> Steve,
>>
>> You ask about how much time to finish. You need to know more
>> about whether the steel fittings, pulleys and controls have been
>> fabricated, if on LG, does it have instruments, etc. A lot of
>> fabrication has obviously been done for you already, in any event.
>> If you find out the project's exact status, others can give you
>> better estimates of time to finish.
>>
>> Rick raises the question of time vs. value. It seems to me that
>> finished Piets with low-time engines go for $15K plus or minus a
>> bit. The $4K for this project is little more than the materials
>> at current AS&S prices.
>>
>> You may sub out the engine work, unless you know a lot about it
>> already. By doing the rest of the non-engine work yourself, as
>> opposed to buying a completed Piet, you will likely have a better
>> understanding and appreciation of the finished project.
>>
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Jan 22, 2008 10:23 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>>>
>>> If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the
>> building part
>>> of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1)
>> to fly first
>>> while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for
>> possibly less
>>> money than it would cost to build one anyhow.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
>>> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
>>>
>> NG FORSCOM"
>>>> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>>>>
>>>> I realize that there are many variables in any project like
>> this. But I
>>>> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
>> Infantryman.)>>
>>>> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
>> Weekend work
>>>> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>>>>
>>>> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
>>>> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly
>> finished project
>>>> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>>>>
>>>> Steve Dortch
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: HelsperSew@aol.com
>>>> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>>
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
>>>>> Piet Project
>>>>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>>>>> covered. Have
>>>>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
>>>>> 894-1991 or
>>>>> cell (920) 946-9771.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan Helsper
>>>>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
>>>>> shape.
>>>>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
>> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Holland
>>> ObjectAge Ltd.
>>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To buy and
fly or build and fly"
I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of experimentals.
I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already built and
love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to the head
that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is because the
hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can account for
the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle of the
night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack both time
and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.
You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet and
little by little start building your own. That way you have the best of
both worlds.....Flying and Building.
Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?
Gene in rainy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I
> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)
>
> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>
> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished
> project be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>
> Steve Dortch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew@aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
>> Piet Project
>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>> covered. Have
>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
>> 894-1991 or
>> cell (920) 946-9771.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
>> shape.
>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>>
>
>
> --
> 9:39 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve,
You can get a used Piet or GN-! for 10K to 15K, allot of plane for the money. You
are buying a wooden airplane so in addition the the regular stuff you have
to worry about look real close at the wood and glue joints. Also in my opinion
a homebuilt is worth more if it has 200 hours than if it has 5 hours.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: 1/22/2008 11:32:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the building part of
it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to fly first while
you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly less money than
it would cost to build one anyhow.
Rick
On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
wrote:
I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will ask
anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work only.
I am semi handy with tools.
Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed to
building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a good way
to go in order to save time and $$$?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Guys,
>
> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> Piet Project
> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> covered. Have
> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> 894-1991 or
> cell (920) 946-9771.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Gene, regarding the hit on the head, Avoid a repeat head injury, Drink lots of
water and start eating lots of butter. That is the latest wisdom on Traumatic
Brain Injury. Based on Army and NFL experiences.
Regarding the strange side effects of wanting to build a Piet. Try building the
balsa model and see if that gives relief.
Good thot.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
> Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To
> buy and
> fly or build and fly"
> I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of
> experimentals.
> I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already
> built and
> love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to
> the head
> that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is
> because the
> hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can
> account for
> the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle
> of the
> night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack
> both time
> and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.
> You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet
> and
> little by little start building your own. That way you have the
> best of
> both worlds.....Flying and Building.
> Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?
> Gene in rainy Tennessee
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
>
> NG FORSCOM"
> > <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
> >
> > I realize that there are many variables in any project like
> this. But I
> > will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> > Infantryman.)
> >
> > How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
> Weekend work
> > only. I am semi handy with tools.
> >
> > Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not
> flat
> > opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly
> finished
> > project be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
> >
> > Steve Dortch
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: HelsperSew@aol.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> >> Piet Project
> >> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> >> covered. Have
> >> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> >> 894-1991 or
> >> cell (920) 946-9771.
> >>
> >> Dan Helsper
> >> Poplar Grove, IL.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> >> shape.
> >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 9:39 AM
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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It may vary by region, but our local FSDO signs in the person who
wrote his or her name on the paperwork. I have never heard of any of
our local homebuilders being asked whether they were the major
builder of the project. This may be an excellent question for Joe
Norris at EAA (jnorris@eaa.org). I've found him to be rapid and
thorough.
HTH
Jeff
>
>Steve,
>
>That would be a big "Probably." You need to satisfy the requirement
>that you are the major builder of the project and then you may be
>granted your repairman certificate which will allow you to perform
>the annual condition inspection. Although, with a homebuilt, this
>can be performed by an A&P instead of an IA. I have done quite a few
>homebuilts over the years as an A&P.
>
>-john-
>
>
>John Hofmann
>Vice-President, Information Technology
>The Rees Group, Inc.
>2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
>Madison, WI 53718
>Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
>Fax: 608.443.2474
>Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
>On Jan 22, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
>
>>FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>>
>>If I Finished out a project, would that make me the builder and
>>therefore able to do the annuals? Just a thot regarding future
>>costs.
>>
>>Steve
>>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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The standard USMC treatment for mild traumatic injuries of any sort is as follows:
1. Drink more water. Whatever is wrong can be fixed by drinking more water. If
increased hydration does not fix the problem....you did not drink enough water.
2. Motrin. If you cut yourself, break your arm. have your leg blown off...."MORE
MOTRIN!". Personally, I categorize Motrin as a placebo.
If you need something beyond that...well....I guess you should not have signed
up to be a grunt.
(Disclaimer: this information has been gleaned from personal experience)
do not archive
Ryan
Gene, regarding the hit on the head, Avoid a repeat head injury, Drink lots of
water and start eating lots of butter. That is the latest wisdom on Traumatic
Brain Injury. Based on Army and NFL experiences.
Regarding the strange side effects of wanting to build a Piet. Try building the
balsa model and see if that gives relief.
Good thot.
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Gene,
I am sorry to hear of your affliction, as a builder I can certainly
appreciate your dilemma. Having never suffered any type of head trauma I am unable
to
relate to that aspect. I can however tell you, that I share your
preoccupation to building a Piet, to the degree that it works well to keep my
mind on my
business. There is nothing like going down the turnpike on the mindless
commute and thinking about the build and the next step in the process, or in the
middle of the night to the exclusion of most all other thoughts. Loving the
build, learning a bunch,challenged with new elements as each assembly is
addressed and longing for the day to fly my bird.
I can think of many addictions and afflictions, however I can think of none
more demanding and worthy of my time, energy, dedication or life's ambitions
than to build and fly my Piet.
At times I think its worse and even more powerful than the infamous BB gun
fever so to all the builders I have met and those that I have yet to meet,
Keep on gluing!
John Recine
In a message dated 1/22/2008 12:49:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
zharvey@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To buy and
fly or build and fly"
I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of experimentals.
I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already built and
love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to the head
that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is because the
hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can account for
the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle of the
night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack both time
and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.
You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet and
little by little start building your own. That way you have the best of
both worlds.....Flying and Building.
Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?
Gene in rainy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I
> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)
>
> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>
> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished
> project be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>
> Steve Dortch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew@aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
>> Piet Project
>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>> covered. Have
>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
>> 894-1991 or
>> cell (920) 946-9771.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
>> shape.
>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>>
>
>
> --
> 9:39 AM
>
>
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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| Subject: | Re: SpaceShipTwo |
I got an e-mail from my son Matthew this morning stating that he was
being sent to New York City to participate in a major announcement
tomorrow. (i.e. Wednesday, January 23) As you may know, my son is the
Scaled Composites project manager on the SpaceShipTwo project. He had
told me over the Christmas holiday that Virgin Galactic was planning
some kind of unveiling sometime in January. I suspect that this is it.
Anyway, watch for the news announcement on the major news networks.
As an aside, he also just happened to mention that Mike Melville (first
civilian astronaut) flew the first flight on his (Matt's) newly restored
Long EZ yesterday. MAN, that gets me dreaming of being able to do the
same on a finished Pietenpol. Maybe another couple of years.... It
also makes me wonder how such a smart elecky kid (trashed my snow blower
making an RC dragster) could have landed such a dream job right out of
college.
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
____ | ____
\8/
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Gene
If you buy the plans, then you can lay awake picturing ways of assembling
landing gear and the possible solutions to all kinds of things not detailed
in the plans. You can also wake up in the middle of the night with clever
solutions to a new and better way of doing things. You will also try to
remember what they were in the morning.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To buy and
> fly or build and fly"
> I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of experimentals.
> I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already built
> and love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to the
> head that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is
> because the hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I
> can account for the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the
> middle of the night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I
> lack both time and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over
> this.
> You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet and
> little by little start building your own. That way you have the best of
> both worlds.....Flying and Building.
> Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?
> Gene in rainy Tennessee
>
>
>
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Too cool for words
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze@cox.net>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SpaceShipTwo
I got an e-mail from my son Matthew this morning stating that he was being sent
to New York City to participate in a major announcement tomorrow. (i.e. Wednesday,
January 23) As you may know, my son is the Scaled Composites project manager
on the SpaceShipTwo project. Hehad told me over the Christmas holiday that
Virgin Galactic was planning some kind of unveiling sometime in January. I suspect
that this is it. Anyway, watch for the news announcement on the major news
networks.
As an aside, he also just happened to mention that Mike Melville (first civilian
astronaut) flew the first flight on his (Matt's) newly restored Long EZ yesterday.
MAN, that gets me dreaming of being able to do the same on a finished Pietenpol.
Maybe another couple of years.... It also makes me wonder how such a
smart elecky kid (trashed my snow blower making an RC dragster) could have landed
such a dream job right out of college.
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
____ |____
\8/
/ \
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