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1. 06:54 AM - Seat belts? (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 01:43 PM - Plywood (Richard Schreiber)
3. 02:03 PM - Re: Plywood (Brian Kraut)
4. 02:08 PM - Re: Plywood (walt evans)
5. 02:15 PM - Re: Plywood (Richard Schreiber)
6. 02:23 PM - Re: Plywood (Richard Schreiber)
7. 03:18 PM - Re: Plywood (Brian Kraut)
8. 05:47 PM - Re: This week's radio show (Jeff Boatright)
9. 06:07 PM - Re: This week's radio show (Brian Kraut)
10. 08:10 PM - Re: Seat belts? (jimd)
11. 08:16 PM - Re: Plywood (jimd)
12. 08:48 PM - Re: windscreens (jimd)
13. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Plywood (Brian Kraut)
14. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: Plywood (Richard Schreiber)
15. 09:46 PM - Oversize piet or Fairchild 22 (Steve Eldredge)
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JimD wrote-
>the human body will stretch the belt 3 inches.
If any belt in 41CC stretches 3 inches, I don't want to be in it!!! And if I am
in it, I don't think I'll have much of an opinion about it afterwards...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I just wanted to let everyone know that Boulter Plywood still has 1/16" (1.5 mm)
exterior marine Okoume plywood on special for $23 for a 4x8 foot sheet. Since
I was going to use this to cover my leading edges, I was hoping to have it
slit to 12" and rolled to cut down on the freight. Boulter said that it won't
roll very well, so I asked how much to ship it flat and uncut. It was only $24
to ship from their yard in Somerville, MA to me here in NW Indiana by UPS.
I have a source for Okoume and Finnish birch over in South Bend, In, but the local
source would be more than what Boulter is charging including the shipping!
I ordered a sheet, but at that price, probably should have ordered more.
Richard Schreiber
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How did you get UPS to ship a flat 4' X 8' sheet?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 4:40 PM
To: pietenpol-list
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
I just wanted to let everyone know that Boulter Plywood still has 1/16"
(1.5 mm) exterior marine Okoume plywood on special for $23 for a 4x8 foot
sheet. Since I was going to use this to cover my leading edges, I was hoping
to have it slit to 12" and rolled to cut down on the freight. Boulter said
that it won't roll very well, so I asked how much to ship it flat and uncut.
It was only $24 to ship from their yard in Somerville, MA to me here in NW
Indiana by UPS.
I have a source for Okoume and Finnish birch over in South Bend, In, but
the local source would be more than what Boulter is charging including the
shipping! I ordered a sheet, but at that price, probably should have ordered
more.
Richard Schreiber
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Richard,
Just a thought,
If they cut it and lay it flat in a 12" X 8' package. UPS will ship it
(I think)
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
I just wanted to let everyone know that Boulter Plywood still has
1/16" (1.5 mm) exterior marine Okoume plywood on special for $23 for a
4x8 foot sheet. Since I was going to use this to cover my leading edges,
I was hoping to have it slit to 12" and rolled to cut down on the
freight. Boulter said that it won't roll very well, so I asked how much
to ship it flat and uncut. It was only $24 to ship from their yard in
Somerville, MA to me here in NW Indiana by UPS.
I have a source for Okoume and Finnish birch over in South Bend, In,
but the local source would be more than what Boulter is charging
including the shipping! I ordered a sheet, but at that price, probably
should have ordered more.
Richard Schreiber
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I called Boulter customer service and according to them the uncut 4x8 it doesn't
have to go by freight line. They will crate it and ship it flat by UPS for $24.
I was suprized too. As soon as the order arrives I'll let eveyone know if
it came in OK.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut
Sent: 1/28/2008 4:06:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
How did you get UPS to ship a flat 4' X 8' sheet?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
I just wanted to let everyone know that Boulter Plywood still has 1/16" (1.5 mm)
exterior marine Okoume plywood on special for $23 for a 4x8 foot sheet. Since
I was going to use this to cover my leading edges, I was hoping to have it
slit to 12" and rolled to cut down on the freight. Boulter said that it won't
roll very well, so I asked how much to ship it flat and uncut. It was only $24
to ship from their yard in Somerville, MA to me here in NW Indiana by UPS.
I have a source for Okoume and Finnish birch over in South Bend, In, but the local
source would be more than what Boulter is charging including the shipping!
I ordered a sheet, but at that price, probably should have ordered more.
Richard Schreiber
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Walt,
That maybe what they are going to do. Either way will be fine for my needs
Rick Schreiber
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From: walt evans
Sent: 1/28/2008 4:11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Richard,
Just a thought,
If they cut it and lay it flat in a 12" X 8' package. UPS will ship it (I think)
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
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UPS published max is 165" in length plus girth and max 108" long.
Theoretically in a box an inch thick it would only be 145" and O.K.
Aircraft Spruce says that the max size for sheet metal by UPS is 2' X 4' so
I would like to know if they actually get it through.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:20 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Walt,
That maybe what they are going to do. Either way will be fine for my needs
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 1/28/2008 4:11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Richard,
Just a thought,
If they cut it and lay it flat in a 12" X 8' package. UPS will ship it
(I think)
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
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| Subject: | Re: This week's radio show |
Thanks for the heads-up. I really enjoyed the downloads. Please do
keep working on the iPod "subscribe" feature, 'cause I'll fore sure
subscribe. A really fun show and glad you're doing it.
At 9:45 PM -0500 1/25/08, Brian Kraut wrote:
>We should have a very good radio show this week at
>www.flighttimeradio.com. We have a good friend of ours on who is a
>banner tow company owner, instructor specializing in tailwheel
>training, and and master CFI. He is always entertaining and should
>be a lot of fun. We also have our retired air traffic controller
>from our first show helping to guest host and we will have a DAR
>giving us the latest news on LSA conversions. This show will be to
>hours again this week and starts at 9:00 AM eastern time.
>
>We will also have some free giveaways for callers starting this week.
>
>We have had about 2,000 new web site hits since AOPA gave us a story
>in their EPilot email so we should have a bunch of listeners and
>people calling in this week.
>
>Brian Kraut
>
>www.flighttimeradio.com
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | This week's radio show |
Re: Pietenpol-List: This week's radio showThanks. The podcast feature is up
and running now.
Brian Kraut
www.flighttimeradio.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: This week's radio show
Thanks for the heads-up. I really enjoyed the downloads. Please do keep
working on the iPod "subscribe" feature, 'cause I'll fore sure subscribe. A
really fun show and glad you're doing it.
At 9:45 PM -0500 1/25/08, Brian Kraut wrote:
We should have a very good radio show this week at
www.flighttimeradio.com. We have a good friend of ours on who is a banner
tow company owner, instructor specializing in tailwheel training, and and
master CFI. He is always entertaining and should be a lot of fun. We also
have our retired air traffic controller from our first show helping to guest
host and we will have a DAR giving us the latest news on LSA conversions.
This show will be to hours again this week and starts at 9:00 AM eastern
time.
We will also have some free giveaways for callers starting this week.
We have had about 2,000 new web site hits since AOPA gave us a story in
their EPilot email so we should have a bunch of listeners and people calling
in this week.
Brian Kraut
www.flighttimeradio.com
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Hi,
Did more reading about it, and found a Canadian helicopter wreck death that was
blamed on seat belt failure. What they said was it tested out to only 600 lbs
breaking force instead of the 1500 minimum it should have, and they said the
new ones were more like 2400lbs. They apparently have inspections of seat belts
every year and compare the color to new to see how much they have faded, and
suggest replacement if they have faded by some amount (have some kind of color
chart).
Anyway its probably a non-issue for most of the belts as they rarely are called
upon to save your life fortunately, and if a plane is in a hangar all the time
it probably won't have a lot of UV related degradation of the fabric.
Am curious how people are anchoring the front seat's shoulder belts (assuming you
have shoulder belts), I currently don't have anything in place yet. Saw on
the westcoastpiet site a few odd attachments to flying wires, would like something
other than that. Seems like you want the belts attached really well, however
you would also want to be sure that in a wreck, anything that moved (like
the wing, attached to those wires) couldn't transfer the force to your belted
body. Think that was what the PFA rules about attaching the belts focused on.
Another question.. saw that the two styles of 5pt harnesses being used for sprint
cars were camlock and aircraft style. They said that everywhere but the US
the camlock was widely used, but in the US the aircraft style was still popular,
however it was much harder to put on. Which I believe as I have been up in
a Great Lakes that had that type (with a parachute and everything, we even did
an outside loop.. rest of ride was fun, that loop wasn't.) Anyway it was hard
to get all the parts in the right spot at the right time on the aircraft style
one, they said the camlock one let you kind of put each one in one at a time,
so it was much easier to do. Anyone using the camlock type? Planned on getting
the aircraft style till I thought about it a bit.
Anyway, the point that was made about not using a seatbelt being the biggest problem
is probably true. Can't remember flying with anyone that wouldn't or didn't
use a belt, but I am sure they are out there. My wife told me she wanted me
to put a bubble canopy on the plane as she not only wanted a belt, but a roof.
Jim
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Let us know how the shipping works out.
I bought some .040 3003 aluminum locally to use for my leading edge wrap. (Its
heavier than I wanted, but was 50 a sheet for 12'x4ft..). I bought a sheet of
8x4ft for 40 just to have it for other stuff, like maybe my cowling bumps, the
mounting brackets for the windshield, that sort of thing.
Think wood probably would work better. Only reason for going aluminum was that
my top wing was already wrapped with it and didn't want to pay a lot of shipping.
Jim
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Never did find a good template, so I ended up making one myself. Took some stiff
cardboard, curved it about the way I thought it should be, taped it so the curve
would stay in it. (big rectangle just the middle bowing out) and then held
it in place over the fuselage at about the right angle for a windshield.
Used a compass held vertically to trace the profile of the fuselage on to the cardboard,
then cut the profile out and made a few adjustments to get the cardboard
to fit well. Then transfered the shape of the bottom of the windshield up
to the top and cut it off so it was basically windshield shaped with straight
edges.
That looked too big and ugly, so I took about a three inch angle cut off each edge
(started at very edge on bottom, but by top it was three inches narrower.
That helped a bit. Did it a second time and it looked much better. Then dropped
down a bit from the top edge and used the compass to get a round edge.. that
looked pretty good.
Once the template looked okay, the cutting commenced. Thought it would take a lot
of tries, so I had enough plexiglass to cut about 6 windshields out. Read that
a Rotozip tool works great to cut plexiglass. Mom gave me one last year, never
had used it, tried it and have to agree, it really is good for cutting plexiglass.
Traced the outline of my template, cut off a manageable chunk from the
4x8 sheet of plexiglass, put it on a padded table with support up pretty close
to the cutting line and cut it. It was kind of wavy at first, but managed
to get the hang of it pretty good and allowed enough space outside the line to
allow for grinding it to size. When I do the second one I am going to find some
kind of guide to follow to get a straight line, it would save a lot of filing.
Anyway it came out pretty good, clamped the rough cut piece in to my workmate
and used a file to get it to what I think will be its final shape. Its quite
a bit stiffer than I thought, so either its going to have to have strong brackets
bending it or I may have to heat it and put a bend in it somehow.
Was fun to make, still not done yet. Not sure its a good idea to put the windshield
on all the way and leave it with so much else to do, may fit it remove it
and store it till closer to the final assembly time.
Jim
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I would stay away from the 3003 for mounting brackets except for purely
cosmetic items. 3003 is very weak compared with the other alloys. Probably
real good for cowling bumps and other stuff that needs to be formed.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
Let us know how the shipping works out.
I bought some .040 3003 aluminum locally to use for my leading edge wrap.
(Its heavier than I wanted, but was 50 a sheet for 12'x4ft..). I bought a
sheet of 8x4ft for 40 just to have it for other stuff, like maybe my cowling
bumps, the mounting brackets for the windshield, that sort of thing.
Think wood probably would work better. Only reason for going aluminum was
that my top wing was already wrapped with it and didn't want to pay a lot of
shipping.
Jim
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Jim,
I was going to use aluminum roof flashing for my leading edge wrap
originally to save money, as I could get it locally for about 10 or 15
dollars for a 10" wide roll. Then I started thinking about hanger rash,
bird strikes, overly enthusiastic crowds at air shows and then decided to
go with the plywood for more sturdiness. I checked prices at Aircraft
Spruce and choked, then saw that Wickes was even higher. I then found a
supplier about 50 miles away, but they wanted over $50 for a 50x50 sheet of
1/16" Finnish Birch plywood. That's not enough to do the leading edge with
one sheet, so I would have to buy two. $50 delivered from Boulter sounded
like the best way to go.
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: jimd <jlducey@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/28/2008 10:20:08 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood
>
>
> Let us know how the shipping works out.
>
> I bought some .040 3003 aluminum locally to use for my leading edge wrap.
(Its heavier than I wanted, but was 50 a sheet for 12'x4ft..). I bought a
sheet of 8x4ft for 40 just to have it for other stuff, like maybe my
cowling bumps, the mounting brackets for the windshield, that sort of thing.
>
> Think wood probably would work better. Only reason for going aluminum was
that my top wing was already wrapped with it and didn't want to pay a lot
of shipping.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161003#161003
>
>
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| Subject: | Oversize piet or Fairchild 22 |
I'm dreaming of another piet... this one is going to be a bit oversize. I
'm just wondering what the piet group would think about a few things.
First off if you're a purist, this isn't going to sit well, my only excuse
is that I have built and flown one to the plans (mostly)
So hear goes...
Imagine a Piet with 2' more wing, 1' more fuse 3" wider. Wings and LG moun
ted slightly aft of plans, deeper fuselage so your not sticking out so far.
Now imagine a LOM inverted engine with a sleek longish cowl.
I looked around at other parasol designs and there is the Baking Duce, and
the Fairchild 22. What is cooking up in my mind is something like a F-22 w
ith the pietenpol tail....
Just wondering what you might think of it...
Steve E
Low and Slow Since 1929
Pietenpol Aircamper
steve@byu.edu<mailto:steve@byu.edu>
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