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1. 05:55 AM - Re: translating from Spanish (jimd)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: Oversize piet (jimd)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: translating from Spanish (Michael Silvius)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: Butt rib covering (Jack T. Textor)
5. 08:21 AM - For Sale - Off Subject (Barry Davis)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Oversize piet (Owen Davies)
7. 09:45 AM - Re: 1933 Fuselage, no grease required (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
8. 09:49 AM - Florida trip ()
9. 10:26 AM - Better name for "big" piet (Steve Glass)
10. 10:27 AM - Re: Butt rib covering (Steve Eldredge)
11. 10:46 AM - Re: Better name for "big" piet (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
12. 11:16 AM - Re: Better name for "big" piet (hvandervoo@aol.com)
13. 11:19 AM - Re: Better name for "big" piet (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 11:35 AM - Re: Better name for "big" piet (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 11:36 AM - Re: Better name for "big" piet (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
16. 11:37 AM - Re: Better name for "big" piet (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
17. 12:19 PM - Re: Plywood (jimd)
18. 01:12 PM - Re: Butt rib covering (Scott Schreiber)
19. 02:16 PM - Possible engine alternative (Owen Davies)
20. 02:23 PM - Re: Possible engine alternative (jimisown@aol.com)
21. 03:55 PM - Re: Possible engine alternative (Owen Davies)
22. 04:36 PM - Re: Possible engine alternative (Ken Chambers)
23. 05:42 PM - Plywood (Richard Schreiber)
24. 05:43 PM - Re: Possible engine alternative (gcardinal)
25. 06:29 PM - Re: Possible engine alternative (Owen Davies)
26. 06:29 PM - Re: Possible engine alternative (amsafetyc@aol.com)
27. 06:36 PM - Re: Possible engine alternative (Owen Davies)
28. 07:27 PM - Re: Sport Aviation Magazine (Dick Navratil)
29. 09:50 PM - Re: Better name for "big" piet (Clif Dawson)
30. 11:01 PM - Names for Pietenpol (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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| Subject: | Re: translating from Spanish |
Oscar,
I am patient, and appreciate anything you do, as you certainly are doing me a favor.
The magneto's are interesting to me if for no other reason than their size,
they look almost like dual starters sitting on top of the engine. One is complete,
one is missing a bolt like thing on the propeller side with a wire feeding
in to it. If I knew what that was called I might be able to find one, though
i think I will end up having to fabricate one.
Those automatic translation programs are funny, I played with them a bit. Have
a voice typing program that you can talk into a microphone and the program converts
your words to text.. if you watch it you stop every few seconds, its a hoot
to talk for about 10 minutes before looking, as then there will be crazy stuff
written out. Lot of fun, but slower than typing normally for me.
Thanks Oscar,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Oversize piet |
Have to admit a Tailwind or Buttercup is very appealing. Heard one of the Tailwinds
was able to run 170 on 85hp. Thats pretty good for a 1950's design. Saw that
someone made a retractable gear one, and wondered what it would take to make
one with a cantilever aluminum wet wing, with a Corvair engine, would make
a pretty cool cross county plane... course it would be smarter to leave it as
designed, as that is a proven design.
Think the highly touted Corvair crank failures would make me think twice about
using one for anything aerobatic, certainly wouldn't do it with a prop extension.
Probably like the GPU engines, if it wasn't designed to handle forces from
propellers, it may work but you wouldn't want to push it to any kind of extreme
limit, which is what aerobatics can easily do. Wonder if anyone has built one
for that purpose, put in inverted fuel/oil, etc?
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: translating from Spanish |
Oscar:
If you need help with the translation let me know I can help.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Yes, and I started with the magneto manual (probably the one that
interests Jim the least!) and it isn't too difficult. It's a labor of love
as well as a way to keep Dr. Alzheimer at bay. They say that keeping one's
mind challenged and engaged helps stave off "senility". My Dad, all but one
of my uncles and aunts, and various other of my family members have all
slipped into Alzheimer's clutches. I can't keep him away forever, but it
sure is fun keeping my mind and body engaged in fun stuff like airplanes,
engines, and trying to fly! Jim, if you have the patience to wait for me to
translate the documents, I'm sure having fun keeping Alzheimer outside my
hangar doing it.
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| Subject: | Butt rib covering |
Steve,
Not sure I can visualize what you are describing. I too used the
1/16x2" cap around the perimeter of the rib. I assume you secured the
end rib to the spare and it still pulled loose from the spar?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
I used 2" strip of ply attached the ribs all the way around, but it
wasn't enough. After a few hours the sucker puckered. Both wings right
at the spars. I discovered that the pull of the fabric was enough to
move the ribs outward toward the tips at the spars. I fixed it by
installing spar caps =BC" high and 2" long on top and bottom of the
spars and pulled things tight again with a couple of C-clamps. It
required removing the wings and lots of figgiting to get it fixed.
At that point cutting it off at the edge of the ply was no problem. If
I had wrapped it, I would have had a heck of a time fixing the pucker.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Butt rib covering
I am covering the wings right now and part of the stitts manual doesn't
seem to really apply to the Piet 3 piece wing. The pictures and text
refer to the butt rib as a mostly solid rib where ours are an open
lattice without much to anchor fabric to and allot of areas of fabric to
be cut away around spars and cable runs. Did those of you who have
covered your planes cut it off flush with the end of the 1/16 ply on top
of the rib or did you carry it all the way across the rib as in the
stitts manual? I have about a foot hanging over now so I can go either
way.
-Scott
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| Subject: | For Sale - Off Subject |
My tailwheel instructor's father built most of an Acrosport before he
passed. (Quality workmanship)This is for sale.
If anyone is interested, I have pics. Please contact me off the Piet
Group or call Tim Rowley directly at 770-301-1573
Thanks Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Oversize piet |
jimd wrote:
> Have to admit a Tailwind or Buttercup is very appealing. Heard one of the Tailwinds
was able to run 170 on 85hp. Thats pretty good for a 1950's design.
Or any other decade. Mr. Wittman knew more about squeezing mph out of
hp, not to mention $, than just about anyone else who has ever designed
a plane.
> Saw that someone made a retractable gear one, and wondered what it would take
to make one with a cantilever aluminum wet wing, with a Corvair engine, would
make a pretty cool cross county plane... course it would be smarter to leave
it as designed, as that is a proven design.
>
I suspect Mr. Wittman would have hated the idea of adding the weight of
retractable gear to his design, and it probably would not add much to
the efficiency of his steel spring gear. Not a lot of drag there. (See
comment above!)
Someone did make an aluminum wing for the Tailwind, and plans were
available, last I heard. Someone on the Tailwind list ought to know
where to find him, and he used to run a classified in the back of Sport
Aviation--maybe ten years ago?--if that doesn't work out. The struts
were still used; it's probably lighter than a cantilever wing. At the
time, most Tailwind enthusiasts seemed to figure that the original wing
was a known quantity, so why mess with it? Also, it seemed like most
people just preferred working with wood.
> Think the highly touted Corvair crank failures would make me think twice about
using one for anything aerobatic ... Wonder if anyone has built one for that
purpose, put in inverted fuel/oil, etc?
Not that I've heard. Even with a nitrided crank, it's a bit underbuilt
for that kind of force, and most people who have looked into the Corvair
probably realize it.
Of course, perhaps one could add a belt speed reducer (even 1:1) between
the crank and the prop to take up the forces the crank wouldn't like. Of
course, it also would add weight.
Owen
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| Subject: | 1933 Fuselage, no grease required |
Thank you, Jim & guys.
That photo was taken by a local Stinson 108 pilot and all round nice guy
Brian Orians back last August when they had a little doing for this guy,
super nice guy, Don Helmick
who has owned and lived at Valley City Airport since the early 1960's.
That is Don by his Cub on snow
skis from a year or two ago.
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We had a fantastic trip down to Daytona Florida.We went to Palatka and
Elden Jackson was really a great guy to come back to the airstrip that
day to show me around their hangers and planes.The only thing I regret
was that I didn't get a picture of Elden and I standing beside their
Piet.I would like to thank Elden for his hospitality and time.I have
included a few pictures of their aircraft in the hanger.If I ever get
down that way again and the offer is still on the table,I will take that
plane ride and spend more time for a few brews.Many thanks to the
wonderful people at Palatka airstrip.Thanks for making our trip extra
special!
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| Subject: | Better name for "big" piet |
Hi
Instead of oversize Piet, we need a better name to describe the full cut p
ietenpol.
I will suggest a few maybe somebody else has a term that would be better th
an OVERSIZE.
How about
- Piet Plus
- Piet plus 2
- Piet plus 3 etc etc
- Supersize Piet
- Jumbo Piet
Anybody else have a suggestion?
Steve in Maine
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| Subject: | Butt rib covering |
Aye.
That is what happened. I glued and nailed it, but after a while it all poi
nts of contact between the root-end ribs on both wing panels began a march
toward the wingtip. The movement resulted in the 1/16 x 2 inch strip to d
evelop quite a wave at the spar. Very unsightly. I fixed it by adding mor
e glue surface area behind the rib/spar intersection and pulled it tight wh
ile the glue set. Fine since.
Stevee
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T. Textor
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Butt rib covering
Steve,
Not sure I can visualize what you are describing. I too used the 1/16x2" c
ap around the perimeter of the rib. I assume you secured the end rib to th
e spare and it still pulled loose from the spar?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
I used 2" strip of ply attached the ribs all the way around, but it wasn't
enough. After a few hours the sucker puckered. Both wings right at the sp
ars. I discovered that the pull of the fabric was enough to move the ribs
outward toward the tips at the spars. I fixed it by installing spar caps
=BC" high and 2" long on top and bottom of the spars and pulled things tigh
t again with a couple of C-clamps. It required removing the wings and lots
of figgiting to get it fixed.
At that point cutting it off at the edge of the ply was no problem. If I h
ad wrapped it, I would have had a heck of a time fixing the pucker.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Butt rib covering
I am covering the wings right now and part of the stitts manual doesn't see
m to really apply to the Piet 3 piece wing. The pictures and text refer to
the butt rib as a mostly solid rib where ours are an open lattice without m
uch to anchor fabric to and allot of areas of fabric to be cut away around
spars and cable runs. Did those of you who have covered your planes cut it
off flush with the end of the 1/16 ply on top of the rib or did you carry i
t all the way across the rib as in the stitts manual? I have about a foot h
anging over now so I can go either way.
-Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Better name for "big" piet |
"WideBody" Piet
Steve Glass <redsglass@hotmail.com> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px
} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi
Instead of oversize Piet, we need a better name to describe the full cut pietenpol.
I will suggest a few maybe somebody else has a term that would be better than OVERSIZE.
How about
- Piet Plus
- Piet plus 2
- Piet plus 3 etc etc
- Supersize Piet
- Jumbo Piet
Anybody else have a suggestion?
Steve in Maine
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Better name for "big" piet |
- Air Camper XL
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Glass <redsglass@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:50 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Better name for "big" piet
Hi
Instead of oversize Piet,? we need a better name to describe the full cut pietenpol.
I will suggest a few maybe somebody else has a term that would be better than OVERSIZE.
How about
-?? Piet Plus
-?? Piet plus 2
-?? Piet plus 3 etc etc
-?? Supersize Piet
-?? Jumbo Piet
Anybody else have a suggestion?
Steve in Maine
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Better name for "big" piet |
How bout something we olders dream about " Bigger Pieters "
Nathan
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| Subject: | Re: Better name for "big" piet |
Monster piete
Piet a Palooza
Pieten Bilt
Piet a dactyle
Colossal Piet
Wide flyer
Perfect Piet
Pure Piet
Piet a tude
Nothing butt Piet
Neat Piet
Sweet Piet
Piet power
Pietenpol Air camper 1
wide Piet King of sky
to name a few
John
In a message dated 1/31/2008 1:27:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
redsglass@hotmail.com writes:
Hi
Instead of oversize Piet, we need a better name to describe the full cut
pietenpol.
I will suggest a few maybe somebody else has a term that would be better
than OVERSIZE.
How about
- Piet Plus
- Piet plus 2
- Piet plus 3 etc etc
- Supersize Piet
- Jumbo Piet
Anybody else have a suggestion?
Steve in Maine
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(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: Better name for "big" piet |
you are the man!
In a message dated 1/31/2008 2:20:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
How bout something we olders dream about " Bigger Pieters "
Nathan
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| Subject: | Re: Better name for "big" piet |
Wide flyers never die, the just get bigger pieters built
the borrowed theme of an old truckers saying
John
In a message dated 1/31/2008 2:20:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
How bout something we olders dream about " Bigger Pieters "
Nathan
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About the .040, I had a couple reasons to use it. First it was available reasonably
priced. Second, my upper wing is .024, while .016 was called for and it is
a bit too flimsy, but should be out of way (except maybe for birds..) so .040
seemed stiffer.
The only benefit to it would be I think it would be less likely to dent then .024
or .016.
However think the nicest looking leading edges have been wood, with wood the coefficient
of expansion is close to the rest of the wood in the wing, so it can
all be glued together to make a solid unit. So I will look for wood for the lower
wing.
Not going to redo the upper though, so the question is, what is the best way to
deal with the nails? Saw in the old glider manual a suggestion to put solder
on them (course they were talking the old acid core, and were also looking at
recovering their planes every couple years.) Cloth tape will cover it, but sounds
like nails work there way up. Anyone tried epoxy or anything like that (maybe
soaking the cloth tape?) Will ask folks at the Stewart Sytems class this weekend.
Appreciate the common sense, sometimes I deviate from it a wee bit.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Butt rib covering |
Oh, so you saying the rib itself bowed in not the fabric pulled away
from the 2x 1/16 rib cap. I have the braces per plan and it is glued
full length of the uprights so I can't imagine that happening. My
concern was the end of the wing being open or the fabric covering it. I
went ahead and covered it but with the openings for the spars and cable
it dosen't seem like it would do much if the 2 inch strips didn't hold.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Butt rib covering
Aye.
That is what happened. I glued and nailed it, but after a while it
all points of contact between the root-end ribs on both wing panels
began a march toward the wingtip. The movement resulted in the 1/16 x
2 inch strip to develop quite a wave at the spar. Very unsightly. I
fixed it by adding more glue surface area behind the rib/spar
intersection and pulled it tight while the glue set. Fine since.
Stevee
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T.
Textor
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:02 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Butt rib covering
Steve,
Not sure I can visualize what you are describing. I too used the
1/16x2" cap around the perimeter of the rib. I assume you secured the
end rib to the spare and it still pulled loose from the spar?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
I used 2" strip of ply attached the ribs all the way around, but it
wasn't enough. After a few hours the sucker puckered. Both wings right
at the spars. I discovered that the pull of the fabric was enough to
move the ribs outward toward the tips at the spars. I fixed it by
installing spar caps =BC" high and 2" long on top and bottom of the
spars and pulled things tight again with a couple of C-clamps. It
required removing the wings and lots of figgiting to get it fixed.
At that point cutting it off at the edge of the ply was no problem.
If I had wrapped it, I would have had a heck of a time fixing the
pucker.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:46 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Butt rib covering
I am covering the wings right now and part of the stitts manual
doesn't seem to really apply to the Piet 3 piece wing. The pictures and
text refer to the butt rib as a mostly solid rib where ours are an open
lattice without much to anchor fabric to and allot of areas of fabric to
be cut away around spars and cable runs. Did those of you who have
covered your planes cut it off flush with the end of the 1/16 ply on top
of the rib or did you carry it all the way across the rib as in the
stitts manual? I have about a foot hanging over now so I can go either
way.
-Scott
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| Subject: | Possible engine alternative |
Bob Hoover (the other Bob Hoover, at
http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.com/) mentioned the following in his
entry for 11/16/06:
"This may come as a surprise but there are modern industrial engines
that weigh less than the Model A and produce more torque at an even
lower rpm. GM makes a nice one. $1600 brand new in the crate from the
factory. It cranks out an honest 65 hp @ 1800 rpm, giving you more than
twice the thrust of the Model A. The engine, which has been in
production since about 1965, is also available used and overhauled, in
both long and short block versions. Just be sure you get it with the
Industrial Engine cam instead of the Marine Engine cam. The marine
version runs at a much higher rpm. Ford makes a similar engine although
I'm not familiar with its specs."
I've looked for it and can't find it, so it may have been discontinued.
I'll drop him a note one of these days and ask where to find that
engine. But first I'm wondering whether anyone has ever seen such an
animal on the nose of a Piet. Anyone?
I wonder what it would cost from a good reman shop?
Thanks.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Possible engine alternative |
I was wondering about the same. What about a Buick 215 V-8?
-----Original Message-----
From: Owen Davies <owen5819@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 5:13 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possible engine alternative
?
Bob Hoover (the other Bob Hoover, at
http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.com/) mentioned the following in his
entry for 11/16/06:?
?
"This may come as a surprise but there are modern industrial engines
that weigh less than the Model A and produce more torque at an even
lower rpm. GM makes a nice one. $1600 brand new in the crate from the
factory. It cranks out an honest 65 hp @ 1800 rpm, giving you more than
twice the thrust of the Model A. The engine, which has been in
production since about 1965, is also available used and overhauled, in
both long and short block versions. Just be sure you get it with the
Industrial Engine cam instead of the Marine Engine cam. The marine
version runs at a much higher rpm. Ford makes a similar engine although
I'm not familiar with its specs."?
?
I've looked for it and can't find it, so it may have been discontinued.
I'll drop him a note one of these days and ask where to find that
engine. But first I'm wondering whether anyone has ever seen such an
animal on the nose of a Piet. Anyone??
?
I wonder what it would cost from a good reman shop??
?
Thanks.?
?
Owen?
?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Possible engine alternative |
jimisown@aol.com wrote:
> I was wondering about the same. What about a Buick 215 V-8?
I don't suppose it could weigh much more than a Model A. My memory isn't
very reliable, but it claims that Mr. Wittman was getting about 125 hp
out of it spinning a small prop at nearly 3500 rpm. No idea what the
power curve would give you at revs suitable for a Piet-size prop.
How long is the prop used in Piet Corvair installations? How fast does
it turn?
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Possible engine alternative |
Hey Owen
There is a Curtiss replica that taxis and swings a big prop with the big GM
4, the 181 I think they call it. It's a non-flying replica so it has no
hours. You might be able to google and find it.
A couple of things I've noticed with this engine, though. It's heavy at
about 285 pounds. I'm not sure how this compares to the actual weight of a
Model A when it's converted for use in a Pietenpol..
Big 4s like this are known for rocking front to back. This is a really big
4, it doesn't have balance shafts, and it has a reputation for vibration
among hot rodders. I've seen them recommend against using it for this
reason.
The crankshaft durability is unknown in this application, whereas the Model
A crankshaft has proven to hold up.
Ken, who goofs off at work by researching alternatives to Model As
On Jan 31, 2008 5:52 PM, Owen Davies <owen5819@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> jimisown@aol.com wrote:
> > I was wondering about the same. What about a Buick 215 V-8?
> I don't suppose it could weigh much more than a Model A. My memory isn't
> very reliable, but it claims that Mr. Wittman was getting about 125 hp
> out of it spinning a small prop at nearly 3500 rpm. No idea what the
> power curve would give you at revs suitable for a Piet-size prop.
>
> How long is the prop used in Piet Corvair installations? How fast does
> it turn?
>
> Owen
>
>
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Well my plywood came in today from Boulter. It was cut into 4 -12" x 8 foot strips
which is exactly what I wanted. The 1 foot strips were cleanly cut and very
nicely packaged. They also included another strip of thicker plywood for support.
I am very pleased with the quality of the wood and the shipping.
Boulter Plywood still is listing this as a special price. They originally had 2100 sheets, but I don't know how much they have left. For those interested, here is their web site link http://www.boulterplywood.com/.
They also carry birch aircraft plywood.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Possible engine alternative |
Try this.......
http://www.gm.com/explore/technology/gmpowertrain/engines/specialized/industrial/industrial_engines.jsp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possible engine alternative
>
> Bob Hoover (the other Bob Hoover, at http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.com/)
> mentioned the following in his entry for 11/16/06:
>
> "This may come as a surprise but there are modern industrial engines that
> weigh less than the Model A and produce more torque at an even lower rpm.
> GM makes a nice one. $1600 brand new in the crate from the factory. It
> cranks out an honest 65 hp @ 1800 rpm, giving you more than twice the
> thrust of the Model A. The engine, which has been in production since
> about 1965, is also available used and overhauled, in both long and short
> block versions. Just be sure you get it with the Industrial Engine cam
> instead of the Marine Engine cam. The marine version runs at a much higher
> rpm. Ford makes a similar engine although I'm not familiar with its
> specs."
>
> I've looked for it and can't find it, so it may have been discontinued.
> I'll drop him a note one of these days and ask where to find that engine.
> But first I'm wondering whether anyone has ever seen such an animal on the
> nose of a Piet. Anyone?
>
> I wonder what it would cost from a good reman shop?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Possible engine alternative |
gcardinal wrote:
> Try this.......
>
> http://www.gm.com/explore/technology/gmpowertrain/engines/specialized/industrial/industrial_engines.jsp
Looks like the engine Bob is thinking of must have been retired. None of
these fits his description, and none of them looks like a good
replacement for the A.
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Possible engine alternative |
I have a brand spankin never been run ford 1970s vintage ford (2.0L I believe)?SOHC
Pinto engine that I am seriously considering using. All the spec I was able
to locate indicate 85 hp at what rpm I have no idea. I am considering that
since I have to go through it anyway I would try ?to get the RPM down to around
3000 with full hp output. I am thinking to do that I will need a stroker kit,
rated cam, pistons and some work done on the head. All of which I am uncertain
about the availability or a redrive unit. Either way I got bunches of research
to do and few severely?limited sources.? I am open for suggestions.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Possible engine alternative
?
Try this.......?
?
http://www.gm.com/explore/technology/gmpowertrain/engines/specialized/industrial/industrial_engines.jsp?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819@comcast.net>?
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:13 PM?
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possible engine alternative?
?
>?
> Bob Hoover (the other Bob Hoover, at http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.com/) > mentioned the following in his entry for 11/16/06:?
>?
> "This may come as a surprise but there are modern industrial engines that > weigh
less than the Model A and produce more torque at an even lower rpm. > GM
makes a nice one. $1600 brand new in the crate from the factory. It > cranks out
an honest 65 hp @ 1800 rpm, giving you more than twice the > thrust of the
Model A. The engine, which has been in production since > about 1965, is also
available used and overhauled, in both long and short > block versions. Just be
sure you get it with the Industrial Engine cam > instead of the Marine Engine
cam. The marine version runs at a much higher > rpm. Ford makes a similar engine
although I'm not familiar with its > specs."?
>?
> I've looked for it and can't find it, so it may have been discontinued. > I'll
drop him a note one of these days and ask where to find that engine. > But first
I'm wondering whether anyone has ever seen such an animal on the > nose of
a Piet. Anyone??
>?
> I wonder what it would cost from a good reman shop??
>?
> Thanks.?
>?
> Owen?
>?
>?
>?
> ?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Possible engine alternative |
Ken Chambers wrote:
> There is a Curtiss replica that taxis and swings a big prop with the
> big GM 4, the 181 I think they call it. It's a non-flying replica so
> it has no hours. You might be able to google and find it.
Closest I could find was some sites with both the Curtiss and the
Caudron G.4.
> A couple of things I've noticed with this engine, though. It's heavy
> at about 285 pounds. I'm not sure how this compares to the actual
> weight of a Model A when it's converted for use in a Pietenpol.
About 30 lb heavier, I think, but it's been a long time since I
refreshed that memory.
> The crankshaft durability is unknown in this application, whereas the
> Model A crankshaft has proven to hold up.
At this point, I am just doing a thought experiment, trying to figure
out how cheaply one could get a two-place plane in the air these days.
The Piet is the obvious place to begin, but the key is still to get the
cost of the powerplant as low as possible. I'm trying to find something
cheaper than an A.
Thanks for the info.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Magazine |
Dan
My copy hasnt arrived yet. I'm anxiously wating.
Thanks
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dwilson" <marwilson@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation Magazine
>
> Wow! Have you seen who is on the front cover of Sport Aviation ? Way to
> go Richard. That's a great picture!
>
> Dan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161489#161489
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Better name for "big" piet |
747 Piet?
380 Piet?
http://www.gillesvidal.com/blogpano/cockpit1.htm
Clif :-)
I will suggest a few maybe somebody else has a term that would be
better than OVERSIZE.
How about
- Piet Plus
- Piet plus 2
- Piet plus 3 etc etc
- Supersize Piet
- Jumbo Piet
Anybody else have a suggestion?
Steve in Maine
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| Subject: | Names for Pietenpol |
Members:
Before I finish a design logo for the "WideBody" Pietenpol, should we all not
agree on one identifying name? Keep the names coming............
So lets come to an agreement with a name and run with it.....lets "tally" up
the votes.
Suggestions.....
- WB-PietPiet Plus - Bigger Pieters
- Piet plus 2 - Piet plus 3 etc etc
- Supersize Piet - Jumbo Piet
- Air Camper XL - Monster piete
- Piet a Palooza - Pieten Bilt
- Piet a dactyle - Colossal Piet
- Wide flyer - Perfect Piet
- Pure Piet - Piet a tude
- Nothing butt Piet - Neat Piet
- Sweet Piet - Piet power
- Pietenpol Air camper 1 - Wide Piet King of sky
- Piet Plus
- Piet plus 2 - Piet plus 3 etc etc
- Supersize Piet - Jumbo Piet
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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