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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Another engine choice ()
2. 07:17 AM - Re: Alternate engines (Bill Church)
3. 08:26 AM - Re: Plywood (ALAN LYSCARS)
4. 09:40 AM - Re: my Sky Scout/ Alternate engines (Brian Kraut)
5. 10:34 AM - Re: Another engine choice (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
6. 06:09 PM - Re: Front Page News, Dick Navratil on Sport Aviation Cover ! (Dick Navratil)
7. 06:33 PM - Re: Plywood (Richard Schreiber)
8. 06:58 PM - sport aviation cover (RBush96589@aol.com)
9. 07:08 PM - Re: Plywood (Glenn Thomas)
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Subject: | Another engine choice |
AS one pilot put it to me;have you seen this engine working on any plane
yet even in demonstration?
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: February 3, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another engine choice
Ken
That Hexadyne engine would not be a good choice for the Piet. It is
soooo light you would have lots of problems getting your w/b on an
already tail heavy plane.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <mailto:kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
To: Pietenpol <mailto:Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another engine choice
Hexadyne Hexatron two cylinder 60 horsepower 4 stroke aircraft engine
Looking for an engine to power your Kitfox, Pietenpol or similar light
aircraft? The people at Hexadyne Aviation think they have just the
answer for you. The Hexadyne P60 is a new, clean-sheet design that is
just coming to market, and the manufacturer is based here in Salt Lake
City.
Hexadyne is a division of Hexatron Engineering Company, Inc., an
aerospace engineering and manufacturing firm that has been in operation
since 1983. Hexatron builds FAA certified folding crew seats for
commercial airliners, as well as replacement hub and brake components
for C-130 and F-16 aircraft that are supplied to Hill Air Force base
maintenance facilities.
Cy Williams, President and Chief Engineer of Hexadyne, recently gave
Shane Rosanova and myself a tour of the 12,000 sq. ft. manufacturing
plant on North Redwood Rd. Cy explained that Hexatron originally got
involved in experimental aviation when they became distributors for the
now-defunct Merlin aircraft line five years ago. Cy soon realized that
what was really needed was a high-quality, reliable and lightweight four
stroke engine in the 60 horsepower range.
That realization was the genesis of a three-year, million-dollar
research and development effort that has resulted in the design of the
Hexadyne P60. The P60 is a horizontally opposed, four-stroke, four valve
per cylinder, aircooled, two cylinder engine that displaces 800 cc's and
produces 60 horsepower at 5750 RPM. The cylinder heads have been
designed with extra emphasis on cooling, with plenty of fin area and
large air passages through the center of the head.
The cylinders are directly across from each other, a design feature to
reduce the rocking vibration that results when cylinders are offset.
Hexadyne was able to do this by using one connecting rod for one
cylinder and two smaller rods on their own crank journals for the other
side cylinder. The crankshaft, a beefy steel forging, rides in a
vertically-split, two piece aluminum crankcase that incorporates the
cylinders.
A Nikasil liner in each cylinder provides the wear surface for the
forged aluminum pistons to ride in. Lubrication is provided by a
two-stage dry sump oil system. Camshafts and oil pumps are gear-driven
off the rear of the crankshaft, where the integral 45-amp alternator is
mounted. The dual throttle body fuel injection and ignition are
scheduled by an engine management computer, which provides single lever
power management.
The front of the engine contains an integral 2.5 to 1 spur-gear
reduction gearbox, with thrust bearings that can handle tractor or
pusher propeller thrust loads. The engine redline is 5750 RPM, which
gives 2300 RPM at the prop. Engine mounting is handled by a rear, four
point dyna-focal ring. After pointing out the design features of the
engine, Cy introduced us over to one of his engine techs, named
(appropriately enough!) Curtiss Wright. Curtiss led us to the back of
the shop, where a P60 was mounted on a test stand.
He started it up, and did runs up and down the engine RPM range, with
the three-blade Warp Drive propeller creating quite a breeze. This
particular engine had already amassed more than 800 hours of running
time, and Cy said they expect an initial TBO of 1000 hours. The engine
is expected to be available by this summer, and Hexadyne already has
deposits on 25 engines. Aircraft Spruce and Specialty will be carrying
it in their next catalog. The engines will each get a two hour test
stand run before being shipped, and will be supplied with an
installation, maintenance and overhaul manual.
The engine will be warranted for two years against defective parts.
Initial target price is $8,800 dollars. Compact size, light-weight (98
lbs), four stroke reliability and high quality together in one package
make the Hexadyne P60 an attractive option for light aircraft builders.
Hexadyne Aviation might just have the next "big" little engine right
here in Salt Lake!
The Hexadyne 2-cylinder engine and prop make a compact firewall-forward
package. They are being marketed for ultralights and light aircraft that
will fit under the new sport pilot FAR category.
Courtesy of http://www.eaa23.org/News/nl-may01.pdf
Hexatron Engineering, the Hexadyne P 60 aircraft engine, 2 cylinder 4
stroke aircraft
engine.<http://www.ultralightnews.com/airv2000/images/hexatron.jpg>
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Subject: | Alternate engines |
Don't know if anyone else noticed this or not, but Brian's Sky Scout
fuselage and motor was originally built by Larry Harrison (the builder
of the Poplar Piet that Leon referred to). I recognized the nice looking
fuselage from a couple of pictures that were published in the Brodhead
Pietenpol Association newsletter about a year ago. If you're good at
reading slightly blurry photos you can see Larry's name right below the
cockpit. According to the newsletter, it was Larry himself that removed
the wings and tail - to mount on a new Air Camper fuselage he built -
turning his Sky Scout from a one-seater into a two-seater.
Sky Scout wings and tail on an Air Camper fuselage - would that make a
Sky Camper or an Air Scout?
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Kraut
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alternate engines
My Sky Scout has a 2.2 liter Chrysler. It retains pretty much the look
of the Model A or T engine. It was flown, but a previous owner robbed
the wings and tail for a 2 place Piet project and I have not run the
engine yet so I can't comment on anything other than the looks.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
---
---- Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> I've made this comment before when the subject of alternate engines
> comes up. Several years ago a man (Larry Harrison) in Alabama built a
> Piet called Poplar Piet, with the Chev. 2.5 4 cyl "iron duke" from an
> S-10 pick up. The plane was written up in the old news letter with a
> lot of fanfare given to how he found a poplar tree log, cut it up,
> dried it , milled it, etc. ect'ed it and built his Pietenpol with it.
> That's cool, but only mildly interesting compared to the engine which
> hardly got any mention. He reportedly flew the plane over 600 hours
> successfully before a crash unrelated to the engine ended the saga of
> Poplar Piet.
>
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Rick,
Did you buy your 1/16" rib gusset plywood from Boulter (I assume Okume
is appropriate for this application)? If so, how much ply did you buy
for the gussets, and to what dimension did you have Boulter cut the
sheet(s?) for shipping?
A Patriots fan who should have gone to bed earlier last night,
Al Lyscars
Manchester, NH
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Well my plywood came in today from Boulter. It was cut into 4 -12" x
8 foot strips which is exactly what I wanted. The 1 foot strips were
cleanly cut and very nicely packaged. They also included another strip
of thicker plywood for support. I am very pleased with the quality of
the wood and the shipping.
Boulter Plywood still is listing this as a special price. They
originally had 2100 sheets, but I don't know how much they have left.
For those interested, here is their web site link
http://www.boulterplywood.com/.
They also carry birch aircraft plywood.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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Subject: | RE: my Sky Scout/ Alternate engines |
Thanks for the history lesson. I knew that the wings and tail were removed
for another Piet and I knew the builder's name and that he had built severel
other Piets, but that was about it. I would love to get a copy of the
newsletter if anyone could scan one and send it to me. I would also like to
get any other information like the performance or number of hours on the
plane if anyone knows, or just contact information for Larry Harrison.
I suppose it was also Larry that built the nice set of GN-1 ribs that I got
with the project. It will be a unique plane when it is done since I don't
know of any other GN-1 Sky Scouts ever built before.
It is also for sale since I am in the middle of a divorce and need to cut
back on planes for a while. Pretty much just need to assemble the wing and
cover the wings and tail to get it back in the air. Parts wise it just
needs struts and maybe $100 of other minor odds and ends.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alternate engines
Don't know if anyone else noticed this or not, but Brian's Sky Scout
fuselage and motor was originally built by Larry Harrison (the builder
of the Poplar Piet that Leon referred to). I recognized the nice looking
fuselage from a couple of pictures that were published in the Brodhead
Pietenpol Association newsletter about a year ago. If you're good at
reading slightly blurry photos you can see Larry's name right below the
cockpit. According to the newsletter, it was Larry himself that removed
the wings and tail - to mount on a new Air Camper fuselage he built -
turning his Sky Scout from a one-seater into a two-seater.
Sky Scout wings and tail on an Air Camper fuselage - would that make a
Sky Camper or an Air Scout?
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Kraut
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alternate engines
My Sky Scout has a 2.2 liter Chrysler. It retains pretty much the look
of the Model A or T engine. It was flown, but a previous owner robbed
the wings and tail for a 2 place Piet project and I have not run the
engine yet so I can't comment on anything other than the looks.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
---
---- Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> I've made this comment before when the subject of alternate engines
> comes up. Several years ago a man (Larry Harrison) in Alabama built a
> Piet called Poplar Piet, with the Chev. 2.5 4 cyl "iron duke" from an
> S-10 pick up. The plane was written up in the old news letter with a
> lot of fanfare given to how he found a poplar tree log, cut it up,
> dried it , milled it, etc. ect'ed it and built his Pietenpol with it.
> That's cool, but only mildly interesting compared to the engine which
> hardly got any mention. He reportedly flew the plane over 600 hours
> successfully before a crash unrelated to the engine ended the saga of
> Poplar Piet.
>
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Subject: | Another engine choice |
Harvey & Dick,
You both are right..... I read this engine selection with interest as it uses
the "Pietenpol" as a choice for engine/plane compatibility. After reading the
article it is truly an engine for am ultralight class of airplane.
I am still on track for the corvair as I have purchased some used cores for re-building.
Ken
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me;have you seen this engine working on any plane yet even in demonstration?
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil
Sent: February 3, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another engine choice
Ken
That Hexadyne engine would not be a good choice for the Piet. It is soooo
light you would have lots of problems getting your w/b on an already tail heavy
plane.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another engine choice
Hexadyne Hexatron two cylinder 60 horsepower 4 stroke aircraft engine
Looking for an engine to power your Kitfox, Pietenpol or similar
light aircraft? The people at Hexadyne Aviation think they have just the answer
for you. The Hexadyne P60 is a new, clean-sheet design that is just coming
to market, and the manufacturer is based here in Salt Lake City.
Hexadyne is a division of Hexatron Engineering Company, Inc., an aerospace
engineering and manufacturing firm that has been in operation since 1983. Hexatron
builds FAA certified folding crew seats for commercial airliners, as well
as replacement hub and brake components for C-130 and F-16 aircraft that are
supplied to Hill Air Force base maintenance facilities.
Cy Williams, President and Chief Engineer of Hexadyne, recently gave Shane
Rosanova and myself a tour of the 12,000 sq. ft. manufacturing plant on North
Redwood Rd. Cy explained that Hexatron originally got involved in experimental
aviation when they became distributors for the now-defunct Merlin aircraft line
five years ago. Cy soon realized that what was really needed was a high-quality,
reliable and lightweight four stroke engine in the 60 horsepower range.
That realization was the genesis of a three-year, million-dollar research and
development effort that has resulted in the design of the Hexadyne P60. The
P60 is a horizontally opposed, four-stroke, four valve per cylinder, aircooled,
two cylinder engine that displaces 800 ccs and produces 60 horsepower at 5750
RPM. The cylinder heads have been designed with extra emphasis on cooling,
with plenty of fin area and large air passages through the center of the head.
The cylinders are directly across from each other, a design feature to reduce
the rocking vibration that results when cylinders are offset. Hexadyne was
able to do this by using one connecting rod for one cylinder and two smaller rods
on their own crank journals for the other side cylinder. The crankshaft, a
beefy steel forging, rides in a vertically-split, two piece aluminum crankcase
that incorporates the cylinders.
A Nikasil liner in each cylinder provides the wear surface for the forged aluminum
pistons to ride in. Lubrication is provided by a two-stage dry sump oil
system. Camshafts and oil pumps are gear-driven off the rear of the crankshaft,
where the integral 45-amp alternator is mounted. The dual throttle body fuel
injection and ignition are scheduled by an engine management computer, which
provides single lever power management.
The front of the engine contains an integral 2.5 to 1 spur-gear reduction gearbox,
with thrust bearings that can handle tractor or pusher propeller thrust
loads. The engine redline is 5750 RPM, which gives 2300 RPM at the prop. Engine
mounting is handled by a rear, four point dyna-focal ring. After pointing
out the design features of the engine, Cy introduced us over to one of his engine
techs, named (appropriately enough!) Curtiss Wright. Curtiss led us to the
back of the shop, where a P60 was mounted on a test stand.
He started it up, and did runs up and down the engine RPM range, with the three-blade
Warp Drive propeller creating quite a breeze. This particular engine
had already amassed more than 800 hours of running time, and Cy said they expect
an initial TBO of 1000 hours. The engine is expected to be available by this
summer, and Hexadyne already has deposits on 25 engines. Aircraft Spruce and
Specialty will be carrying it in their next catalog. The engines will each
get a two hour test stand run before being shipped, and will be supplied with
an installation, maintenance and overhaul manual.
The engine will be warranted for two years against defective parts. Initial
target price is $8,800 dollars. Compact size, light-weight (98 lbs), four stroke
reliability and high quality together in one package make the Hexadyne P60
an attractive option for light aircraft builders. Hexadyne Aviation might just
have the next big little engine right here in Salt Lake!
The Hexadyne 2-cylinder engine and prop make a compact firewall-forward package.
They are being marketed for ultralights and light aircraft that will fit
under the new sport pilot FAR category.
Courtesy of http://www.eaa23.org/News/nl-may01.pdf
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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Subject: | Re: Front Page News, Dick Navratil on Sport Aviation Cover |
!
I waited to respond till my issue came today and I got a chance to see
the article.
Thanks Mike, I grabbed an extra copy of the 1999 Sport Aviation that
featured your plane and your pics have been on the board in my hangar
ever since. I still watch your video occasionally on winter nights.
Skip Gadd had a huge role in this building projects, keeping me from
making some big mistakes.
P.F Beck was also a big help with the volunteers and building at SNF.
I took the idea for the center section radio cut out from Jack Phillips.
Greg Cardinal and Dale Johnson built a great elevator linkage system and
provided me with the help to copy. Greg also helped with the fuel
tanks.
There are too many people on and off of this list to recall right now,
but thanks to all.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front Page News, Dick Navratil on Sport
Aviation Cover !
What a great shot in the arm for the Pietenpol world and potential
builders out there reading the latest issue of Sport Aviation, Dick.
That was a fine article with excellent photos of you flying your
radial powered Pietenpol over some gorgeous fall colors up north.
You've done us all very proud !
Mike C.
PS-- you even shaved for that photo !
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Al,
I only bought the 1/16" ply from Boulter to use on my wing leading edge. I purchased
a 4'x8' sheet cut into 4 - 1'x 8' pieces. If the Okume from boulter would
have been available a few years ago, I would have used it for my gussets and
to sheet my inboard ribs. If you are just starting building and are building
a 3 piece wing, I think I would order 2- 4x8 foot sheets. Have them slit one into
4 - 1'x 8' pieces for the leading edge and have the other 4x8 foot sheet cut
into 2-4x4 foot pieces or 4 2x4 foot pieces if the shipping is too much.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: ALAN LYSCARS
Sent: 2/4/2008 10:34:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Rick,
Did you buy your 1/16" rib gusset plywood from Boulter (I assume Okume is appropriate
for this application)? If so, how much ply did you buy for the gussets,
and to what dimension did you have Boulter cut the sheet(s?) for shipping?
A Patriots fan who should have gone to bed earlier last night,
Al Lyscars
Manchester, NH
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood
Well my plywood came in today from Boulter. It was cut into 4 -12" x 8 foot strips
which is exactly what I wanted. The 1 foot strips were cleanly cut and very
nicely packaged. They also included another strip of thicker plywood for support.
I am very pleased with the quality of the wood and the shipping.
Boulter Plywood still is listing this as a special price. They originally had 2100 sheets, but I don't know how much they have left. For those interested, here is their web site link http://www.boulterplywood.com/.
They also carry birch aircraft plywood.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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Subject: | sport aviation cover |
Hey Dick,
I just got my copy of sport aviation,congratulations. I enjoyed your
article and great photos.See you at sun-n-fun and Brodhead.
Randy Bush
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Al,
Boulter is in Somerville, MA. You could probably make a trip there from
Manchester in less than an hour. It might be worth the drive. I live in CT
and got a chance to look at the other plywood they sell too. They have a
pretty large selection for such a small location. Making the drive gives
you a chance to pick through their inventory and be more selective (I
rejected 2 of the sheets he pulled out). I picked up 5 sheets of the
1.5mmmarine ply on Saturday. I bought a piece of 3/4 MDF and had them
pack the
plywood with the MDF and wrap it with cardboard. I'm kicking myself now for
not getting some 1/8 while I was there. I'm going to make a list of all the
other plywood I need and make another trip.
I bought Aircraft Spruce's Finnish Birch and used a total of 4' x 4'. (I
planned for as little waste as possible and had about a 3/4" strip left
over.) One of those sheets should be more than enough to do your ribs. It
cost me quite a bit more for a half sheet from AS&S than a full sheet from
Boulter.
Yes, the Pats really surprised me too. Lots of long faces at work today.
On 2/4/08, ALAN LYSCARS <alyscars@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Did you buy your 1/16" rib gusset plywood from Boulter (I assume Okume
> is appropriate for this application)? If so, how much ply did you buy for
> the gussets, and to what dimension did you have Boulter cut the sheet(s?)
> for shipping?
>
> A Patriots fan who should have gone to bed earlier last night,
>
> Al Lyscars
> Manchester, NH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:29 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Plywood
>
>
> Well my plywood came in today from Boulter. It was cut into 4 -12" x 8
> foot strips which is exactly what I wanted. The 1 foot strips were cleanly
> cut and very nicely packaged. They also included another strip of thicker
> plywood for support. I am very pleased with the quality of the wood and the
> shipping.
>
> Boulter Plywood still is listing this as a special price. They originally
> had 2100 sheets, but I don't know how much they have left. For those
> interested, here is their web site link http://www.boulterplywood.com/.
>
> They also carry birch aircraft plywood.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
>
> *
>
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> *
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> *
>
>
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