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1. 07:59 AM - Re: Again GREAT article (Tim Willis)
2. 09:43 AM - Horizontal stab question. (Michael Groah)
3. 10:03 AM - Re: Horizontal stab question. (Phillips, Jack)
4. 10:36 AM - Re: Horizontal stab question. (Michael Groah)
5. 11:06 AM - Re: Again GREAT article (Steve Eldredge)
6. 11:36 AM - Re: Again GREAT article (Dave Abramson)
7. 11:59 AM - Re: Again GREAT article (Perry Rhoads)
8. 02:45 PM - Re: Again GREAT article (Barry Davis)
9. 03:48 PM - Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
10. 03:55 PM - Re: Horizontal stab question. (Don Emch)
11. 04:03 PM - Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Don Emch)
12. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
13. 07:22 PM - Re: Horizontal stab question. (MikeD)
14. 07:29 PM - Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Dick Navratil)
15. 08:02 PM - Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Don Emch)
16. 10:13 PM - Attn: Florida Pieters - Valkaria Air Fest (X59) on 2/16/08 (Mike Whaley)
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| Subject: | Re: Again GREAT article |
Dick,
I finally got my copy of "Sport Aviation" yesterday. Your plane is just gorgeous.
It just screams "antique!", at least as much as the A-Ford powered Piets.
The skin treatment, wooden and spoked LG, and exposed radial make it work.
All its details are so well executed. Great job. Congratulations.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
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>From: Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>Sent: Feb 5, 2008 9:51 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
>
>Those pics were taken in the construction process. Although not really required
as pointed out in another response, before flying, they were changed to castle
nuts with cotter pins. Also a proper fitting clevis pin was installed, it
was just easier to have a longer pin in hand while installing and adjusting.
>Dick N.
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
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> Not to appear to be a smart a--,
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> I would use castle nuts & cotter pins on those pivot bolts in lieu of self locking
nuts.
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> Nathan
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| Subject: | Horizontal stab question. |
Ok I have a question for all of you about my horizontal stab. Ive already glued
it up, but now Im concerned I may have done it wrong. When I glued it up
I spaced each piece up off the jig (main beam, leading edge, and center beam)
so that their center lines all lined up. Should I have done this or should I have
had each piece against the jig so that the bottom of the stab is flat and
the top slants down from main beam to leading edge? I started thinking that having
everything flat against the jig would give a slight airfoil shape when done.
What have you guys done? Have I screwed up once again? If so Ill start
cutting up my horiz stab and elevators and redo them.
Thanks for your help in advance.
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Horizontal stab question. |
I did mine just like you described Michael. It flies very well.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question.
Ok I have a question for all of you about my horizontal stab. I've
already glued it up, but now I'm concerned I may have done it wrong.
When I glued it up I spaced each piece up off the jig (main beam,
leading edge, and center beam) so that their center lines all lined up.
Should I have done this or should I have had each piece against the jig
so that the bottom of the stab is flat and the top slants down from main
beam to leading edge? I started thinking that having everything flat
against the jig would give a slight airfoil shape when done. What have
you guys done? Have I screwed up once again? If so I'll start cutting
up my horiz stab and elevators and redo them.
Thanks for your help in advance.
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Horizontal stab question. |
Great, that makes me feel better. And you have a beautiful plane. I love the
color combination.
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very well.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stab question.
Ok I have a question for all of you about my horizontal stab. Ive already
glued it up, but now Im concerned I may have done it wrong. When I glued it up
I spaced each piece up off the jig (main beam, leading edge, and center beam)
so that their center lines all lined up. Should I have done this or should I
have had each piece against the jig so that the bottom of the stab is flat and
the top slants down from main beam to leading edge? I started thinking that
having everything flat against the jig would give a slight airfoil shape when
done. What have you guys done? Have I screwed up once again? If so Ill start
cutting up my horiz stab and elevators and redo them.
Thanks for your help in advance.
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Again GREAT article |
I must lend my congratulations to Dick N, as well. Excellent article, excellent
specimen!
Just has to be cool flying a round engine piet!
The extra features of a translucent wing and a woody fuse, and exposed cables are
cool touches!
Best Regards,
Steve E!
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| Subject: | Again GREAT article |
Does anyone have a spare copy of the magazine for purchase???? Or, know
where I can get it?????
Thanks!
Dave A.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
Here is another pic that may help.
Dick
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
Any chance of some details on that external cabeling? That might well be
worth doing from a visual and functional approach.
-Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Again GREAT article |
Call EAA
Perry Rhoads
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From: Dave Abramson
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
Does anyone have a spare copy of the magazine for purchase???? Or,
know where I can get it?????
Thanks!
Dave A.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:55 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
Here is another pic that may help.
Dick
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From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
Any chance of some details on that external cabeling? That might well
be worth doing from a visual and functional approach.
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| Subject: | Re: Again GREAT article |
Join EAA
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Abramson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
Does anyone have a spare copy of the magazine for purchase???? Or,
know where I can get it?????
Thanks!
Dave A.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:55 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
Here is another pic that may help.
Dick
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From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Again GREAT article
Any chance of some details on that external cabeling? That might well
be worth doing from a visual and functional approach.
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| Subject: | Axle thickness, wheel and tire size |
I'm not gonna lie. I'm too lazy to search the archives, but am ready to
start on my wooden gear.
What thickness should I use for the axle? I saw in the recent Sport
Aviation that Dick N. used a 1 1/4" axle 1/8" thick, then put a 1" sleeve in it
to
fit his wheels.
Also, I'm not sure what wheel size to use. The Air Camper plans show
24x4, I think. The Scout plans show a 26"x3", which look petty nice.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal stab question. |
Michael,
I did mine the same way too. You do want to pay attention to the plans when you
attach it to the fuselage. If I remember correctly there is a plywood spacer
to give it a slight incidence. Not positve, others might clarify this too.
Some Piets fly with the elevator hanging down slightly. Not a problem, but it
probably wouldn't be there if there was slightly more incidence. Without trim
the position of the elevator will change if the C.G. changes too. I'm off
the subject now and this opens a whole other can of worms! I do know that I used
the amount of spacing that was in the plans and my elevator position does
change slightly depending on C.G. from slightly high to slightly low in cruise
flight.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size |
Ron,
My axle 1 1/2" and 1/8" thick.
Rim size is 19".
Total tire height is about 25 1/2".
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_145.JPG
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_094.JPG
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size |
Hey there Don,
Yes, I remember those wheels! I love 'em. Aren't you the one that told me
a while back that you used small, circular pieces of wood next to the
collar? Do you remember off hand what your tire size is?
Ron
In a message dated 2/6/2008 7:04:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
EmchAir@aol.com writes:
Ron,
My axle 1 1/2" and 1/8" thick.
Rim size is 19".
Total tire height is about 25 1/2".
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_145.JPG
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/Brodhead__20070720_094.JPG
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal stab question. |
[quote="dskogrover(at)yahoo.com"]Ok I have a question for all of you about my horizontal
stab. ... I started thinking that having everything flat against the
jig would give a slight airfoil shape when done.
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
> [b]
Actually while it would have a tiny bit of an airfoil shape, it is upside down
to what you would actually want - as the stab is generating down force during
stable upright flight. But the tiny amount of camber built into the stab done
this way is so small as to be barely worth thinking about. And it makes it easier
to jig too..
Happy Pieting
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size |
Ron
Sport Aviation got it wrong. I have a 1 1/2" axle .188 with an inner
sleeve and a 1" outer axle which has been heat treated.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size
I'm not gonna lie. I'm too lazy to search the archives, but am
ready to start on my wooden gear.
What thickness should I use for the axle? I saw in the recent Sport
Aviation that Dick N. used a 1 1/4" axle 1/8" thick, then put a 1"
sleeve in it to fit his wheels.
Also, I'm not sure what wheel size to use. The Air Camper plans
show 24x4, I think. The Scout plans show a 26"x3", which look petty
nice.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size |
Ron,
Yeah, I just made a large "washer" i guess you could say that I wrapped the fabric
around then placed it over the center of the hub. I used plywood but something
like thin aluminum would work nice too I suppose. They are Cheng Shinn
3.25 / 3.60 S19 tires. I'm not exactly sure of the rim size other than 19".
What ever size it would need to be for that size tire. I remember it didn't make
much sense to me as to why it would use that size tire. But then a lot of
things don't always make sense to me!
Good luck with the wheels!
Don
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| Subject: | Attn: Florida Pieters - Valkaria Air Fest (X59) on 2/16/08 |
Hi all,
Just a quick note... we're coming up on the Valkaria Air Fest on Saturday,
Feb. 16th at Valkaria Airport (X59 in Central Florida, between Melbourne and
Vero Beach). All pilots and aircraft are invited, and we especially
encourage owners of Pietenpols and other "interesting" aircraft to attend
regardless of what type they are. We'll have everything from PPCs to
helicopters to warbirds to VLJ's on display and doing flybys throughout the
day. We will also have two airshows (lunchtime and sunset) with John Black
and Gene McNeely doing acro, balloon glow, P-51 demos, and skydiving as well
as T-6 and 2-passenger PT-17 rides being available all day.
The part I think is probably the coolest is our "History Hangar" where we'll
have no less than TEN original Tuskegee Airmen, and over a dozen other
notable and legendary aviation heroes available to meet and talk with. The
list includes fighter legend Boots Blesse (featured on "Dogfights" and the
author of "No Guts, No Glory"), B-29 commander and former US Congressman
Bruce Alger, Aeroshell T-6 performer Gene McNeely, and many others
fascinating folks ranging from WAFs to WW2 Me-109 pilots to SR-71 drivers. I
think this will be really unique and a rare chance to meet some true heroes,
don't miss it!
We'll have a pancake breakfast going from 7-11am and other food vendors
available all day long. This is a great chance to enjoy a low-key, fun air
festival / aviation day at a small airport and help show the public the joy
of recreational aviation.
You are all invited! If you're interested, visit our website for full info
and flyers you can pass along to other intersted parties:
http://www.ValkariaAirFest.org/
Thanks, and hope to see some of you guys and gals there!
-Mike
Mike Whaley
Valkaria Air Fest 2008 Executive Committee
Join us at the Valkaria Air Fest at X59 on Feb. 16, 2008!
Web: ValkariaAirFest.org
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