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1. 12:04 AM - Header tank help.. (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Gene & Tammy)
3. 06:36 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Brian Kraut)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Brian Kraut)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Phillips, Jack)
6. 11:21 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Bill Church)
7. 11:45 AM - Tank information (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
8. 11:54 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Jack T. Textor)
9. 12:03 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
10. 01:14 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Brian Kraut)
11. 03:04 PM - Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
12. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
13. 03:26 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Bill Church)
14. 04:03 PM - Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Don Emch)
15. 05:01 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Ryan Michals)
16. 05:50 PM - Congratulations (Donald Lane)
17. 07:29 PM - PM'ing, I am having problems.. (MikeD)
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum
cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what
are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube
gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci
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| Subject: | Re: Header tank help.. |
Ken,
I can't answer your question but I have a few for you. What aluminum
did you use and where did you get it and how many gallons will your tank
hold? I was going to use 5052 for my 17 gal tank but it will cost a
bundle to ship a 4 X 8 sheet as everyone wants to ship it flat. My
local supplier suggested I use 6061, which he has in stock but I don't
have any information on how it will hold up as a fuel tank. I'm
contacting my A & P this morning to see what he says.
Thanks
Gene
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I
am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero
sells them. Here is the link
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a
welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA,
CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM
To: Pietenpol
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the
aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities.
Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make
any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only
option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
An obvious question would be why not just order a sheet cut into 2' X 4'
pieces shipped UPS?
When I need 5052 I get it from a local sheet metal/welding shop. They have
lots of 5052 in stock. I recommend going through your yellow pages under
sheet metal or welding and seeing if there is a local place that has it.
Although, I don't think that there is any problem using 6061 for the tank.
Also check http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/ for an alternative method using
thinner sheet metal and rivited construction.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Ken,
I can't answer your question but I have a few for you. What aluminum did
you use and where did you get it and how many gallons will your tank hold?
I was going to use 5052 for my 17 gal tank but it will cost a bundle to ship
a 4 X 8 sheet as everyone wants to ship it flat. My local supplier
suggested I use 6061, which he has in stock but I don't have any information
on how it will hold up as a fuel tank. I'm contacting my A & P this morning
to see what he says.
Thanks
Gene
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
That's the same thing I used. (I was trying to remember where I bought
it, but you're right - It was Wag Aero that had them). I've attached a
picture showing it hanging down from the centersection tank, between the
front cabane struts. It works very well. Just be careful to position
it offset from the fuel filler, or you might damage the float by jamming
the fuel hose nozzle into it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Kraut
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing.
I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag
Aero sells them. Here is the link
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=96. It screws
into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM
To: Pietenpol
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I
used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and
Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight
gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't
be the only option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to
return,
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges,
but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical
Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the
List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued
them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online
description is a bit lacking (as is the image).
Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think
anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their
name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out
the name in full because it just doesn't look right?)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php
Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when
Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool
wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a
prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain
remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator
that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at
mykitplane.com in Max's photos
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%200
60404%20022.jpg
<http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%20
060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583> &PhotoID=2583 .
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I
am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero
sells them. Here is the link
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a
welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA,
CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the
aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities.
Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make
any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only
option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Tank information |
Pietenpol Members:
I am heading into town to pick-up my custom fuel tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol.
I am very fortunate to have the manufacturer of the "FreeBird" in my back
yard. Also, as apart of this company, he has a medical manufacturing company
that deals in all kinds and types of material from aluminum and tubing to include
aircraft steel.
I will post photos of my tank and the weight of it when I return home. Understand,
my Pietenpol is 29" across at the tank compartment and the taper starts
behind the front passenger seat.
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
What a great design, here is another picture,
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20CC%
2
0tank%20007.jpg&PhotoID=2579
Jack
www.textors.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight
gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your
typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous
discussion on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter
version, but discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version?
Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a bit lacking (as is the
image).
Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think
anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening
their name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and
typed out the name in full because it just doesn't look right?)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php
Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list
when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some
really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got
as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that
what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice,
with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the
tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Pie
t
%20060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 .
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Kraut
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing.
I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag
Aero sells them. Here is the link
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=96. It screws
into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM
To: Pietenpol
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I
used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and
Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight
gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't
be the only option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
Bill,
For my header tank application, I would love to see an snowmobile style gas gage
( the one where the cork slide up between two rods and the gage shown the
fuel amount on the cap)
with the same design but the rod pushes up into a tube for visual effects!
Maybe time to create one I guess........
Ken
Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges,
but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical Pietenpol
wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the List
a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued them.
Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is
a bit lacking (as is the image).
Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think anyone
at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their name to
just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out the name in
full because it just doesn't look right?)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php
Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%20060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 .
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum
cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what
are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube
gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
The one that Wag sells is for about a 6" tank. You can cut off the end of
the wire that hangs in the glass tube and paint marks on the tube to make it
accurate for shorter tanks. It screws in a 1/4" NPT pipe thread.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:19 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight
gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your
typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion
on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but
discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's
online description is a bit lacking (as is the image).
Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think
anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their
name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out
the name in full because it just doesn't look right?)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php
Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list
when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really
cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a
prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain
remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator
that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at
mykitplane.com in Max's photos
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%200
60404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 .
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I
am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero
sells them. Here is the link
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a
welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA,
CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM
To: Pietenpol
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the
aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities.
Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make
any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only
option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size |
Thanks for the correction, Dick. By the way, I had the pleasure of meeting
you at Sun/Fun last year. Had I known you were such a celebrity, I would have
asked for your autograph. I told you I would be back the last day to help
with the plane, but I regrettably never made it to the show the final day. Hope
to see you again this year.
Ron
do not archive
In a message dated 2/6/2008 10:30:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
horzpool@goldengate.net writes:
Ron
Sport Aviation got it wrong. I have a 1 1/2" axle .188 with an inner sleeve
and a 1" outer axle which has been heat treated.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size |
Thanks for your help, Don. By the way, has anyone ever ordered from Robert
at Airdrome Aeroplanes? Seems they have fairly decent prices for ready made
stuff.
Ron
In a message dated 2/6/2008 11:03:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
EmchAir@aol.com writes:
Ron,
Yeah, I just made a large "washer" i guess you could say that I wrapped the
fabric around then placed it over the center of the hub. I used plywood but
something like thin aluminum would work nice too I suppose. They are Cheng
Shinn 3.25 / 3.60 S19 tires. I'm not exactly sure of the rim size other than
19". What ever size it would need to be for that size tire. I remember it
didn't make much sense to me as to why it would use that size tire. But then
a lot of things don't always make sense to me!
Good luck with the wheels!
Don
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
There's also the fuel sight gauge that's mounted on top of the wing like
used in the DeHavilland Moths. Not sure if it is a cork on a rod that slides
up and down, or if it's on a lever with a crank.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size |
Ron those wheels at Airdrome Aeroplanes look really nice. They really aren't very
hard to make. They can be made without the use of a lathe if you are creative.
However, the price that he has listed is pretty good. He definately isn't
getting rich on them!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Hey Dick
Great article! Great airplane
Don Lane
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| Subject: | PM'ing, I am having problems.. |
I am sure I am being a complete bonehead here and missing something obvious, but
humor me..
I tried to PM a list member, so I hit "PM" on one of their posts, simple enough,
typed a subject and message, and hit "Submit". To me that implied it was sent,
esp. since the next screen that popped up said "Your message has been sent".
After 2-3 days with no response, I thought I would check if their was a problem
or if I simply did not have a reply yet. I clicked on the "Sent messages"
option, and was told the folder was empty. Hmm. I clicked on the Outbox option,
and there was my message. In Outlook terminology, that means it is in stasis
in the email program for some reason, so I assume it means the same here. I tried
another message, and did what made sense and it too is corralled in the Outbox
folder.
So.. what is wrong with me, why can't I send a simple PM?.. [Crying or Very sad]
Thx,
Mike
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Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
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