---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/07/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - Header tank help.. (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 2. 06:11 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Gene & Tammy) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Brian Kraut) 4. 06:49 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Brian Kraut) 5. 06:50 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Phillips, Jack) 6. 11:21 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Bill Church) 7. 11:45 AM - Tank information (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 8. 11:54 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Jack T. Textor) 9. 12:03 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 10. 01:14 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Brian Kraut) 11. 03:04 PM - Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 12. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 13. 03:26 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Bill Church) 14. 04:03 PM - Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size (Don Emch) 15. 05:01 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Ryan Michals) 16. 05:50 PM - Congratulations (Donald Lane) 17. 07:29 PM - PM'ing, I am having problems.. (MikeD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:35 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:33 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Ken, I can't answer your question but I have a few for you. What aluminum did you use and where did you get it and how many gallons will your tank hold? I was going to use 5052 for my 17 gal tank but it will cost a bundle to ship a 4 X 8 sheet as everyone wants to ship it flat. My local supplier suggested I use 6061, which he has in stock but I don't have any information on how it will hold up as a fuel tank. I'm contacting my A & P this morning to see what he says. Thanks Gene ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2/6/2008 9:13 AM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:46 AM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM To: Pietenpol Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:05 AM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. An obvious question would be why not just order a sheet cut into 2' X 4' pieces shipped UPS? When I need 5052 I get it from a local sheet metal/welding shop. They have lots of 5052 in stock. I recommend going through your yellow pages under sheet metal or welding and seeing if there is a local place that has it. Although, I don't think that there is any problem using 6061 for the tank. Also check http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/ for an alternative method using thinner sheet metal and rivited construction. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Ken, I can't answer your question but I have a few for you. What aluminum did you use and where did you get it and how many gallons will your tank hold? I was going to use 5052 for my 17 gal tank but it will cost a bundle to ship a 4 X 8 sheet as everyone wants to ship it flat. My local supplier suggested I use 6061, which he has in stock but I don't have any information on how it will hold up as a fuel tank. I'm contacting my A & P this morning to see what he says. Thanks Gene href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Release Date: 2/6/2008 9:13 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. From: "Phillips, Jack" That's the same thing I used. (I was trying to remember where I bought it, but you're right - It was Wag Aero that had them). I've attached a picture showing it hanging down from the centersection tank, between the front cabane struts. It works very well. Just be careful to position it offset from the fuel filler, or you might damage the float by jamming the fuel hose nozzle into it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=96. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM To: Pietenpol Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:49 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a bit lacking (as is the image). Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out the name in full because it just doesn't look right?) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%200 60404%20022.jpg &PhotoID=2583 . Bill C. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:50 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tank information Pietenpol Members: I am heading into town to pick-up my custom fuel tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I am very fortunate to have the manufacturer of the "FreeBird" in my back yard. Also, as apart of this company, he has a medical manufacturing company that deals in all kinds and types of material from aluminum and tubing to include aircraft steel. I will post photos of my tank and the weight of it when I return home. Understand, my Pietenpol is 29" across at the tank compartment and the taper starts behind the front passenger seat. Ken H Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. From: "Jack T. Textor" What a great design, here is another picture, http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20CC% 2 0tank%20007.jpg&PhotoID=2579 Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a bit lacking (as is the image). Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out the name in full because it just doesn't look right?) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Pie t %20060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 . Bill C. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=96. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM To: Pietenpol Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:24 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Bill, For my header tank application, I would love to see an snowmobile style gas gage ( the one where the cork slide up between two rods and the gage shown the fuel amount on the cap) with the same design but the rod pushes up into a tube for visual effects! Maybe time to create one I guess........ Ken Bill Church wrote: Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a bit lacking (as is the image). Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out the name in full because it just doesn't look right?) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%20060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 . Bill C. --------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:43 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. The one that Wag sells is for about a 6" tank. You can cut off the end of the wire that hangs in the glass tube and paint marks on the tube to make it accurate for shorter tanks. It screws in a 1/4" NPT pipe thread. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:19 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a bit lacking (as is the image). Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out the name in full because it just doesn't look right?) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%200 60404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 . Bill C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM To: Pietenpol Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:44 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size Thanks for the correction, Dick. By the way, I had the pleasure of meeting you at Sun/Fun last year. Had I known you were such a celebrity, I would have asked for your autograph. I told you I would be back the last day to help with the plane, but I regrettably never made it to the show the final day. Hope to see you again this year. Ron do not archive In a message dated 2/6/2008 10:30:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: Ron Sport Aviation got it wrong. I have a 1 1/2" axle .188 with an inner sleeve and a 1" outer axle which has been heat treated. Dick N. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:14 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size Thanks for your help, Don. By the way, has anyone ever ordered from Robert at Airdrome Aeroplanes? Seems they have fairly decent prices for ready made stuff. Ron In a message dated 2/6/2008 11:03:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, EmchAir@aol.com writes: Ron, Yeah, I just made a large "washer" i guess you could say that I wrapped the fabric around then placed it over the center of the hub. I used plywood but something like thin aluminum would work nice too I suppose. They are Cheng Shinn 3.25 / 3.60 S19 tires. I'm not exactly sure of the rim size other than 19". What ever size it would need to be for that size tire. I remember it didn't make much sense to me as to why it would use that size tire. But then a lot of things don't always make sense to me! Good luck with the wheels! Don **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:17 PM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. There's also the fuel sight gauge that's mounted on top of the wing like used in the DeHavilland Moths. Not sure if it is a cork on a rod that slides up and down, or if it's on a lever with a crank. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness, wheel and tire size From: "Don Emch" Ron those wheels at Airdrome Aeroplanes look really nice. They really aren't very hard to make. They can be made without the use of a lathe if you are creative. However, the price that he has listed is pretty good. He definately isn't getting rich on them! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162898#162898 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:43 PM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:40 PM PST US From: "Donald Lane" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congratulations Hey Dick Great article! Great airplane Don Lane ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: PM'ing, I am having problems.. From: "MikeD" I am sure I am being a complete bonehead here and missing something obvious, but humor me.. I tried to PM a list member, so I hit "PM" on one of their posts, simple enough, typed a subject and message, and hit "Submit". To me that implied it was sent, esp. since the next screen that popped up said "Your message has been sent". After 2-3 days with no response, I thought I would check if their was a problem or if I simply did not have a reply yet. I clicked on the "Sent messages" option, and was told the folder was empty. Hmm. I clicked on the Outbox option, and there was my message. In Outlook terminology, that means it is in stasis in the email program for some reason, so I assume it means the same here. I tried another message, and did what made sense and it too is corralled in the Outbox folder. So.. what is wrong with me, why can't I send a simple PM?.. 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