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1. 04:07 AM - Stromberg NAS-3A1 (John Franklin)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (tbyh@aol.com)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (MikeD)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (Bill Church)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 07:40 AM - Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 08:06 AM - Re: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL (John Hofmann)
8. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote ()
9. 09:26 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Bill Church)
10. 09:45 AM - Header tank help.. (santiago morete)
11. 10:31 AM - Vi Kapler NOw ON-LINE... (dwilson)
12. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote ()
13. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
14. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
15. 12:41 PM - Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (MikeD)
16. 02:50 PM - Re: Vi Kapler NOw ON-LINE... (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
17. 03:57 PM - One Minute Waldo Pepper Trailer (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
18. 06:16 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Brian Kraut)
19. 06:23 PM - Re: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
20. 07:25 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Jim Malley)
21. 08:31 PM - Re: New fuel gage.. (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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| Subject: | Stromberg NAS-3A1 |
I have a Stromberg NAS-3A1 carburetor for sale, if anyone's interested please contact
me offline at jjr48@slb.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci
This is not correct. Leonardo da Vinci did not write the words "to break the surly
bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" Those words were written by John
Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American flying
with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. Some people also like to?attribute
those words to Ronald Reagan for his space shuttle Challenger?speech - neither
Reagan nor his speechwriters were capable of writing anything anywhere
near that poetic!?
FW Beseler
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return.
- Leonardo da Vinci
High Flight
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
John Gillespie Magee, Jr
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
Fred,
The quote doesn't actually say it's attributed to LEONARDO da Vinci, it just
says da Vinci.
I think maybe the full quote was written by a lesser known da Vinci - John
Gillespie da Vinci.
I realize it's early in the day, so I'll make it clear right now that the
above is simply a weak attempt at humour (humor).
Bill C
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tbyh@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci
This is not correct. Leonardo da Vinci did not write the words "to break the
surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" Those words were written by
John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American
flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. Some people also like
to attribute those words to Ronald Reagan for his space shuttle Challenger
speech - neither Reagan nor his speechwriters were capable of writing
anything anywhere near that poetic!
FW Beseler
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
I was going in a little different direction
(mailto:mjdt@auracom.com)
- Leonardo da Vinci High Flight
John Gillespie Magee, Jr Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
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In a message dated 2/8/2008 9:15:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
eng@canadianrogers.com writes:
Fred,
The quote doesn't actually say it's attributed to LEONARDO da Vinci, it just
says da Vinci.
I think maybe the full quote was written by a lesser known da Vinci - John
Gillespie da Vinci.
I realize it's early in the day, so I'll make it clear right now that the
above is simply a weak attempt at humour (humor).
Bill C
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tbyh@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned
skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci
This is not correct. Leonardo da Vinci did not write the words "to break the
surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" Those words were written by
John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American
flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. Some people also like
to attribute those words to Ronald Reagan for his space shuttle Challenger
speech - neither Reagan nor his speechwriters were capable of writing anything
anywhere near that poetic!
FW Beseler
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| Subject: | Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL |
"Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up."
Roger B. Chaffee, Astronaut
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| Subject: | Re: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL |
Some people would say that what you are about to see, is probably the
greatest exhibition of aeronautical skill in the history of world. I
myself, wouldnt go that far. It is probably only the greatest since
the invention of the aeroplane.
Axel Olsson - The Stunt King
On Feb 8, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote:
>
>
> "Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up."
>
> Roger B. Chaffee, Astronaut
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
It has been proven that men cannot actually fly. Even the astronauts
agree with this. I myself have never seen a man or a women fly. We can
fall quite well and maybe even glide a little. No, alas men cannot fly.
Even good old Leonardo didn't fly. He did however, watch a lot of birds.
Our machines called airplanes, now they can fly, with our help. By the
way the earth is actually flat.
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
Another fuel gauge option for the center-section tank is the arrangement
that Tim Mickel has on N57TL. I've attached a picture that I got from
www.westcoastpiet.com that shows what it looks like. It looks nice and
unobtrusive, but I spoke with Tim about it and he says it doesn't work well
at all. Basically he says he uses his watch to tell how much fuel he has in
the wing tank (based on the engine's fuel burn rate).
Dennis Hall's Air Camper (blue heron) that's based at Brodhead has an
arrangement that looks very similar, but I believe uses a Ford Model A fuel
gauge. I do not know what he thinks about how it works.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
Or you can use a fuel gauge from a Model A
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| Subject: | Vi Kapler NOw ON-LINE... |
Great News! Vi Kapler is now online. I am helping him set up his computer to
log on and view this site. Vi & Darlean say hello. Oh! By the way, Vi got
married. You should see the smile on his face.
dwilson
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
We all can fly; I have video proof.
http://www.iflysfbay.com
(I proved it to myself just last Sunday)
---- harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
>
> It has been proven that men cannot actually fly. Even the astronauts
> agree with this. I myself have never seen a man or a women fly. We can
> fall quite well and maybe even glide a little. No, alas men cannot fly.
> Even good old Leonardo didn't fly. He did however, watch a lot of birds.
> Our machines called airplanes, now they can fly, with our help. By the
> way the earth is actually flat.
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
Yes...You are correct! I added this line from the closing attributes of the military
(at the end of the TV stations programming for the night. I have enjoyed
the words read during the flight before the national anthem). It has always
stuck in my mind about flying and touching the face of god....proper credit is
due.
Ken
tbyh@aol.com wrote:
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward,
for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds
of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci
This is not correct. Leonardo da Vinci did not write the words "to break the surly
bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" Those words were written by John
Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American flying
with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. Some people also like to attribute
those words to Ronald Reagan for his space shuttle Challenger speech - neither
Reagan nor his speechwriters were capable of writing anything anywhere
near that poetic!
FW Beseler
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Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
Ditto's...enjoyed that! I loved the narrator who reads the poem during the military
flight. That video is very inspirational of flight...for me!
Ken
MikeD <mjdt@auracom.com> wrote:
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return.
- Leonardo da Vinci
High Flight
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
John Gillespie Magee, Jr
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Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
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Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
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| Subject: | Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote |
> Those words were written by John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight."
Magee was an American flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action.
>
> FW Beseler
>
He was serving at the time, but ironically what killed him was a midair between
his Spit and an RAF trainer. Apparently a witness saw him struggle out of his
Spit but was not high enough to get the 'chute out.
Makes me wonder at the sanity of wearing a chute in a Piet, esp. in the front cockpit.
I would hope we're at about 12,000' AGL if I ever have to bail out..
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Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler NOw ON-LINE... |
Vi Kapler.....
It is about dam time you get up to speed......there.... now log off and throw
the dam computer away since it will only give you heartburn and many sleepless
nights.
Ken H
dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> wrote:
Great News! Vi Kapler is now online. I am helping him set up his computer to log
on and view this site. Vi & Darlean say hello. Oh! By the way, Vi got married.
You should see the smile on his face.
dwilson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163033#163033
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
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| Subject: | One Minute Waldo Pepper Trailer |
This is great......for those of you at Brodhead last summer they showed
this movie Saturday night against a hangar wall. For the
res of you, you've probably see this classic. This is fun to watching
during the dreary days of winter !
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfZhXhCGwEA
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| Subject: | Header tank help.. |
That looks exactly like the fuel gauge in the header tank of a Piper Clipper
I had. Would not surprise me at all if it was the same one.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of santiago
morete
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:23 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Or you can use a fuel gauge from a Model A
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| Subject: | Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL |
Good one John. How about Axel Olsson saying "I didn't like it very
much"
to Waldo regarding his first taste of wingwalking ?
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| Subject: | Re: Header tank help.. |
The AS "Stearman type" is not difficult to modify. When you see it,
you'll realize that it involves shortening the cork guides, the gauge
wire and the plastic tube, the end of which will then have to be
re-tapped to re-accept the drainvalve. For convenience, the markings on
the tube can be redrawn to indicate fuel level both on the ground and in
level flight. The tube will hang down low; if you put it to the rear and
well to one side it will adequately clear the passenger's head.
Jim Malley
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight
gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your
typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous
discussion on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter
version, but discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version?
Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a bit lacking (as is the
image).
Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you
think anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people
shortening their name to just the initials like I just typed, then
backspaced and typed out the name in full because it just doesn't look
right?)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php
Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the
list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of
some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and
got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least
that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really
nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below
the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Pie
t%20060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 .
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Kraut
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are
describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my
Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=96. It screws
into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM
To: Pietenpol
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used
the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and
Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight
gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't
be the only option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: New fuel gage.. |
Members:
In large part due to the depth and size of my tank, I am going to manufacture
one for my need. I have assembled a bunch of "stuff" to make a nice fuel gage
and will post photos and parts when completed.
Ken H
Jim Malley <jgmalley@comcast.net> wrote:
The AS "Stearman type" is not difficult to modify. When you see it, you'll
realize that it involves shortening the cork guides, the gauge wire and
the plastic tube, the end of which will then have to be re-tapped to re-accept
the drainvalve. For convenience, the markings on the tube can be redrawn to indicate
fuel level both on the ground and in level flight. The tube will hang
down low; if you put it to the rear and well to one side it will adequately clear
the passenger's head.
Jim Malley
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges,
but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical Pietenpol
wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the List a few
years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued them. Is
the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a
bit lacking (as is the image).
Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think anyone
at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their name to
just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out the name in
full because it just doesn't look right?)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php
Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%20060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 .
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help..
Members & Fellow Pieters:
I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum
cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what
are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube
gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?.......
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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