---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/08/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:07 AM - Stromberg NAS-3A1 (John Franklin) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (tbyh@aol.com) 3. 06:06 AM - Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (MikeD) 4. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (Bill Church) 5. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 6. 07:40 AM - Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 7. 08:06 AM - Re: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL (John Hofmann) 8. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote () 9. 09:26 AM - Re: Header tank help.. (Bill Church) 10. 09:45 AM - Header tank help.. (santiago morete) 11. 10:31 AM - Vi Kapler NOw ON-LINE... (dwilson) 12. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote () 13. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 14. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 15. 12:41 PM - Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote (MikeD) 16. 02:50 PM - Re: Vi Kapler NOw ON-LINE... (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 17. 03:57 PM - One Minute Waldo Pepper Trailer (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 18. 06:16 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Brian Kraut) 19. 06:23 PM - Re: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 20. 07:25 PM - Re: Header tank help.. (Jim Malley) 21. 08:31 PM - Re: New fuel gage.. (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:30 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg NAS-3A1 I have a Stromberg NAS-3A1 carburetor for sale, if anyone's interested please contact me offline at jjr48@slb.com. ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote From: tbyh@aol.com "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci This is not correct. Leonardo da Vinci did not write the words "to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" Those words were written by John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. Some people also like to?attribute those words to Ronald Reagan for his space shuttle Challenger?speech - neither Reagan nor his speechwriters were capable of writing anything anywhere near that poetic!? FW Beseler ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote From: "MikeD" When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return. - Leonardo da Vinci High Flight Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds, and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . . Up, up the long, delirious burning blue I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace Where never lark, or ever eagle flew And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod The high untrespassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. John Gillespie Magee, Jr -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162981#162981 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:08 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote Fred, The quote doesn't actually say it's attributed to LEONARDO da Vinci, it just says da Vinci. I think maybe the full quote was written by a lesser known da Vinci - John Gillespie da Vinci. I realize it's early in the day, so I'll make it clear right now that the above is simply a weak attempt at humour (humor). Bill C Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tbyh@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci This is not correct. Leonardo da Vinci did not write the words "to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" Those words were written by John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. Some people also like to attribute those words to Ronald Reagan for his space shuttle Challenger speech - neither Reagan nor his speechwriters were capable of writing anything anywhere near that poetic! FW Beseler ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:00 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote I was going in a little different direction (mailto:mjdt@auracom.com) - Leonardo da Vinci High Flight John Gillespie Magee, Jr Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162981#162981 In a message dated 2/8/2008 9:15:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, eng@canadianrogers.com writes: Fred, The quote doesn't actually say it's attributed to LEONARDO da Vinci, it just says da Vinci. I think maybe the full quote was written by a lesser known da Vinci - John Gillespie da Vinci. I realize it's early in the day, so I'll make it clear right now that the above is simply a weak attempt at humour (humor). Bill C Do not archive ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tbyh@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci This is not correct. Leonardo da Vinci did not write the words "to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" Those words were written by John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. Some people also like to attribute those words to Ronald Reagan for his space shuttle Challenger speech - neither Reagan nor his speechwriters were capable of writing anything anywhere near that poetic! FW Beseler (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" "Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up." Roger B. Chaffee, Astronaut ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:23 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL Some people would say that what you are about to see, is probably the greatest exhibition of aeronautical skill in the history of world. I myself, wouldnt go that far. It is probably only the greatest since the invention of the aeroplane. Axel Olsson - The Stunt King On Feb 8, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: > > > "Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up." > > Roger B. Chaffee, Astronaut > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote From: It has been proven that men cannot actually fly. Even the astronauts agree with this. I myself have never seen a man or a women fly. We can fall quite well and maybe even glide a little. No, alas men cannot fly. Even good old Leonardo didn't fly. He did however, watch a lot of birds. Our machines called airplanes, now they can fly, with our help. By the way the earth is actually flat. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:23 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Another fuel gauge option for the center-section tank is the arrangement that Tim Mickel has on N57TL. I've attached a picture that I got from www.westcoastpiet.com that shows what it looks like. It looks nice and unobtrusive, but I spoke with Tim about it and he says it doesn't work well at all. Basically he says he uses his watch to tell how much fuel he has in the wing tank (based on the engine's fuel burn rate). Dennis Hall's Air Camper (blue heron) that's based at Brodhead has an arrangement that looks very similar, but I believe uses a Ford Model A fuel gauge. I do not know what he thinks about how it works. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:44 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Or you can use a fuel gauge from a Model A --------------------------------- Tarjeta de crdito Yahoo! de Banco Supervielle.Solicit tu nueva Tarjeta de crdito. De tu PC directo a tu casa. Visit www.tuprimeratarjeta.com.ar ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi Kapler NOw ON-LINE... From: "dwilson" Great News! Vi Kapler is now online. I am helping him set up his computer to log on and view this site. Vi & Darlean say hello. Oh! By the way, Vi got married. You should see the smile on his face. dwilson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163033#163033 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:37 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote We all can fly; I have video proof. http://www.iflysfbay.com (I proved it to myself just last Sunday) ---- harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: > > It has been proven that men cannot actually fly. Even the astronauts > agree with this. I myself have never seen a man or a women fly. We can > fall quite well and maybe even glide a little. No, alas men cannot fly. > Even good old Leonardo didn't fly. He did however, watch a lot of birds. > Our machines called airplanes, now they can fly, with our help. By the > way the earth is actually flat. > Do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:09 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote Yes...You are correct! I added this line from the closing attributes of the military (at the end of the TV stations programming for the night. I have enjoyed the words read during the flight before the national anthem). It has always stuck in my mind about flying and touching the face of god....proper credit is due. Ken tbyh@aol.com wrote: "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci This is not correct. Leonardo da Vinci did not write the words "to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" Those words were written by John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. Some people also like to attribute those words to Ronald Reagan for his space shuttle Challenger speech - neither Reagan nor his speechwriters were capable of writing anything anywhere near that poetic! FW Beseler --------------------------------- Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:53 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote Ditto's...enjoyed that! I loved the narrator who reads the poem during the military flight. That video is very inspirational of flight...for me! Ken MikeD wrote: When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return. - Leonardo da Vinci High Flight Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds, and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . . Up, up the long, delirious burning blue I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace Where never lark, or ever eagle flew And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod The high untrespassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. John Gillespie Magee, Jr -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162981#162981 Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote From: "MikeD" > Those words were written by John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. > > FW Beseler > He was serving at the time, but ironically what killed him was a midair between his Spit and an RAF trainer. Apparently a witness saw him struggle out of his Spit but was not high enough to get the 'chute out. Makes me wonder at the sanity of wearing a chute in a Piet, esp. in the front cockpit. I would hope we're at about 12,000' AGL if I ever have to bail out.. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163049#163049 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:50 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vi Kapler NOw ON-LINE... Vi Kapler..... It is about dam time you get up to speed......there.... now log off and throw the dam computer away since it will only give you heartburn and many sleepless nights. Ken H dwilson wrote: Great News! Vi Kapler is now online. I am helping him set up his computer to log on and view this site. Vi & Darlean say hello. Oh! By the way, Vi got married. You should see the smile on his face. dwilson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163033#163033 Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: One Minute Waldo Pepper Trailer From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" This is great......for those of you at Brodhead last summer they showed this movie Saturday night against a hangar wall. For the res of you, you've probably see this classic. This is fun to watching during the dreary days of winter ! Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfZhXhCGwEA ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:17 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. That looks exactly like the fuel gauge in the header tank of a Piper Clipper I had. Would not surprise me at all if it was the same one. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of santiago morete Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:23 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Or you can use a fuel gauge from a Model A ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tarjeta de crdito Yahoo! de Banco Supervielle. Solicit tu nueva Tarjeta de crdito. De tu PC directo a tu casa. Visit www.tuprimeratarjeta.com.ar ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:55 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Good one John. How about Axel Olsson saying "I didn't like it very much" to Waldo regarding his first taste of wingwalking ? ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:57 PM PST US From: "Jim Malley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. The AS "Stearman type" is not difficult to modify. When you see it, you'll realize that it involves shortening the cork guides, the gauge wire and the plastic tube, the end of which will then have to be re-tapped to re-accept the drainvalve. For convenience, the markings on the tube can be redrawn to indicate fuel level both on the ground and in level flight. The tube will hang down low; if you put it to the rear and well to one side it will adequately clear the passenger's head. Jim Malley ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a bit lacking (as is the image). Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out the name in full because it just doesn't look right?) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Pie t%20060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 . Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=96. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM To: Pietenpol Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:22 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New fuel gage.. Members: In large part due to the depth and size of my tank, I am going to manufacture one for my need. I have assembled a bunch of "stuff" to make a nice fuel gage and will post photos and parts when completed. Ken H Jim Malley wrote: The AS "Stearman type" is not difficult to modify. When you see it, you'll realize that it involves shortening the cork guides, the gauge wire and the plastic tube, the end of which will then have to be re-tapped to re-accept the drainvalve. For convenience, the markings on the tube can be redrawn to indicate fuel level both on the ground and in level flight. The tube will hang down low; if you put it to the rear and well to one side it will adequately clear the passenger's head. Jim Malley ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Aircraft Spruce has what they refer to as "Stearman type" fuel sight gauges, but the description says for 8" tank depth (a bit more than your typical Pietenpol wing thickness). As I remember from a previous discussion on the List a few years ago, they used to carry a shorter version, but discontinued them. Is the Wag-Aero the shorter version? Anybody? Wag-Aero's online description is a bit lacking (as is the image). Here's a link to the Aircraft Spruce & Specialty website. (Do you think anyone at Aircraft Spruce ever gave any thought to people shortening their name to just the initials like I just typed, then backspaced and typed out the name in full because it just doesn't look right?) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/spiralaction.php Also, a couple of years ago, there was some discussion here on the list when Max Davis was working on having a limited production run of some really cool wing tank fuel gauges made by a gauge manufacturer, and got as far as a prototype before the manufacturer backed out (at least that what my brain remembers). Too bad, they would have been really nice, with a dial indicator that would only protrude an inch or so below the tank (photos at mykitplane.com in Max's photos http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=Davis%20Piet%20060404%20022.jpg&PhotoID=2583 . Bill C. --------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. I welded up a tank with the Spruce filler just like you are describing. I am going to a Piper sight gauge just like the one in my Pacer. Wag Aero sells them. Here is the link http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id'. It screws into a welded on pipe thread flange on the bottom of the tank. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Header tank help.. Members & Fellow Pieters: I have completed my header tank for my "Wide Body" Pietenpol. I used the aluminum cap and fiting supplied by Aircraft Spruce and Specialities. Question.....what are other using for fuel tank sight gages? Do they make any threaded tube gages anymore? Cork and wire can't be the only option?....... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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