---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/11/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - Re: Da Vinci/Magee/Pietenpol Motor Mounts (HelsperSew@aol.com) 2. 02:05 AM - Re: Compression struts (HelsperSew@aol.com) 3. 04:19 AM - Re: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote () 4. 05:21 AM - Re: Compression struts (Jack T. Textor) 5. 06:47 AM - Stearman-type fuel gauge (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 09:46 AM - Stearman-type fuel gauge (santiago morete) 7. 01:11 PM - Stearman-type fuel gauge (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 01:50 PM - Re: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL (John Hofmann) 9. 02:02 PM - Fw: FlyChallenger: Bad weather joke (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 10. 02:15 PM - Re: Stearman-type fuel gauge (Steve Eldredge) 11. 02:17 PM - Quotes--Redford to Axel (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 12. 02:50 PM - Drag/antidrag wire locations (Ben Charvet) 13. 05:05 PM - Re: Stearman-type fuel gauge (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 14. 08:28 PM - Re: Drag/antidrag wire locations (gcardinal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:41 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Da Vinci/Magee/Pietenpol Motor Mounts Fred, I believe the third one is meant to be a wood screw. That is what I did on mine. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:23 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Compression struts Jack, I don't understand why your spars are not the same height. I made mine exactly the same height. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote From: I never use a chute.I can't see the logic in bailing out of a perfectly good airplane such as the Piet. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MikeD Sent: February 8, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leonardo da Vinci Quote > Those words were written by John Gillespie Magee in his famous poem "High Flight." Magee was an American flying with the RAF in WW2 and was killed in action. > > FW Beseler > He was serving at the time, but ironically what killed him was a midair between his Spit and an RAF trainer. Apparently a witness saw him struggle out of his Spit but was not high enough to get the 'chute out. Makes me wonder at the sanity of wearing a chute in a Piet, esp. in the front cockpit. I would hope we're at about 12,000' AGL if I ever have to bail out.. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163049#163049 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Compression struts From: "Jack T. Textor" Thanks Dan, you answered my question. I beveled the top of each spar to avoid the "wedgies". The attached drawing shows how I constructed mine. It sound like I should place my struts based on the smaller spar dimension of 41/2 inches, which should keep them parallel. You know as one gets further along in construction, you hope not to make an error that would require a massive redo, which is why this list is so helpful! Thanks, Jack www.textors.com Jack, I don't understand why your spars are not the same height. I made mine exactly the same height. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:40 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stearman-type fuel gauge Well, I made some sketches based on Steve's description, scanned them and copied Steve's narrative to go along with the sketches. Here's the webpage: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/sightgage.html I sure hope Steve will review this for accuracy because some of it was my "creative inventing", such as the pivot hinge. Other details weren't 100% clear so I sort of drew it up as I thought it was intended, but I have NOT fabricated one of these to see if I got the drawing correct. Pretty cool! The best part is that it is flight-tested and now also proven crash-worthy ;o) The lead-in photo on the webpage doesn't show a whole lot of detail about the sight gauge but it speaks volumes about the fun you can have in a Pietenpol! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:10 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stearman-type fuel gauge Maybe this can help someone. This is the fuel gauge built by Larry Williams, veeery simple. According Larry, designed by Steve Eldredge. Saludos Santiago --------------------------------- Yahoo! Encuentros Ahora encontrar pareja es mucho ms fcil, prob el nuevo Yahoo! Encuentros. Visit http://yahoo.cupidovirtual.com/servlet/NewRegistration ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:49 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stearman-type fuel gauge Thanks to Santiago Morete, I've gotten the detail of Larry Williams' adaptation/simplification of Steve Eldredge's gauge and added it to the webpage I made: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/sightgage.html Great stuff! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:02 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Or even five to seven-hundred feet AGL "You're a good loser son, and I like good losers." You may get Mikee and I started. These quotes are funnier while watching "The Blue Max" on the hangar door at Brodhead with a smokey, single malt scotch and some popcorn. From one of the "Brathead Bunch." Do not Archive On Feb 8, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: > > Good one John. How about Axel Olsson saying "I didn't like it very > much" > > to Waldo regarding his first taste of wingwalking ? > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:10 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: FlyChallenger: Bad weather joke ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:37 PM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stearman-type fuel gauge I'm still here, but was out of touch over the weekend, besides, who would w ant ideas for a fuel gauge solution that cost only $5 and can be made from parts you have already strewn about your garage? Thought so. So here is the bill of materials (from 10 years ago, so work with me...) 36" of welding rod 8" of 1/2"rigid copper plumbing pipe 1 1/2" copper coupler (the kind you slide two pieces of pipe into before so ldering) 1-1/2" copper washer 1' clear pvc tubing A cork White spray paint Safety wire 3/8" barbed fitting A short AN5 or 6 bolt or a drain valve (optional for the deluxe model) The copper washer is soldered to the union fitting and then cut off to make a hat like fitting which can be mated to the bottom of the tank. Its purp ose is to be a receptacle for the length of copper pipe, which acts as a pr otection to the site gauge itself. I carved away a window in the pilot fac ing side of the copper pipe. Paint the inside of the copper pipe white for good contrast with the indicator. My install was similar to the illustration, with a few changes. I added a 2" diameter x 1/4" reinforcement to the bottom of the tank for the barbed f itting to screw into. I used 4 machine screws fastened through the copper fitting and tank bottom with proseal to prevent leaks. I'm sure Larry's sol utions works too, but I also put a cork on a length of welding rod, hinged on the rear wall of the tank, horizontal to the bottom of the tank. From t hat length of rod I suspended the indicator rod, aligned with the indicator hole. This way I can more accurately estimate the fuel level (one hopes) at different attitudes. Some notes after using it for ten years: Use stainless rod if you can. Moisture will eventually rust the welding ro d. The PVC tube will harden and become opaque over time. I replaced mine at about 8 years, and employed the white paint for added visibility. I put a drain in the bottom of the gauge. Water will collect there, along with some sludge. Use the safety wire to assure good leak-proof seal on both en ds of the pvc tubing. (barb, and drain ends). Make sure the indicator does n't bottom out on the drain. The PVC will shrink over time and make you wo nder how much fuel you really have. Give it an extra 1/2". Add fuel in kn own quantities and mark your gauge. Always, always fly by time, not by gau ge readings. Polish the copper at annual. It looks cool. Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stearman-type fuel gauge With all this talk of Stearman-type fuel gauges, I'm surprised that Steve E ldredge didn't pipe up with his comments. He built a clever one for his Pi et and used to have photos and a narrative of it on his website at BYU (lin ked from Grant McLaren's BPA website), but that link is now dead. If there is any interest, I can sketch out what Steve did and copy the narrative te xt onto a webpage to go with the sketches. I printed out the pictures and text back when they were on the BPA website but the picture quality is WAY too low for me to re-scan and I think I can sketch it up fairly accurately. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quotes--Redford to Axel From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" "You're a good loser son, and I like good losers." And we can't forget the insult to injury line that Axel tells to Waldo/Redford when he adds "but then again you've probably had lots of practice." Redford gets his revenge after removing Axel's wheel nuts (like some of us straight-axle guys have on our Piets) causing the wheels to fall off on takeoff. I read where they installed four casters/rollers under the two ash blocks under that straight axel gear on each side and Frank Tallman landed that plane with no wheels on a smooth asphalt landing strip very gently with no damage to the plane at all. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:04 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag/antidrag wire locations Hi all, I'm at about the same stage Jack is, that is assembling my wings. Don't want to screw this up because it would set me back months. I used the drawing in the extended fuselage plans for my lift strut attach to the spars. I drilled the holes per the plans and welded the plate across the top. Now the hole that the drag/antidrag wire bracket would attach to is about 1/4 inch below the centerline of the spar. In looking at the original plans, its not clear if the fitting is centered on the spar or not. Fortunately if I need to center that hole (the spar isn't drilled yet) I can cut 1/4 inch off the top of the fitting and reweld it. Better too long than too short. So my question is: Do all the drag/antidrag fittings need to be centered on the spar, ie will it cause some strange warping if they are off-center a little bit when I tighten them up. Feedback? Thanks in advance Ben Charvet Mims Fl NX866BC ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:04 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stearman-type fuel gauge Steve, More importantly, what vintage was the cork?..... Ken H... Steve Eldredge wrote: I'm still here, but was out of touch over the weekend, besides, who would want ideas for a fuel gauge solution that cost only $5 and can be made from parts you have already strewn about your garage? Thought so. So here is the bill of materials (from 10 years ago, so work with me...) 36" of welding rod 8" of 1/2"rigid copper plumbing pipe 1 1/2" copper coupler (the kind you slide two pieces of pipe into before soldering) 1-1/2" copper washer 1' clear pvc tubing A cork White spray paint Safety wire 3/8" barbed fitting A short AN5 or 6 bolt or a drain valve (optional for the deluxe model) The copper washer is soldered to the union fitting and then cut off to make a hat like fitting which can be mated to the bottom of the tank. Its purpose is to be a receptacle for the length of copper pipe, which acts as a protection to the site gauge itself. I carved away a window in the pilot facing side of the copper pipe. Paint the inside of the copper pipe white for good contrast with the indicator. My install was similar to the illustration, with a few changes. I added a 2" diameter x 1/4" reinforcement to the bottom of the tank for the barbed fitting to screw into. I used 4 machine screws fastened through the copper fitting and tank bottom with proseal to prevent leaks. I'm sure Larry's solutions works too, but I also put a cork on a length of welding rod, hinged on the rear wall of the tank, horizontal to the bottom of the tank. From that length of rod I suspended the indicator rod, aligned with the indicator hole. This way I can more accurately estimate the fuel level (one hopes) at different attitudes. Some notes after using it for ten years: Use stainless rod if you can. Moisture will eventually rust the welding rod. The PVC tube will harden and become opaque over time. I replaced mine at about 8 years, and employed the white paint for added visibility. I put a drain in the bottom of the gauge. Water will collect there, along with some sludge. Use the safety wire to assure good leak-proof seal on both ends of the pvc tubing. (barb, and drain ends). Make sure the indicator doesn't bottom out on the drain. The PVC will shrink over time and make you wonder how much fuel you really have. Give it an extra 1/2". Add fuel in known quantities and mark your gauge. Always, always fly by time, not by gauge readings. Polish the copper at annual. It looks cool. Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stearman-type fuel gauge With all this talk of Stearman-type fuel gauges, I'm surprised that Steve Eldredge didn't pipe up with his comments. He built a clever one for his Piet and used to have photos and a narrative of it on his website at BYU (linked from Grant McLaren's BPA website), but that link is now dead. If there is any interest, I can sketch out what Steve did and copy the narrative text onto a webpage to go with the sketches. I printed out the pictures and text back when they were on the BPA website but the picture quality is WAY too low for me to re-scan and I think I can sketch it up fairly accurately. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:46 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag/antidrag wire locations Hi Ben, Don't sweat 1/4" off center on the drag / anti-drag fittings. Your Pietenpol won't know the difference. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" > Hi all, > I'm at about the same stage Jack is, that is assembling my wings. Don't > want to screw this up because it would set me back months. I used the > drawing in the extended fuselage plans for my lift strut attach to the > spars. I drilled the holes per the plans and welded the plate across the > top. Now the hole that the drag/antidrag wire bracket would attach to is > about 1/4 inch below the centerline of the spar. In looking at the > original plans, its not clear if the fitting is centered on the spar or > not. Fortunately if I need to center that hole (the spar isn't drilled > yet) I can cut 1/4 inch off the top of the fitting and reweld it. Better > too long than too short. > > So my question is: Do all the drag/antidrag fittings need to be centered > on the spar, ie will it cause some strange warping if they are off-center > a little bit when I tighten them up. Feedback? > > Thanks in advance > > > Ben Charvet > Mims Fl > NX866BC > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.