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1. 12:28 AM - Re: Tire size (Peter W Johnson)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Tire size (gcardinal)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Key Style Mag Switch (Phillips, Jack)
4. 07:22 AM - Re: Long Fuse (Rick Holland)
5. 08:07 AM - O-ring for Matco MC5 master (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: O-ring for Matco MC5 master (Ryan Mueller)
7. 08:49 AM - GN1 - Status Plans (bhassel)
8. 08:55 AM - Newbie question about assembling the fuselage (mwhuffnagle)
9. 09:05 AM - Re: Question for Grega buliders/owners (Skip Gadd)
10. 09:35 AM - Re: Key Style Mag Switch (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
11. 09:39 AM - Re: Tire size (Skip Gadd)
12. 09:56 AM - Re: Long Fuse (Gary Boothe)
13. 09:59 AM - Wider Fuselage (T White)
14. 11:27 AM - Re: GN1 - Status Plans (Ryan Mueller)
15. 11:36 AM - Re: Wider Fuselage (Rick Holland)
16. 11:43 AM - Re: Tire size (Rick Holland)
17. 02:49 PM - Re: Newbie question about assembling the fuselage (Peter W Johnson)
18. 02:54 PM - newbie questions and wider fuselage (Dick Navratil)
19. 05:54 PM - Re: Wider Fuselage (T White)
20. 07:41 PM - Re: Wider Fuselage (Rick Holland)
21. 11:34 PM - Re: Tire size (Wizzard187@aol.com)
22. 11:45 PM - Re: Tire size (Peter W Johnson)
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Skip/Greg,
I am a low time tail dragger pilot and have so far broken three wheels
(two
ground loops and a heavy outfield landing). I am going to fit the
smaller
ones until I become significantly more proficient at landing the Piet.
I=92ll
put the wire spokes back on later. They certainly have ramp appeal but
surprisingly are more expensive to fix than a standard aircraft wheel
(not
that I plan on bending any more). The wheels themselves are very strong.
On
my local strip there are more drainage ditches, embankments and fences
that
you can shake a stick at. New wheels or change the strip!!!
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal
Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Skip,
That is a good question. I find the wire spoke wheels do more than
anything
else to add to the "ramp appeal" of the Pietenpol. Peter must have a
good
reason.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:skipgadd@earthlink.net"Skip Gadd
"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Peter, Just wondering why are you thinking of changing away from spoked
wheels?
I have 8.00 X 4 on Felix the GN-1 which I like, but going to use 21"
spokes
wheels on the Piet I'm building.
Skip
Hi Guys,
I am thinking of changing my wire spoked wheels for normal aircraft type
wheels. What tires sizes are you guys using? 15-6.00x6 or 8.00x6?
Cheers
Peter
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That's a good reason, Peter.
Cheers!
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter W Johnson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:24 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Skip/Greg,
I am a low time tail dragger pilot and have so far broken three wheels
(two ground loops and a heavy outfield landing). I am going to fit the
smaller ones until I become significantly more proficient at landing the
Piet. I=92ll put the wire spokes back on later. They certainly have ramp
appeal but surprisingly are more expensive to fix than a standard
aircraft wheel (not that I plan on bending any more). The wheels
themselves are very strong. On my local strip there are more drainage
ditches, embankments and fences that you can shake a stick at. New
wheels or change the strip!!!
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal
Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 3:16 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Skip,
That is a good question. I find the wire spoke wheels do more than
anything else to add to the "ramp appeal" of the Pietenpol. Peter must
have a good reason.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Peter, Just wondering why are you thinking of changing away from
spoked wheels?
I have 8.00 X 4 on Felix the GN-1 which I like, but going to use 21"
spokes wheels on the Piet I'm building.
Skip
Hi Guys,
I am thinking of changing my wire spoked wheels for normal aircraft
type wheels. What tires sizes are you guys using? 15-6.00x6 or 8.00x6?
Cheers PeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com
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Subject: | Key Style Mag Switch |
I got one from ebay for $1.00 (plus $3 shipping). A.S.& S. sells them
for $78.95 for their brand, or $179.95 for Bendix.
It pays to scrounge a little.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Key Style Mag Switch
Members of the list:
Anyone have information as to where I could purchase a Keyed Mag Switch?
I viewed some of these mag switches in Brodhead, WI last year and would
like to purchase one.......if one can be had! I like the style and
design.......
Ken H
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Gary
The long fuse plans are on a separate sheet titled at the bottom
"Supplementary Plans" and the fuselage side layout full lengh is 172 3/8".
Rick
On Feb 17, 2008 9:42 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Rick,
>
>
> I have Piet plans. How do I know if they are for the long version=85if no
t,
> what changes are made?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2008 3:55 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: New Member
>
>
> Hey Bob
>
> Welcome to the Pietenpol clan, I am in Castle Rock CO, and little South o
f
> Denver. You can come by any time if you make it up North sometime. Thats
> quite a leap from a Velocity to a Pietenpol (kind of like going out to bu
y a
> new 2008 Corvette Z06 and coming home with a Model T) but it sure will be
> cheaper and easier. I am building a long fuselage Piet with a Corvair.and
three piece wing (which is how most people build their wings). Flying out o
f
> a higher altitude like me you probably will need more than a C-65 for an
> engine (as most people use), but their are lots of options. The best plac
e
> for recommendations and ideas are the archives of this newsgroup. Here ar
e
> my standard newbe recommendations:
>
> - Order the basic and three piece wing plans (maybe long fuse plans)
> from Don Pietenpol (full size rib plans aren't needed IMO)
>
> - Join up with the nearest EAA chapter (can find list of all of them at
> www.eaa.org)
>
> - Order all four Tony Bingelis books (off EAA site)
>
> - Order the Mike Cuy Piet DVD and watch multiple times
>
> - If you can attend the next Pietenpol flyin at Broadhead WI the weekend
> before Oshkosh to see lots of Piets and builders
>
> - Order read Chet Peeks excellent "The Pietenpo Story" book (search Chet
> Peek in the archives for address), I just finished reading it for the thi
rd
> time last week.
>
> You will find this newsgroup to be the friendliest and most helpful on th
e
> web.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2008 2:27 PM, Bob Hassel <bob@hassel-usa.com> wrote:
>
> I've just been bitten by the Piet bug. I'm waiting a few years to start
> on a Velocity and just got bored when viola! I actually saw the video on
> the EAA website celebrating 70 years of Pietenpol's then started cruising
> the web. It wasn't until later that I realized my as of yet unread EAA m
ag
> was collecting dust with a great Piet article in it.
>
>
> I have yet to buy plans or really scan this email list. Is there any
> place a newbie can go for a general list of recommendations? Are the pla
n
> additions worth it? I was thinking of the foot extension (I'm a little o
n
> the heavy side and tall), I was also thinking of the full scale wing rib
> drawing, putting in a front door to make it easier for the boss, 3 part
> wing.
>
>
> Any recommendations, directions and/or suggestions would be gratefully
> appreciated.
>
>
> I'm located in Santa Fe, NM. I've never actually seen, sat in or flown i
n
> a Piet. I had started a Cozy MK IV (composite canard) and the emp sectio
n
> of an RV9 in the past before deciding to head off in my current direction
.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> Bob Hassel
>
> Santa Fe, NM
>
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Subject: | O-ring for Matco MC5 master |
Can someone tell me the nomenclature/specs for the Buna-N -ring that goes on the piston (plunger) of the Matco MC5 masters? I need a new one and don't want to buy the whole Matco rebuild kit just to get a 10 cent O-ring, but I don't know the specs on it and the Matco website doesn't say. It is Item 12 on the parts diagram shown here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Matcobrake.jpg
My airplane is 200 mi. from here so I can't just go out and measure it ;o) Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: O-ring for Matco MC5 master |
Oscar,
I don't know what the spec on that o-ring is, but maybe you could order just one through the Matco website. I went to http://www,matcomfg.com, and typed in MC-5 in the Product Search field and found the MC-5 rebuild kit. Clicking on that link gave a breakdown of all the parts in the kit. It would appear that the PN of 2-111 from the parts diagram would correlate with the MSC2-111 o-ring from the rebuild kit, with a price of 9 cents.
I then typed MSC2-111 into the Product Search. It came up with one result, that
9 cent o-ring, and I was able to add it to the shopping cart. You should be able
to continue with the order from there. If the shipping cost is within reason
that may be the way to go. Good luck,
Ryan
Can someone tell me the nomenclature/specs for the Buna-N -ring that goes on the piston (plunger) of the Matco MC5 masters? I need a new one and don't want to buy the whole Matco rebuild kit just to get a 10 cent O-ring, but I don't know the specs on it and the Matco website doesn't say. It is Item 12 on the parts diagram shown here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Matcobrake.jpg
My airplane is 200 mi. from here so I can't just go out and measure it ;o) Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | GN1 - Status Plans |
Does anyone know the status or availability of getting the plans for the GN1?
The web site appears broke and a previous post seems to lead to the conclusion
that the plans are no longer for sale.
Does anyone have a set of plans that they wish to sell?
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164805#164805
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Subject: | Newbie question about assembling the fuselage |
I'm a newbie, but glad to be here.
I have the two sides of the fuselage for my Air Camper built. Now comes the part
about hooking them together. I'm really puzzled about how you do that, what
order you do things in, how you support the two sides and what how pieces you
put between the two sides and how. If someone can point me in the direction
of a forum thread that already covers this, I'd really appreciate it. If not,
could someone please give me some pointers and/or photos to look at? Links
to web-sites are good, too.
Working with the sides in basically 2D was easy. Moving onto a 3D object seems
to be getting trickier.
Thanks,
Mike
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Subject: | Question for Grega buliders/owners |
Jeff,
The middle bolt on the front cross member is missing. My Grega uses a
certified airplane control system, maybe a Champ, anyway it hangs down
below the torque tube at the front stick and might interfere with the
missing bolt if it was there. The other 2 bolts are more or less in the
same place as the rear cross member.
Skip
>
>
> Skip,
>
> Thanks much. The ancient set of Grega plans that we have show various
> approaches - some figures show bolts, others don't!
>
> On your front crossmember, about where are the two bolts? Out towards
> the longerons or more--or-less dividing the crossmember into 3 equal
> spans?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
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Subject: | Key Style Mag Switch |
Thanks Jack....I will keep scrounging.
Ken
"Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com> wrote:
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$1.00 (plus $3 shipping). A.S.& S. sells them for $78.95 for their brand,
or $179.95 for Bendix.
It pays to scrounge a little.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Key Style Mag Switch
Members of the list:
Anyone have information as to where I could purchase a Keyed Mag Switch? I
viewed some of these mag switches in Brodhead, WI last year and would like to
purchase one.......if one can be had! I like the style and design.......
Ken H
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
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Peter, I understand about the expense of wire spoke wheels, I probably have more
money (and allot more time) in mine than what I could have bought a good pair
of aircraft wheels, tires and breaks from ebay for. But as the TV add says,
3 used motor cycle wheels from a junkyard $70.00, Fortal alum blanks for the hubs
$65.00, spokes and nipples from Buchanan's $220.00, learning how to turn your
own hubs on a lathe, priceless.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter W Johnson
Sent: 2/18/2008 3:37:43 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Skip/Greg,
I am a low time tail dragger pilot and have so far broken three wheels (two ground
loops and a heavy outfield landing). I am going to fit the smaller ones until
I become significantly more proficient at landing the Piet. Ill put the wire
spokes back on later. They certainly have ramp appeal but surprisingly are
more expensive to fix than a standard aircraft wheel (not that I plan on bending
any more). The wheels themselves are very strong. On my local strip there are
more drainage ditches, embankments and fences that you can shake a stick at.
New wheels or change the strip!!!
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal
Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Skip,
That is a good question. I find the wire spoke wheels do more than anything else
to add to the "ramp appeal" of the Pietenpol. Peter must have a good reason.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Peter, Just wondering why are you thinking of changing away from spoked wheels?
I have 8.00 X 4 on Felix the GN-1 which I like, but going to use 21" spokes wheels
on the Piet I'm building.
Skip
Hi Guys,
I am thinking of changing my wire spoked wheels for normal aircraft type wheels.
What tires sizes are you guys using? 15-6.00x6 or 8.00x6?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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Thanks, Rick. I see the "Supplement."
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Do not archive.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Fuse
Gary
The long fuse plans are on a separate sheet titled at the bottom
"Supplementary Plans" and the fuselage side layout full lengh is 172 3/8".
Rick
On Feb 17, 2008 9:42 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
I have Piet plans. How do I know if they are for the long version.if not,
what changes are made?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Member
Hey Bob
Welcome to the Pietenpol clan, I am in Castle Rock CO, and little South of
Denver. You can come by any time if you make it up North sometime. Thats
quite a leap from a Velocity to a Pietenpol (kind of like going out to buy a
new 2008 Corvette Z06 and coming home with a Model T) but it sure will be
cheaper and easier. I am building a long fuselage Piet with a Corvair.and
three piece wing (which is how most people build their wings). Flying out of
a higher altitude like me you probably will need more than a C-65 for an
engine (as most people use), but their are lots of options. The best place
for recommendations and ideas are the archives of this newsgroup. Here are
my standard newbe recommendations:
- Order the basic and three piece wing plans (maybe long fuse plans) from
Don Pietenpol (full size rib plans aren't needed IMO)
- Join up with the nearest EAA chapter (can find list of all of them at
www.eaa.org)
- Order all four Tony Bingelis books (off EAA site)
- Order the Mike Cuy Piet DVD and watch multiple times
- If you can attend the next Pietenpol flyin at Broadhead WI the weekend
before Oshkosh to see lots of Piets and builders
- Order read Chet Peeks excellent "The Pietenpo Story" book (search Chet
Peek in the archives for address), I just finished reading it for the third
time last week.
You will find this newsgroup to be the friendliest and most helpful on the
web.
Rick
On Feb 17, 2008 2:27 PM, Bob Hassel <bob@hassel-usa.com> wrote:
I've just been bitten by the Piet bug. I'm waiting a few years to start on
a Velocity and just got bored when viola! I actually saw the video on the
EAA website celebrating 70 years of Pietenpol's then started cruising the
web. It wasn't until later that I realized my as of yet unread EAA mag was
collecting dust with a great Piet article in it.
I have yet to buy plans or really scan this email list. Is there any place
a newbie can go for a general list of recommendations? Are the plan
additions worth it? I was thinking of the foot extension (I'm a little on
the heavy side and tall), I was also thinking of the full scale wing rib
drawing, putting in a front door to make it easier for the boss, 3 part
wing.
Any recommendations, directions and/or suggestions would be gratefully
appreciated.
I'm located in Santa Fe, NM. I've never actually seen, sat in or flown in a
Piet. I had started a Cozy MK IV (composite canard) and the emp section of
an RV9 in the past before deciding to head off in my current direction.
Thanks,
Bob
Bob Hassel
Santa Fe, NM
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I built a mockup long fuselage and while sitting in it, I feel the
cockpit is a little tight widthwise. Not wanting to build the fuselage
any wider than 24" , I am thinking about holding the 24" width to the
back of the pilots seat instead of narrowing it to 22" as the plans call
for. I've read in the archives where this was discussed, but I can't
find where anyone actually attempted it. Has anyone seen this done?
Will the longerons be overstressed? Thanks in advance for any input.
Tim White
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Subject: | Re: GN1 - Status Plans |
Bob,
I saw a set on Barnstormers this morning. Go to www.barnstormers.com, under Experimental > Pietenpol.
There's also a pretty nice looking Corvair powered Piet project for sale. All wood
work done. Looks like it needs cover and engine, and that's about it. They're
asking $4k. Too bad we already used our tax return to get rid of some debt.
It'd put us tremendously closer to flying.
Ryan
Does anyone know the status or availability of getting the plans for the GN1?
The web site appears broke and a previous post seems to lead to the conclusion
that the plans are no longer for sale.
Does anyone have a set of plans that they wish to sell?
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164805#164805
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Subject: | Re: Wider Fuselage |
Hello Tim
I built a 24" mock fuse also and thought of doing the same thing. I got no
clear answer from builders at the time whether the longerons would be
overstressed so I coughed up an extra $40 for an another sheet of ply and
built mine 26" wide from the firewall back to the rear instrument panel and
25" at the rear seatback. I also built the long fuselage version which
decreased the bend angle a bit. I soaked my longeron pieces in a long 4"
piece of PVC tubing with an end cap for a couple days before bending.
I know that provides no direct help in answering your question but one thing
I didn't consider was flying in colder weather and needing to possibly wear
a heavy coat or snowmobile suit when flying as some people on this group do.
After thinking about that I am happy that I went with a 26" fuse (of course
I am a 6' 200 lb guy, if you live in Fla. and only weight 150 lbs you may
not need the space).
On Feb 18, 2008 10:56 AM, T White <aa5flyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> I built a mockup long fuselage and while sitting in it, I feel the
> cockpit is a little tight widthwise. Not wanting to build the fuselage any
> wider than 24" , I am thinking about holding the 24" width to the back of
> the pilots seat instead of narrowing it to 22" as the plans call for. I've
> read in the archives where this was discussed, but I can't find where anyone
> actually attempted it. Has anyone seen this done? Will the longerons be
> overstressed? Thanks in advance for any input.
>
> Tim White
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Thats right Skip, as I have said many times, you are not a true Pietenpol
builder (or a real man for that matter) until you have turned your own hubs
on a lathe (and flown with em).
Rick
do not archive
On Feb 18, 2008 10:36 AM, Skip Gadd <skipgadd@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Peter, I understand about the expense of wire spoke wheels, I probably
> have more money (and allot more time) in mine than what I could have bought
> a good pair of aircraft wheels, tires and breaks from ebay for. But as the
> TV add says, 3 used motor cycle wheels from a junkyard $70.00, Fortal alum
> blanks for the hubs $65.00, spokes and nipples from Buchanan's $220.00,
> learning how to turn your own hubs on a lathe, priceless.
> Skip
>
>
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Newbie question about assembling the fuselage |
Mike,
Check out http://www.cpc-world.com.
Go to "Airframe Construction" -> "Fuselage" -> "Construction". There are
some pictures of how I jigged my fuse up when joining it together.
Hope it helps.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mwhuffnagle
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2008 3:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question about assembling the fuselage
I'm a newbie, but glad to be here.
I have the two sides of the fuselage for my Air Camper built. Now comes the
part about hooking them together. I'm really puzzled about how you do that,
what order you do things in, how you support the two sides and what how
pieces you put between the two sides and how. If someone can point me in
the direction of a forum thread that already covers this, I'd really
appreciate it. If not, could someone please give me some pointers and/or
photos to look at? Links to web-sites are good, too.
Working with the sides in basically 2D was easy. Moving onto a 3D object
seems to be getting trickier.
Thanks,
Mike
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164806#164806
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Subject: | newbie questions and wider fuselage |
First on joining the fuse, the key is of course to make it absolutly
straight. If your side jig is intact, you can use it as a jig. Start
by creating an absolutly striaight line down the center. Mark your
centers of the stations to the rearsupport of the rear cockpit. Install
blocking to prevent shifting. Temporarily install your firewall
plywood. After upper and lower cross supports to rear cockpit are in
you can bend the 2 halves together,making sure they are on the center
line. You can mark and remove a bit of material on the tail post but
not much, the finished edge wont look like what you think. Some use a
coarse 2 sided file and others have used various sanding blocks to sand.
Then you can glue and nail in your gusset plates and start adding the
rest of your cross members.
On the issue of added width. I am 5'11" and 200 lb. with a 36" waist
and hopefully holding at that. After flying the Piet I wouldnt go any
wider and dont see much reason to. The main issue for me is the length
of the rear cockpit. On my last plane, I built the long fuse model, but
then I followed the plan for the short fuse model in constructing the
bridge decks, while I moved the rear cockpit seat braces back 1" at the
bottom and then moved the top of the same brace by the same and an
additional 3/4" to recline the seat a bit for comfort. As a result of
these changes I have an additional 9" of space in the cockpit, from my
face to the instrument panel. Moving the seat back is something you
will have to deal with in w/b.
Also welcome to the list for Bob and others. It can be helpful in the
first post or so to let us know where you are located. Somebody might
be close by.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: Wider Fuselage |
Rick,
Thanks for the info. I assume you must have added the struts and
gussets after soaking and bending the longerons.
It will be a warm weather airplane.
Tim White
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wider Fuselage
Hello Tim
I built a 24" mock fuse also and thought of doing the same thing. I
got no clear answer from builders at the time whether the longerons
would be overstressed so I coughed up an extra $40 for an another sheet
of ply and built mine 26" wide from the firewall back to the rear
instrument panel and 25" at the rear seatback. I also built the long
fuselage version which decreased the bend angle a bit. I soaked my
longeron pieces in a long 4" piece of PVC tubing with an end cap for a
couple days before bending.
I know that provides no direct help in answering your question but one
thing I didn't consider was flying in colder weather and needing to
possibly wear a heavy coat or snowmobile suit when flying as some people
on this group do. After thinking about that I am happy that I went with
a 26" fuse (of course I am a 6' 200 lb guy, if you live in Fla. and only
weight 150 lbs you may not need the space).
On Feb 18, 2008 10:56 AM, T White <aa5flyer@gmail.com> wrote:
I built a mockup long fuselage and while sitting in it, I feel the
cockpit is a little tight widthwise. Not wanting to build the fuselage
any wider than 24" , I am thinking about holding the 24" width to the
back of the pilots seat instead of narrowing it to 22" as the plans call
for. I've read in the archives where this was discussed, but I can't
find where anyone actually attempted it. Has anyone seen this done?
Will the longerons be overstressed? Thanks in advance for any input.
Tim White
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Wider Fuselage |
Tim
Thanks for reminding me, I just soaked the bottom longerons before making
the fuselage sides. Before bending the two sides tail ends together I
wrapped towels soaked with warm water around the longerons just behind the
rear pilot seat where the most severe bending occured (which may or not have
been needed but it made me feel better as I pulled the tail ends together).
Rick
On Feb 18, 2008 6:52 PM, T White <aa5flyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Thanks for the info. I assume you must have added the struts and gussets
> after soaking and bending the longerons.
>
> It will be a warm weather airplane.
>
> Tim White
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 1:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Wider Fuselage
>
> Hello Tim
>
> I built a 24" mock fuse also and thought of doing the same thing. I got no
> clear answer from builders at the time whether the longerons would be
> overstressed so I coughed up an extra $40 for an another sheet of ply and
> built mine 26" wide from the firewall back to the rear instrument panel and
> 25" at the rear seatback. I also built the long fuselage version which
> decreased the bend angle a bit. I soaked my longeron pieces in a long 4"
> piece of PVC tubing with an end cap for a couple days before bending.
>
> I know that provides no direct help in answering your question but one
> thing I didn't consider was flying in colder weather and needing to possibly
> wear a heavy coat or snowmobile suit when flying as some people on this
> group do. After thinking about that I am happy that I went with a 26" fuse
> (of course I am a 6' 200 lb guy, if you live in Fla. and only weight 150
> lbs you may not need the space).
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 10:56 AM, T White <aa5flyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I built a mockup long fuselage and while sitting in it, I feel the
> > cockpit is a little tight widthwise. Not wanting to build the fuselage any
> > wider than 24" , I am thinking about holding the 24" width to the back of
> > the pilots seat instead of narrowing it to 22" as the plans call for. I've
> > read in the archives where this was discussed, but I can't find where anyone
> > actually attempted it. Has anyone seen this done? Will the longerons be
> > overstressed? Thanks in advance for any input.
> >
> > Tim White
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> >
>
>
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> ObjectAge Ltd.
> Castle Rock, Colorado
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ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Did you have to replace any props after the wheels broke? Ken in cold deep
snow Iowa
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Ken,
No, fortunately.
Cheers
Peter. 36 degrees Celsius Wonthaggi.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Wizzard187@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Did you have to replace any props after the wheels broke? Ken in cold deep
snow Iowa
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