---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/18/08: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 AM - Re: Tire size (Peter W Johnson) 2. 04:24 AM - Re: Tire size (gcardinal) 3. 04:49 AM - Re: Key Style Mag Switch (Phillips, Jack) 4. 07:22 AM - Re: Long Fuse (Rick Holland) 5. 08:07 AM - O-ring for Matco MC5 master (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: O-ring for Matco MC5 master (Ryan Mueller) 7. 08:49 AM - GN1 - Status Plans (bhassel) 8. 08:55 AM - Newbie question about assembling the fuselage (mwhuffnagle) 9. 09:05 AM - Re: Question for Grega buliders/owners (Skip Gadd) 10. 09:35 AM - Re: Key Style Mag Switch (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 11. 09:39 AM - Re: Tire size (Skip Gadd) 12. 09:56 AM - Re: Long Fuse (Gary Boothe) 13. 09:59 AM - Wider Fuselage (T White) 14. 11:27 AM - Re: GN1 - Status Plans (Ryan Mueller) 15. 11:36 AM - Re: Wider Fuselage (Rick Holland) 16. 11:43 AM - Re: Tire size (Rick Holland) 17. 02:49 PM - Re: Newbie question about assembling the fuselage (Peter W Johnson) 18. 02:54 PM - newbie questions and wider fuselage (Dick Navratil) 19. 05:54 PM - Re: Wider Fuselage (T White) 20. 07:41 PM - Re: Wider Fuselage (Rick Holland) 21. 11:34 PM - Re: Tire size (Wizzard187@aol.com) 22. 11:45 PM - Re: Tire size (Peter W Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:34 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Skip/Greg, I am a low time tail dragger pilot and have so far broken three wheels (two ground loops and a heavy outfield landing). I am going to fit the smaller ones until I become significantly more proficient at landing the Piet. I=92ll put the wire spokes back on later. They certainly have ramp appeal but surprisingly are more expensive to fix than a standard aircraft wheel (not that I plan on bending any more). The wheels themselves are very strong. On my local strip there are more drainage ditches, embankments and fences that you can shake a stick at. New wheels or change the strip!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Skip, That is a good question. I find the wire spoke wheels do more than anything else to add to the "ramp appeal" of the Pietenpol. Peter must have a good reason. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:skipgadd@earthlink.net"Skip Gadd "mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Peter, Just wondering why are you thinking of changing away from spoked wheels? I have 8.00 X 4 on Felix the GN-1 which I like, but going to use 21" spokes wheels on the Piet I'm building. Skip Hi Guys, I am thinking of changing my wire spoked wheels for normal aircraft type wheels. What tires sizes are you guys using? 15-6.00x6 or 8.00x6? Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/" \nhttp://www.cpc-world.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"http://www.matronics.c om/ Navigator?Pietenpol-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion 17/02/2008 2:39 PM 17/02/2008 2:39 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:04 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size That's a good reason, Peter. Cheers! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter W Johnson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:24 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Skip/Greg, I am a low time tail dragger pilot and have so far broken three wheels (two ground loops and a heavy outfield landing). I am going to fit the smaller ones until I become significantly more proficient at landing the Piet. I=92ll put the wire spokes back on later. They certainly have ramp appeal but surprisingly are more expensive to fix than a standard aircraft wheel (not that I plan on bending any more). The wheels themselves are very strong. On my local strip there are more drainage ditches, embankments and fences that you can shake a stick at. New wheels or change the strip!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 3:16 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Skip, That is a good question. I find the wire spoke wheels do more than anything else to add to the "ramp appeal" of the Pietenpol. Peter must have a good reason. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Gadd To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Peter, Just wondering why are you thinking of changing away from spoked wheels? I have 8.00 X 4 on Felix the GN-1 which I like, but going to use 21" spokes wheels on the Piet I'm building. Skip Hi Guys, I am thinking of changing my wire spoked wheels for normal aircraft type wheels. What tires sizes are you guys using? 15-6.00x6 or 8.00x6? Cheers PeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution Release Date: 17/02/2008 2:39 PM 17/02/2008 2:39 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Key Style Mag Switch From: "Phillips, Jack" I got one from ebay for $1.00 (plus $3 shipping). A.S.& S. sells them for $78.95 for their brand, or $179.95 for Bendix. It pays to scrounge a little. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Key Style Mag Switch Members of the list: Anyone have information as to where I could purchase a Keyed Mag Switch? I viewed some of these mag switches in Brodhead, WI last year and would like to purchase one.......if one can be had! I like the style and design....... Ken H Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:54 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Fuse Gary The long fuse plans are on a separate sheet titled at the bottom "Supplementary Plans" and the fuselage side layout full lengh is 172 3/8". Rick On Feb 17, 2008 9:42 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Rick, > > > I have Piet plans. How do I know if they are for the long version=85if no t, > what changes are made? > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland > *Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2008 3:55 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: New Member > > > Hey Bob > > Welcome to the Pietenpol clan, I am in Castle Rock CO, and little South o f > Denver. You can come by any time if you make it up North sometime. Thats > quite a leap from a Velocity to a Pietenpol (kind of like going out to bu y a > new 2008 Corvette Z06 and coming home with a Model T) but it sure will be > cheaper and easier. I am building a long fuselage Piet with a Corvair.and three piece wing (which is how most people build their wings). Flying out o f > a higher altitude like me you probably will need more than a C-65 for an > engine (as most people use), but their are lots of options. The best plac e > for recommendations and ideas are the archives of this newsgroup. Here ar e > my standard newbe recommendations: > > - Order the basic and three piece wing plans (maybe long fuse plans) > from Don Pietenpol (full size rib plans aren't needed IMO) > > - Join up with the nearest EAA chapter (can find list of all of them at > www.eaa.org) > > - Order all four Tony Bingelis books (off EAA site) > > - Order the Mike Cuy Piet DVD and watch multiple times > > - If you can attend the next Pietenpol flyin at Broadhead WI the weekend > before Oshkosh to see lots of Piets and builders > > - Order read Chet Peeks excellent "The Pietenpo Story" book (search Chet > Peek in the archives for address), I just finished reading it for the thi rd > time last week. > > You will find this newsgroup to be the friendliest and most helpful on th e > web. > > Rick > > > On Feb 17, 2008 2:27 PM, Bob Hassel wrote: > > I've just been bitten by the Piet bug. I'm waiting a few years to start > on a Velocity and just got bored when viola! I actually saw the video on > the EAA website celebrating 70 years of Pietenpol's then started cruising > the web. It wasn't until later that I realized my as of yet unread EAA m ag > was collecting dust with a great Piet article in it. > > > I have yet to buy plans or really scan this email list. Is there any > place a newbie can go for a general list of recommendations? Are the pla n > additions worth it? I was thinking of the foot extension (I'm a little o n > the heavy side and tall), I was also thinking of the full scale wing rib > drawing, putting in a front door to make it easier for the boss, 3 part > wing. > > > Any recommendations, directions and/or suggestions would be gratefully > appreciated. > > > I'm located in Santa Fe, NM. I've never actually seen, sat in or flown i n > a Piet. I had started a Cozy MK IV (composite canard) and the emp sectio n > of an RV9 in the past before deciding to head off in my current direction .. > > > Thanks, > > > Bob > > > Bob Hassel > > Santa Fe, NM > > * * > > * * > > * * > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:17 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: O-ring for Matco MC5 master Can someone tell me the nomenclature/specs for the Buna-N -ring that goes on the piston (plunger) of the Matco MC5 masters? I need a new one and don't want to buy the whole Matco rebuild kit just to get a 10 cent O-ring, but I don't know the specs on it and the Matco website doesn't say. It is Item 12 on the parts diagram shown here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Matcobrake.jpg My airplane is 200 mi. from here so I can't just go out and measure it ;o) Thanks. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:48 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-ring for Matco MC5 master Oscar, I don't know what the spec on that o-ring is, but maybe you could order just one through the Matco website. I went to http://www,matcomfg.com, and typed in MC-5 in the Product Search field and found the MC-5 rebuild kit. Clicking on that link gave a breakdown of all the parts in the kit. It would appear that the PN of 2-111 from the parts diagram would correlate with the MSC2-111 o-ring from the rebuild kit, with a price of 9 cents. I then typed MSC2-111 into the Product Search. It came up with one result, that 9 cent o-ring, and I was able to add it to the shopping cart. You should be able to continue with the order from there. If the shipping cost is within reason that may be the way to go. Good luck, Ryan Can someone tell me the nomenclature/specs for the Buna-N -ring that goes on the piston (plunger) of the Matco MC5 masters? I need a new one and don't want to buy the whole Matco rebuild kit just to get a 10 cent O-ring, but I don't know the specs on it and the Matco website doesn't say. It is Item 12 on the parts diagram shown here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Matcobrake.jpg My airplane is 200 mi. from here so I can't just go out and measure it ;o) Thanks. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN1 - Status Plans From: "bhassel" Does anyone know the status or availability of getting the plans for the GN1? The web site appears broke and a previous post seems to lead to the conclusion that the plans are no longer for sale. Does anyone have a set of plans that they wish to sell? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164805#164805 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question about assembling the fuselage From: "mwhuffnagle" I'm a newbie, but glad to be here. I have the two sides of the fuselage for my Air Camper built. Now comes the part about hooking them together. I'm really puzzled about how you do that, what order you do things in, how you support the two sides and what how pieces you put between the two sides and how. If someone can point me in the direction of a forum thread that already covers this, I'd really appreciate it. If not, could someone please give me some pointers and/or photos to look at? Links to web-sites are good, too. Working with the sides in basically 2D was easy. Moving onto a 3D object seems to be getting trickier. Thanks, Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164806#164806 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:19 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question for Grega buliders/owners Jeff, The middle bolt on the front cross member is missing. My Grega uses a certified airplane control system, maybe a Champ, anyway it hangs down below the torque tube at the front stick and might interfere with the missing bolt if it was there. The other 2 bolts are more or less in the same place as the rear cross member. Skip > > > Skip, > > Thanks much. The ancient set of Grega plans that we have show various > approaches - some figures show bolts, others don't! > > On your front crossmember, about where are the two bolts? Out towards > the longerons or more--or-less dividing the crossmember into 3 equal > spans? > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:07 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Key Style Mag Switch Thanks Jack....I will keep scrounging. Ken "Phillips, Jack" wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I got one from ebay for $1.00 (plus $3 shipping). A.S.& S. sells them for $78.95 for their brand, or $179.95 for Bendix. It pays to scrounge a little. Jack Phillips NX899JP --------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 2:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Key Style Mag Switch Members of the list: Anyone have information as to where I could purchase a Keyed Mag Switch? I viewed some of these mag switches in Brodhead, WI last year and would like to purchase one.......if one can be had! I like the style and design....... Ken H Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:15 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Peter, I understand about the expense of wire spoke wheels, I probably have more money (and allot more time) in mine than what I could have bought a good pair of aircraft wheels, tires and breaks from ebay for. But as the TV add says, 3 used motor cycle wheels from a junkyard $70.00, Fortal alum blanks for the hubs $65.00, spokes and nipples from Buchanan's $220.00, learning how to turn your own hubs on a lathe, priceless. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter W Johnson Sent: 2/18/2008 3:37:43 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Skip/Greg, I am a low time tail dragger pilot and have so far broken three wheels (two ground loops and a heavy outfield landing). I am going to fit the smaller ones until I become significantly more proficient at landing the Piet. Ill put the wire spokes back on later. They certainly have ramp appeal but surprisingly are more expensive to fix than a standard aircraft wheel (not that I plan on bending any more). The wheels themselves are very strong. On my local strip there are more drainage ditches, embankments and fences that you can shake a stick at. New wheels or change the strip!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Skip, That is a good question. I find the wire spoke wheels do more than anything else to add to the "ramp appeal" of the Pietenpol. Peter must have a good reason. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Gadd Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Peter, Just wondering why are you thinking of changing away from spoked wheels? I have 8.00 X 4 on Felix the GN-1 which I like, but going to use 21" spokes wheels on the Piet I'm building. Skip Hi Guys, I am thinking of changing my wire spoked wheels for normal aircraft type wheels. What tires sizes are you guys using? 15-6.00x6 or 8.00x6? Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution Release Date: 17/02/2008 2:39 PM 17/02/2008 2:39 PM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:33 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Long Fuse Thanks, Rick. I see the "Supplement." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Do not archive. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Fuse Gary The long fuse plans are on a separate sheet titled at the bottom "Supplementary Plans" and the fuselage side layout full lengh is 172 3/8". Rick On Feb 17, 2008 9:42 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Rick, I have Piet plans. How do I know if they are for the long version.if not, what changes are made? Gary Boothe Cool, CA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Member Hey Bob Welcome to the Pietenpol clan, I am in Castle Rock CO, and little South of Denver. You can come by any time if you make it up North sometime. Thats quite a leap from a Velocity to a Pietenpol (kind of like going out to buy a new 2008 Corvette Z06 and coming home with a Model T) but it sure will be cheaper and easier. I am building a long fuselage Piet with a Corvair.and three piece wing (which is how most people build their wings). Flying out of a higher altitude like me you probably will need more than a C-65 for an engine (as most people use), but their are lots of options. The best place for recommendations and ideas are the archives of this newsgroup. Here are my standard newbe recommendations: - Order the basic and three piece wing plans (maybe long fuse plans) from Don Pietenpol (full size rib plans aren't needed IMO) - Join up with the nearest EAA chapter (can find list of all of them at www.eaa.org) - Order all four Tony Bingelis books (off EAA site) - Order the Mike Cuy Piet DVD and watch multiple times - If you can attend the next Pietenpol flyin at Broadhead WI the weekend before Oshkosh to see lots of Piets and builders - Order read Chet Peeks excellent "The Pietenpo Story" book (search Chet Peek in the archives for address), I just finished reading it for the third time last week. You will find this newsgroup to be the friendliest and most helpful on the web. Rick On Feb 17, 2008 2:27 PM, Bob Hassel wrote: I've just been bitten by the Piet bug. I'm waiting a few years to start on a Velocity and just got bored when viola! I actually saw the video on the EAA website celebrating 70 years of Pietenpol's then started cruising the web. It wasn't until later that I realized my as of yet unread EAA mag was collecting dust with a great Piet article in it. I have yet to buy plans or really scan this email list. Is there any place a newbie can go for a general list of recommendations? Are the plan additions worth it? I was thinking of the foot extension (I'm a little on the heavy side and tall), I was also thinking of the full scale wing rib drawing, putting in a front door to make it easier for the boss, 3 part wing. Any recommendations, directions and/or suggestions would be gratefully appreciated. I'm located in Santa Fe, NM. I've never actually seen, sat in or flown in a Piet. I had started a Cozy MK IV (composite canard) and the emp section of an RV9 in the past before deciding to head off in my current direction. Thanks, Bob Bob Hassel Santa Fe, NM -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:07 AM PST US From: "T White" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wider Fuselage I built a mockup long fuselage and while sitting in it, I feel the cockpit is a little tight widthwise. Not wanting to build the fuselage any wider than 24" , I am thinking about holding the 24" width to the back of the pilots seat instead of narrowing it to 22" as the plans call for. I've read in the archives where this was discussed, but I can't find where anyone actually attempted it. Has anyone seen this done? Will the longerons be overstressed? Thanks in advance for any input. Tim White ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:53 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN1 - Status Plans Bob, I saw a set on Barnstormers this morning. Go to www.barnstormers.com, under Experimental > Pietenpol. There's also a pretty nice looking Corvair powered Piet project for sale. All wood work done. Looks like it needs cover and engine, and that's about it. They're asking $4k. Too bad we already used our tax return to get rid of some debt. It'd put us tremendously closer to flying. Ryan Does anyone know the status or availability of getting the plans for the GN1? The web site appears broke and a previous post seems to lead to the conclusion that the plans are no longer for sale. Does anyone have a set of plans that they wish to sell? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164805#164805 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:37 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wider Fuselage Hello Tim I built a 24" mock fuse also and thought of doing the same thing. I got no clear answer from builders at the time whether the longerons would be overstressed so I coughed up an extra $40 for an another sheet of ply and built mine 26" wide from the firewall back to the rear instrument panel and 25" at the rear seatback. I also built the long fuselage version which decreased the bend angle a bit. I soaked my longeron pieces in a long 4" piece of PVC tubing with an end cap for a couple days before bending. I know that provides no direct help in answering your question but one thing I didn't consider was flying in colder weather and needing to possibly wear a heavy coat or snowmobile suit when flying as some people on this group do. After thinking about that I am happy that I went with a 26" fuse (of course I am a 6' 200 lb guy, if you live in Fla. and only weight 150 lbs you may not need the space). On Feb 18, 2008 10:56 AM, T White wrote: > I built a mockup long fuselage and while sitting in it, I feel the > cockpit is a little tight widthwise. Not wanting to build the fuselage any > wider than 24" , I am thinking about holding the 24" width to the back of > the pilots seat instead of narrowing it to 22" as the plans call for. I've > read in the archives where this was discussed, but I can't find where anyone > actually attempted it. Has anyone seen this done? Will the longerons be > overstressed? Thanks in advance for any input. > > Tim White > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:17 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Thats right Skip, as I have said many times, you are not a true Pietenpol builder (or a real man for that matter) until you have turned your own hubs on a lathe (and flown with em). Rick do not archive On Feb 18, 2008 10:36 AM, Skip Gadd wrote: > Peter, I understand about the expense of wire spoke wheels, I probably > have more money (and allot more time) in mine than what I could have bought > a good pair of aircraft wheels, tires and breaks from ebay for. But as the > TV add says, 3 used motor cycle wheels from a junkyard $70.00, Fortal alum > blanks for the hubs $65.00, spokes and nipples from Buchanan's $220.00, > learning how to turn your own hubs on a lathe, priceless. > Skip > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:41 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question about assembling the fuselage Mike, Check out http://www.cpc-world.com. Go to "Airframe Construction" -> "Fuselage" -> "Construction". There are some pictures of how I jigged my fuse up when joining it together. Hope it helps. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mwhuffnagle Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2008 3:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question about assembling the fuselage I'm a newbie, but glad to be here. I have the two sides of the fuselage for my Air Camper built. Now comes the part about hooking them together. I'm really puzzled about how you do that, what order you do things in, how you support the two sides and what how pieces you put between the two sides and how. If someone can point me in the direction of a forum thread that already covers this, I'd really appreciate it. If not, could someone please give me some pointers and/or photos to look at? Links to web-sites are good, too. Working with the sides in basically 2D was easy. Moving onto a 3D object seems to be getting trickier. Thanks, Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164806#164806 2:39 PM 2:39 PM ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:45 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: newbie questions and wider fuselage First on joining the fuse, the key is of course to make it absolutly straight. If your side jig is intact, you can use it as a jig. Start by creating an absolutly striaight line down the center. Mark your centers of the stations to the rearsupport of the rear cockpit. Install blocking to prevent shifting. Temporarily install your firewall plywood. After upper and lower cross supports to rear cockpit are in you can bend the 2 halves together,making sure they are on the center line. You can mark and remove a bit of material on the tail post but not much, the finished edge wont look like what you think. Some use a coarse 2 sided file and others have used various sanding blocks to sand. Then you can glue and nail in your gusset plates and start adding the rest of your cross members. On the issue of added width. I am 5'11" and 200 lb. with a 36" waist and hopefully holding at that. After flying the Piet I wouldnt go any wider and dont see much reason to. The main issue for me is the length of the rear cockpit. On my last plane, I built the long fuse model, but then I followed the plan for the short fuse model in constructing the bridge decks, while I moved the rear cockpit seat braces back 1" at the bottom and then moved the top of the same brace by the same and an additional 3/4" to recline the seat a bit for comfort. As a result of these changes I have an additional 9" of space in the cockpit, from my face to the instrument panel. Moving the seat back is something you will have to deal with in w/b. Also welcome to the list for Bob and others. It can be helpful in the first post or so to let us know where you are located. Somebody might be close by. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:54 PM PST US From: "T White" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wider Fuselage Rick, Thanks for the info. I assume you must have added the struts and gussets after soaking and bending the longerons. It will be a warm weather airplane. Tim White ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wider Fuselage Hello Tim I built a 24" mock fuse also and thought of doing the same thing. I got no clear answer from builders at the time whether the longerons would be overstressed so I coughed up an extra $40 for an another sheet of ply and built mine 26" wide from the firewall back to the rear instrument panel and 25" at the rear seatback. I also built the long fuselage version which decreased the bend angle a bit. I soaked my longeron pieces in a long 4" piece of PVC tubing with an end cap for a couple days before bending. I know that provides no direct help in answering your question but one thing I didn't consider was flying in colder weather and needing to possibly wear a heavy coat or snowmobile suit when flying as some people on this group do. After thinking about that I am happy that I went with a 26" fuse (of course I am a 6' 200 lb guy, if you live in Fla. and only weight 150 lbs you may not need the space). On Feb 18, 2008 10:56 AM, T White wrote: I built a mockup long fuselage and while sitting in it, I feel the cockpit is a little tight widthwise. Not wanting to build the fuselage any wider than 24" , I am thinking about holding the 24" width to the back of the pilots seat instead of narrowing it to 22" as the plans call for. I've read in the archives where this was discussed, but I can't find where anyone actually attempted it. Has anyone seen this done? Will the longerons be overstressed? Thanks in advance for any input. Tim White -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:35 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wider Fuselage Tim Thanks for reminding me, I just soaked the bottom longerons before making the fuselage sides. Before bending the two sides tail ends together I wrapped towels soaked with warm water around the longerons just behind the rear pilot seat where the most severe bending occured (which may or not have been needed but it made me feel better as I pulled the tail ends together). Rick On Feb 18, 2008 6:52 PM, T White wrote: > Rick, > > Thanks for the info. I assume you must have added the struts and gussets > after soaking and bending the longerons. > > It will be a warm weather airplane. > > Tim White > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 1:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Wider Fuselage > > Hello Tim > > I built a 24" mock fuse also and thought of doing the same thing. I got no > clear answer from builders at the time whether the longerons would be > overstressed so I coughed up an extra $40 for an another sheet of ply and > built mine 26" wide from the firewall back to the rear instrument panel and > 25" at the rear seatback. I also built the long fuselage version which > decreased the bend angle a bit. I soaked my longeron pieces in a long 4" > piece of PVC tubing with an end cap for a couple days before bending. > > I know that provides no direct help in answering your question but one > thing I didn't consider was flying in colder weather and needing to possibly > wear a heavy coat or snowmobile suit when flying as some people on this > group do. After thinking about that I am happy that I went with a 26" fuse > (of course I am a 6' 200 lb guy, if you live in Fla. and only weight 150 > lbs you may not need the space). > > On Feb 18, 2008 10:56 AM, T White wrote: > > > I built a mockup long fuselage and while sitting in it, I feel the > > cockpit is a little tight widthwise. Not wanting to build the fuselage any > > wider than 24" , I am thinking about holding the 24" width to the back of > > the pilots seat instead of narrowing it to 22" as the plans call for. I've > > read in the archives where this was discussed, but I can't find where anyone > > actually attempted it. Has anyone seen this done? Will the longerons be > > overstressed? Thanks in advance for any input. > > > > Tim White > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:13 PM PST US From: Wizzard187@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Did you have to replace any props after the wheels broke? Ken in cold deep snow Iowa **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:33 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Ken, No, fortunately. Cheers Peter. 36 degrees Celsius Wonthaggi. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wizzard187@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Did you have to replace any props after the wheels broke? 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