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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Re: Spruce Purchase (T White)
2. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: Spruce Purchase (Gary Boothe)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: Tapered Spar Scare (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Spruce Purchase (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 54 Msgs - 02/20/08 (tbyh@aol.com)
6. 07:31 AM - off topic - Mosquito (Bill Church)
7. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Tapered Spar Scare (John Hofmann)
8. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: Spruce Purchase (MaxHegler)
9. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Spruce Purchase (Rick Holland)
10. 11:20 AM - Re: Piet - GN! differences (jimd)
11. 12:20 PM - Re: Piet building (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
12. 12:26 PM - Re: Piet building (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
13. 12:40 PM - Re: Piet building (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
14. 01:35 PM - Question (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
15. 01:36 PM - Re: Spruce Purchase (Perry Rhoads)
16. 01:45 PM - Re: Question (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
17. 01:53 PM - Re: Piet building (Brian Kraut)
18. 02:04 PM - Re: Piet building (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
19. 03:14 PM - Re: Tapered Spar Scare (walt evans)
20. 03:40 PM - Re: Piet building (carson)
21. 03:57 PM - Re: Tapered Spar Scare (James)
22. 05:17 PM - Spruce Alternatives (Gary Boothe)
23. 05:27 PM - Re: Tapered Spar Scare (Don Emch)
24. 05:50 PM - Re: Tapered Spar Scare (Glenn Thomas)
25. 07:30 PM - Re: Spruce Alternatives (Owen Davies)
26. 08:08 PM - Re: Spruce Alternatives (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: Spruce Purchase |
Received my wood kit from ACS last month, same experience as Rick.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
I bought the Pietenpol wood kit from ACS. The wood quality was
excellent and provided all the wood I needed except for all ply, rib
material, leading and trailing edges. My Piet is the long fuselage
version.
Rick
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Catdesigns <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
wrote:
<Catdesigns@comcast.net>
Steve,
I just ordered wood for my wings from Aircraft Spruce. From my
review of the Pietenpol Air Camper spruce kit, it does not include
material for the wing tip, leading edge or trailing edge of the wing.
It also does not include the wing rib material. I'm not sure how well
the kit matches up with the fuselage needs as I did not buy my fuselage
wood from them.
=BE-inch x 4 =BD-inch spars are used by BHP on the last plane he
built and are use by many people. I was going to go with the 1-inch but
decided to go with =BE-inch (for cost) and shims at the ribs.
Per the plans, the wing ribs are made form 1/4-inch x 1/2-inch.
You will need to order this separately. ACS has a note that says the
ribs are built based on the HP of your engine. This is not true for the
Pietenpol. This must be from the Grega plans. They also sell a Grega
kit so make sure your looking at the right one.
If you order from then have them send you a copy of the material in
the kit and compare it to your own list of stuff. It is rather simple
to sit down with the plans and get a ruff estimate of what you need.
By the way don't forget about plywood. You will need some for both
the wings and fuselage.
Chris
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Subject: | Re: Spruce Purchase |
Clif,
I think I assumed that laminating was 'required' for structural reasons. If
not, I probably would not go down that road. But it seems to me that I would
have much better luck finding smaller pieces without flaws, and laminating
for that reason.
I'll have to think about your question of laminating for 'looks.' That may
be something I would like...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
Two questions. Are you laminating for looks,as in dark/light
woods or for structural reasons? Or possibly you have some
material that is too small you want to use up? Oops, that's
three. :-)
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
>
> Cliff,
>
> You're reading my mind. I am also interested in wood struts. Do you know
> of
> any guidelines for laminating the struts?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
> Dawson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:22 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
>
>
> Hemlock for everything done so far, fuse, tail feathers,
> ribs and cabane struts. Close grain Fir for LG legs as
> Hemlock isn't available in the proper size. I'm leaning
> towards laminated fir for the spars.
>
> It's not generaly known that many Dehaviland Mosquito's
> were built with both Doug Fir and Western Hemlock as
> even then Spruce was in short supply.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOhZEsIq85E&mode=related&search
>
> http://clifdawson.ca/Pientenpol.html
>
> Go to Tools+Tips-bottom of page-for charts on wood
> strength.
>
> Clif
>
>>
>> Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is
>> considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can
>> be
>> used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> Cool, CA
>
>
> --
> 8:45 PM
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tapered Spar Scare |
Truly words to live by, I am going to post this in my office for reference
in dealing with the business world, I may even add a few:
Words of reassurance and appearence: We don't want to disconcert the masses
now do we son ,
Consoling a co worker following the meeting : you're a good looser and I
like good looser's. I bet you've had a lot of practice.
Exercising creativity and improvising solutions: The lake Axle, the Lake
Humility: No I cant say that I'm the best pilot in the world Scooter, I
would have to say Earnst Kessler the German flying Ace is the best, I'm the
second best pilot in the world
Exploring options: Will it do an outside loop?
John
In a message dated 2/20/2008 11:00:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann
<jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
John R,
Now you've got the spirit! All of life's problems can be solved
through "The Great Waldo Pepper."
Greet Strangers: "Hello Good People!"
Protect Wimminfolk: "He's a Four-Flusher Mary Beth."
Learn about culture: "Duke, into the opera singer costume"
Become a new entrepreneur: "You take this to the gas station every
time I need it and at the end of the day I'll give you a free ride."
Lessons in advertising: "I knew she wasn't worth top billing."
Learn about sharing: "Nebraska is mine!"
Return from a business trip: "Look who's home."
Advanced aircraft design: "It's gonna be a monoplane."
ALL of life's questions and problems solved.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:00 PM, AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: AmsafetyC@aol.com
>
> Ezra. Its not a biplane!
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:22:29
> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered Spar Scare
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann
<jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
> >
>
> A one inch spar failing in compression from a bevel?
> Brown Gravy?
> "The IT Girl of the Sky?"
>
> It must be time to level this discussion with a quote:
>
> "I Haven't had an unlimited budget you know. It's not going to look
> look like something out of a museum, all clean and dusted. I'm a
> designer and I don't give a d@nm about clean. That's what's so unique
> about this plane, the design. Concentrate on that. The Design. Well,
> there it is, the Stiles Skystreak."
>
> -Ezra Stiles-
>
> You may now return to serious Pietenpol discussion.
>
> -john (the idiot)-
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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Subject: | Re: Spruce Purchase |
Gary,
I have not had any problems meeting the specs, the only problem so far is
trying to find the best of the stack for my Piet, The only thing I have
encountered so far is that straight board once ripped, the rips can change shape
and
twist, but that only happened in one piece of stock the rest has had a nice
straight consistent grain with few knots and nice growth ring pattern. I an
still working with my initial stock purchase of poplar which I spent $89.00 and
have all my structural pieces complete in addition to the turtle deck and
still have some left.
I just really love working with it. the coloration differences are
perplexing in that it changes along a board or inside of rip can take on a green
color. I have not noticed any weakness or changes in strength, ply ability or
bonding capability. I think its a great alternative to the more expensive woods,
sitka spruce and with a minimal penalty in weight it matches up really good
in the wood charts as an alternative.
John
In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gboothe@calply.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
John,
Just wondering, are you finding it difficult to find poplar that fits the
grain description in 43.13?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AmsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
I am using poplar in my build and rather pleased with it from all aspects.
Except of course my newly acquired allergic reaction to it. Just my luck it
takes a few days of misery to get past the love of the build
All in all poplar is amazing stuff to work with strong, stable, readily
available fro the local wood guy and a lot less expensive. Has all the
makings of perfect.
John Recine
Lititz pa
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is
considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can be
used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
Just noticed I made a mistake in my previous email. My spars are are
3/4-inch by 4 3/4-inch.
Also, shipping from Corona to Sacramento, $110 (estimated by them). I
cant drive down there for less then $110. Frequently I get hit with $15 to
$20 shipping on small boxes so this sounded good to me.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165264#165264
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 54 Msgs - 02/20/08 |
I saw a reference to the WW2 DeHavilland Mosquito - my favorite plane of all
time. (I sometimes dream of=C2-building a 2/3- scale Mosquito using a pai
r of Jaguar V-12 engines...but that's another story!)
Yes, the 400+ mph Mosquitos were built of a plywood/balsa/plywood sandwich -
- and I am proud to say that the plywood came from the Roddis Veneer Company
in Marshfield, Wisconsin. This=C2-company continues in business today as
Marshfield Door Systems. During WW2 Roddis also supplied=C2-plywood for us
e in the Avro Anson twin-engine training plane and for other uses including
the floor in the WW2 Waco assault gliders and=C2-for building PT boats.
There is currently a traveling display touring the country that is called "W
isconsin's Flying Trees." It tells the story of the plywood industry's contr
ibution to the WW2 war effort.
Through March 19, 2008,=C2-it=C2-is at the Silent Wings Museum in Lubboc
k, Texas. Here is the schedule for the rest of the year:
April 1 =93 June 30, 2008
Yanks Aviation Museum
=C2-Chino, California
July 1 =93 September, 2008
National WWII Museum, New Orleans
October =93 December, 2008
Wisconsin Veterans=99 Museum
Madison, WI
May, 2009
Deke Slayton Museum
Sparta, WI
I haven't seen the display yet, but I hear that it is terrific. If you live
near Lubbock, Chino, New Orleans or in Wisconsin, be sure to=C2-check out
this display. Will make you proud to be building a Pietenpol using wood! The
exhibit is sponsored by the Hamilton Roddis Foundation through the Camp 5 L
ogging Museum in Laona, Wis.
For more information, check these sites:=C2-
http://www.chipsandsawdust.com/articles/rodply_article.html
http://www.ci.lubbock.tx.us/newsPage.aspx?ID=2361
Meanwhile, here on Wisconsin's "west coast" I got my=C2-Piet's motor mount
s (Model A Ford) installed earlier this week! Thanks to Ken Perkins for the
gorgeous welded steel=C2-parts! And the=C2-white ash proved to me that I
need a bigger, more powerful table saw. Guess that's why they make baseball
bats and hockey sticks out of white ash!
=C2-
Best regards to all,
Fred Beseler
La Crosse, WI=C2-
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: | off topic - Mosquito |
For fans of the graceful, wooden DeHavilland Mosquito, recently referred
to in a couple of postings to the list, here's a link that may be of
interest:
http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/pm.php?id=record_detail&fl=0&lg=English
&ex=0
0000192
(photo 111 of 225 is ... interesting.)
I've long been a fan of this aircraft, having had a model of one (built
by my Dad) hung below the ceiling light in my room as a child.
Bill C.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Tapered Spar Scare |
Excellent my friend!
Don't forget the salute to the Yankee work ethic: "That don't seem
right. Shootin' down Americans, that don't make a man a hero to me. An
honest days work, not that's what I call special."
Now get back to building. I, for one, am off to North Carolina today
to visit Jack Phillips and to check out my new addition to the family
in the form of a J-3. It ain't a Piet but it will be at Brodhead.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:27 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> Truly words to live by, I am going to post this in my office for
> reference in dealing with the business world, I may even add a few:
>
> Words of reassurance and appearence: We don't want to disconcert the
> masses now do we son ,
>
> Consoling a co worker following the meeting : you're a good looser
> and I like good looser's. I bet you've had a lot of practice.
>
> Exercising creativity and improvising solutions: The lake Axle, the
> Lake
>
> Humility: No I cant say that I'm the best pilot in the world
> Scooter, I would have to say Earnst Kessler the German flying Ace
> is the best, I'm the second best pilot in the world
>
> Exploring options: Will it do an outside loop?
>
> John
>
>
> In a message dated 2/20/2008 11:00:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
> writes:
> >
>
> John R,
>
> Now you've got the spirit! All of life's problems can be solved
> through "The Great Waldo Pepper."
>
> Greet Strangers: "Hello Good People!"
>
> Protect Wimminfolk: "He's a Four-Flusher Mary Beth."
>
> Learn about culture: "Duke, into the opera singer costume"
>
> Become a new entrepreneur: "You take this to the gas station every
> time I need it and at the end of the day I'll give you a free ride."
>
> Lessons in advertising: "I knew she wasn't worth top billing."
>
> Learn about sharing: "Nebraska is mine!"
>
> Return from a business trip: "Look who's home."
>
> Advanced aircraft design: "It's gonna be a monoplane."
>
> ALL of life's questions and problems solved.
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:00 PM, AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Ezra. Its not a biplane!
> >
> > John
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
> >
> > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:22:29
> > To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tapered Spar Scare
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > A one inch spar failing in compression from a bevel?
> > Brown Gravy?
> > "The IT Girl of the Sky?"
> >
> > It must be time to level this discussion with a quote:
> >
> > "I Haven't had an unlimited budget you know. It's not going to look
> > look like something out of a museum, all clean and dusted. I'm a
> > designer and I don't give a d@nm about clean. That's what's so
> unique
> > about this plane, the design. Concentrate on that. The Design. Well,
> > there it is, the Stiles Skystreak."
> >
> > -Ezra Stiles-
> >
> > You may now return to serious Pietenpol discussion.
> >
> > -john (the idiot)-
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
> AOL Living.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Spruce Purchase |
Poplar is also rot and insect resistant like cedar and cypress. My house,
built in 1875 has never had any exterior or interior boards replaced until I
cut out an opening for a door. The wood still had a green tint where I cut
it. Good stuff!
Max
On 2/21/08 7:40 AM, "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I have not had any problems meeting the specs, the only problem so far is
> trying to find the best of the stack for my Piet, The only thing I have
> encountered so far is that straight board once ripped, the rips can change
> shape and twist, but that only happened in one piece of stock the rest has had
> a nice straight consistent grain with few knots and nice growth ring pattern.
> I an still working with my initial stock purchase of poplar which I spent
> $89.00 and have all my structural pieces complete in addition to the turtle
> deck and still have some left.
>
> I just really love working with it. the coloration differences are perplexing
> in that it changes along a board or inside of rip can take on a green color.
I
> have not noticed any weakness or changes in strength, ply ability or bonding
> capability. I think its a great alternative to the more expensive woods, sitka
> spruce and with a minimal penalty in weight it matches up really good in the
> wood charts as an alternative.
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> gboothe@calply.com writes:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Just wondering, are you finding it difficult to find poplar that fits the
>> grain description in 43.13?
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> Cool, CA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> AmsafetyC@aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:39 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
>>
>>
>> I am using poplar in my build and rather pleased with it from all aspects.
>> Except of course my newly acquired allergic reaction to it. Just my luck it
>> takes a few days of misery to get past the love of the build
>>
>> All in all poplar is amazing stuff to work with strong, stable, readily
>> available fro the local wood guy and a lot less expensive. Has all the
>> makings of perfect.
>>
>> John Recine
>> Lititz pa
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:43:03
>> To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is
>> considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can be
>> used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> Cool, CA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:30 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
>>
>>
>> Just noticed I made a mistake in my previous email. My spars are are
>> 3/4-inch by 4 3/4-inch.
>>
>> Also, shipping from Corona to Sacramento, $110 (estimated by them). I
>> cant drive down there for less then $110. Frequently I get hit with $15 to
>> $20 shipping on small boxes so this sounded good to me.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> --------
>> Chris Tracy
>> WestCoastPiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165264#165264
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
>> <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duf
>> fy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: Spruce Purchase |
Talking about cedar, have seen several Piet rib sets build of cedar
including a set for sale at Broadhead.
Rick
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:47 AM, MaxHegler <MaxHegler@msn.com> wrote:
> Poplar is also rot and insect resistant like cedar and cypress. My
> house, built in 1875 has never had any exterior or interior boards replaced
> until I cut out an opening for a door. The wood still had a green tint
> where I cut it. Good stuff!
>
> Max
>
>
> On 2/21/08 7:40 AM, "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
> I have not had any problems meeting the specs, the only problem so far is
> trying to find the best of the stack for my Piet, The only thing I have
> encountered so far is that straight board once ripped, the rips can change
> shape and twist, but that only happened in one piece of stock the rest has
> had a nice straight consistent grain with few knots and nice growth ring
> pattern. I an still working with my initial stock purchase of poplar which I
> spent $8900 and have all my structural pieces complete in addition to the
> turtle deck and still have some left.
>
>
> I just really love working with it. the coloration differences are
> perplexing in that it changes along a board or inside of rip can take on a
> green color. I have not noticed any weakness or changes in strength, ply
> ability or bonding capability. I think its a great alternative to the more
> expensive woods, sitka spruce and with a minimal penalty in weight it
> matches up really good in the wood charts as an alternative.
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> gboothe@calply.com writes:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
>
> John,
>
> Just wondering, are you finding it difficult to find poplar that fits the
> grain description in 43.13?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]<owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com%5D> On Behalf Of
> AmsafetyC@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:39 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
>
>
> I am using poplar in my build and rather pleased with it from all
> aspects.
> Except of course my newly acquired allergic reaction to it. Just my luck
> it
> takes a few days of misery to get past the love of the build
>
> All in all poplar is amazing stuff to work with strong, stable, readily
> available fro the local wood guy and a lot less expensive. Has all the
> makings of perfect.
>
> John Recine
> Lititz pa
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:43:03
> To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
>
>
>
> Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is
> considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can
> be
> used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]<owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com%5D> On Behalf Of Catdesigns
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:30 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
>
> Catdesigns@comcast.net>
>
> Just noticed I made a mistake in my previous email. My spars are are
> 3/4-inch by 4 3/4-inch.
>
> Also, shipping from Corona to Sacramento, $110 (estimated by them). I
> cant drive down there for less then $110. Frequently I get hit with $15
> to
> $20 shipping on small boxes so this sounded good to me.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165264#165264
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet - GN! differences |
There is a brief discussion of the differences on the www.westcoastpiet.com site. Also it is a great place to look around at both Grega's and Pietenpol's in various stages of construction. The Grega's have GN-1 listed by the names. (Most the really neat stuff is under photos.)
Jim
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Subject: | Re: Piet building |
John, and other pieters....
I called the magazine company (EAA) and they said they would send me a copy at
no charge.
I say give them a call and see if they can send you a copy..
Ken
AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
Dick
That must be a common builders thing I too have some piet pics hanging in my shop
for inspitation. I have not seen your cover shot, I don't get the mag I am
certain they would be disapointing after seeing your build in Broadhead this past
year. Certainly an impressive piece of work and a great build an inspiration
to us all.
John Recine
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil"
To:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet building
Again, thanks to all on the comments on my new plane.
I would like to remind everyone to go back to the Sport Aviation 1999 issue with
the P-51 on the cover. The pics there of Mike Cuy's Piet still are posted in
my hangar. Jack Phillips and Larry Williams also had nice spreads in the past.
Mike Cuy and Chuck Ganzer both have nice videos on building and flying the Piet.
While building watching these videos can be a great source of inspiration.
For all new builders, try to set aside time to make it to Brodhead, Wi. for the
Piet fly in. It happens just before OSH and you get to meet lots of the people
on this list.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
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Subject: | Re: Piet building |
Ken,
ya got a phone number we can use?
John
In a message dated 2/21/2008 3:21:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
John, and other pieters....
I called the magazine company (EAA) and they said they would send me a copy
at no charge.
I say give them a call and see if they can send you a copy..
Ken
AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: AmsafetyC@aol.com
Dick
That must be a common builders thing I too have some piet pics hanging in my
shop for inspitation. I have not seen your cover shot, I don't get the mag I
am certain they would be disapointing after seeing your build in Broadhead
this past year. Certainly an impressive piece of work and a great build an
inspiration to us all.
John Recine
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil"
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
____________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Piet building |
John,
Here is the number I called and she is sending me the magazine.
Sport Aviation Magazine Email :: 920-426-6516
Ken
AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
Ken,
ya got a phone number we can use?
John
In a message dated 2/21/2008 3:21:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
writes:
John, and other pieters....
I called the magazine company (EAA) and they said they would send me a copy at
no charge.
I say give them a call and see if they can send you a copy..
Ken
AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
Dick
That must be a common builders thing I too have some piet pics hanging in my shop
for inspitation. I have not seen your cover shot, I don't get the mag I am
certain they would be disapointing after seeing your build in Broadhead this past
year. Certainly an impressive piece of work and a great build an inspiration
to us all.
John Recine
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil" "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your
eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
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"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
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Fellow Pieters:
Does fiberglass deteriorate in gas after time? Specifically a fiberglass rod
such as a driveway marker?
Ken H
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Subject: | Re: Spruce Purchase |
.
With all the discussion on purchasing wood and wood kits, does anyone
have experience with Western Aircraft supply in Canada. They seem to be
very knowledgeable on Pietenpol's and it sounds like a very complete
kit. Naturally, the shipping to me here in the Midwest is an issue.
Any expereriences with them?
Perry Rhoads
Illinois
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce Purchase
There is an Excel spreadsheet wood list for the extended fuselage
which is posted on Mykitplane:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=4
Maybe someone with a bit more experience could take a look and see if
it seems correct. It is very handy for estimating cost, as you can just
plug the current prices in and it will recalculate.
Ryan
HelsperSew@aol.com wrote:
Steve,
I would definitely NOT buy my spruce from the lumber list provided
by ACS. You are best to develop your own lumber list. BTW , ACS has
their "bargain bag of spruce" which is a very good buy. I actually
bought two of these before I was finished with my wood work. You can
make many parts out of the pieces that they send you, especially if you
have a planer.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Ken,
In the old days anything would deteriorate in gasoline in time, nowadays
with the alcohol component and the new gasoline formulations is shelf life is
about 30 days I am told I would doubt that after 45 days its not even gasoline
anymore. I would run a trial and see what you get. I suspect the worst would
be the varnish and gunk which may be more of the fuel than the fiber glass.
You can go to the post manufacturer and request an MSDS to see what it is not
compatable. That too will give you some good info and quickly.
John
In a message dated 2/21/2008 4:35:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
Fellow Pieters:
Does fiberglass deteriorate in gas after time? Specifically a fiberglass rod
such as a driveway marker?
Ken H
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Most magazines, and I believe SA also, will sell high quality prints of any
pictures that have been in their magazine for a pretty reasonable price and
in various different sizes.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA,
CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:18 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet building
John, and other pieters....
I called the magazine company (EAA) and they said they would send me a
copy at no charge.
I say give them a call and see if they can send you a copy..
Ken
AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
Dick
That must be a common builders thing I too have some piet pics hanging
in my shop for inspitation. I have not seen your cover shot, I don't get the
mag I am certain they would be disapointing after seeing your build in
Broadhead this past year. Certainly an impressive piece of work and a great
build an inspiration to us all.
John Recine
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil"
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
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Subject: | Re: Piet building |
I called and spoke with Mary Jones, my copy is in the mail, thanks to Ken. I
told her about the impact, she was surprised to hear from me the second
Pieter this week. She also took the time to tell me she was sending a new
membership kit in case I was interested in renewing my expired membership.
Naturally that's gonna happen just haven't gotten to it in the past
John
In a message dated 2/21/2008 4:55:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brian.kraut@engalt.com writes:
Most magazines, and I believe SA also, will sell high quality prints of any
pictures that have been in their magazine for a pretty reasonable price and
in various different sizes.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet building
John, and other pieters....
I called the magazine company (EAA) and they said they would send me a copy
at no charge.
I say give them a call and see if they can send you a copy..
Ken
AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: AmsafetyC@aol.com
Dick
That must be a common builders thing I too have some piet pics hanging in my
shop for inspitation. I have not seen your cover shot, I don't get the mag I
am certain they would be disapointing after seeing your build in Broadhead
this past year. Certainly an impressive piece of work and a great build an
inspiration to us all.
John Recine
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil"
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
____________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Tapered Spar Scare |
Dear Brown,
If the rib is securely glued to the spar, the taper, in the calculation,
disappears, I think.
In my print, the fwd spar had a gusset that fit the flat spar, and the rear
needed a small wedge to fill the void. If you build to the print, it's
fine.
Whew, in the last few weeks everyone is trying to reinvent the
wheel,,,well in this case Bernard's prints.
Build to the prints and you'll be fine
Build to the prints and you'll be fine
Build to the prints and you'll be fine
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tapered Spar Scare
> <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Everybody
>
> It's been a long time since I've contributed anything to the list. I've
> been reading the postings quietly, but recently the question of tapering
> the top of the spars to match the profile of the wing section has bothered
> me. I'm concerned that tapering the spars my lead to a concentration of
> compression forces at the tip of the taper and result to failure of the
> spar. Has anyone done an analysis of the tapered spars?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165034#165034
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet building |
Hi
Could one of you kind gentleman do me a favor and call and get me a copy sent out
with a membership pack as well.It would be greatly appreciated.
Address is
Carson Vella
38 Bell Rd
Glasshouse mountains
Queensland 4518
Australia
Thanks in advance
Carson
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Subject: | Tapered Spar Scare |
Build to the prints and you'll not fit in it?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tapered Spar Scare
Dear Brown,
If the rib is securely glued to the spar, the taper, in the calculation,
disappears, I think.
In my print, the fwd spar had a gusset that fit the flat spar, and the rear
needed a small wedge to fill the void. If you build to the print, it's
fine.
Whew, in the last few weeks everyone is trying to reinvent the
wheel,,,well in this case Bernard's prints.
Build to the prints and you'll be fine
Build to the prints and you'll be fine
Build to the prints and you'll be fine
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tapered Spar Scare
> <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Everybody
>
> It's been a long time since I've contributed anything to the list.
> I've
> been reading the postings quietly, but recently the question of tapering
> the top of the spars to match the profile of the wing section has bothered
> me. I'm concerned that tapering the spars my lead to a concentration of
> compression forces at the tip of the taper and result to failure of the
> spar. Has anyone done an analysis of the tapered spars?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165034#165034
>
>
>
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Subject: | Spruce Alternatives |
That's a great testimony, Max!
In the last few days, 3 alternatives have been mentioned: Pine, Fir and
Poplar. Is everyone who is using a Spruce alternative using Fir for the
spars?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MaxHegler
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
Poplar is also rot and insect resistant like cedar and cypress. My house,
built in 1875 has never had any exterior or interior boards replaced until I
cut out an opening for a door. The wood still had a green tint where I cut
it. Good stuff!
Max
On 2/21/08 7:40 AM, "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
Gary,
I have not had any problems meeting the specs, the only problem so far is
trying to find the best of the stack for my Piet, The only thing I have
encountered so far is that straight board once ripped, the rips can change
shape and twist, but that only happened in one piece of stock the rest has
had a nice straight consistent grain with few knots and nice growth ring
pattern. I an still working with my initial stock purchase of poplar which I
spent $8900 and have all my structural pieces complete in addition to the
turtle deck and still have some left.
I just really love working with it. the coloration differences are
perplexing in that it changes along a board or inside of rip can take on a
green color. I have not noticed any weakness or changes in strength, ply
ability or bonding capability. I think its a great alternative to the more
expensive woods, sitka spruce and with a minimal penalty in weight it
matches up really good in the wood charts as an alternative.
John
In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gboothe@calply.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
John,
Just wondering, are you finding it difficult to find poplar that fits the
grain description in 43.13?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com%5d> On Behalf Of
AmsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
I am using poplar in my build and rather pleased with it from all aspects.
Except of course my newly acquired allergic reaction to it. Just my luck it
takes a few days of misery to get past the love of the build
All in all poplar is amazing stuff to work with strong, stable, readily
available fro the local wood guy and a lot less expensive. Has all the
makings of perfect.
John Recine
Lititz pa
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is
considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can
be
used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
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Catdesigns
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
Just noticed I made a mistake in my previous email. My spars are are
3/4-inch by 4 3/4-inch.
Also, shipping from Corona to Sacramento, $110 (estimated by them). I
cant drive down there for less then $110. Frequently I get hit with $15 to
$20 shipping on small boxes so this sounded good to me.
Chris
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Dear Walt,
AMEN to that!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Tapered Spar Scare |
Testimonial....
I met Walt in NJ 2 summers ago. After showing me his plane he was kind and
generous enough to take me for a ride. I am about 210lbs which he told me
is lighter than some of his other passengers. The plane climbed nicely and
we (at least I) had a GREAT time. That was all made possible by Walt's
sticking to the plans and building one of the lightest Piets around... 595
lbs!!!! That was my best lesson in learning to resist temptations to
reengineer the plans.
At 210 I still had no problem in the front seat. I think if the Piet is too
tight a squeeze for you it probably makes more sense to get yourself down to
the right size than bring the Piet up to the wrong size. ...and the wing
didn't break on that windy, bumpy day.
On 2/21/08, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Brown,
> If the rib is securely glued to the spar, the taper, in the calculation,
> disappears, I think.
> In my print, the fwd spar had a gusset that fit the flat spar, and the
> rear
> needed a small wedge to fill the void. If you build to the print, it's
> fine.
>
> Whew, in the last few weeks everyone is trying to reinvent the
> wheel,,,well in this case Bernard's prints.
> Build to the prints and you'll be fine
> Build to the prints and you'll be fine
> Build to the prints and you'll be fine
>
>
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
> Ben Franklin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brown Gravy" <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:48 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tapered Spar Scare
>
>
> > <mjs.browngravy@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello Everybody
> >
> > It's been a long time since I've contributed anything to the list. I've
> > been reading the postings quietly, but recently the question of tapering
> > the top of the spars to match the profile of the wing section has
> bothered
> > me. I'm concerned that tapering the spars my lead to a concentration of
> > compression forces at the tip of the taper and result to failure of the
> > spar. Has anyone done an analysis of the tapered spars?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165034#165034
> >
> >
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> >
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>
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Glenn Thomas
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Subject: | Re: Spruce Alternatives |
Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Thats a great testimony, Max!
>
> In the last few days, 3 alternatives have been mentioned: Pine, Fir
> and Poplar. Is everyone who is using a Spruce alternative using Fir
> for the spars?
>
Let's add the fourth alternative: plywood web. I haven't decided yet
which to use. Not pine, but poplar would do well. One fellow I chatted
with some years ago was using hemlock, and another planned to use Port
Orford cedar. Both seemed reasonable choices.
Owen
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Subject: | Re: Spruce Alternatives |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce PurchaseFour. You forgot Hemlock. As per
AC43.13-1B, strength
"slightly exceeds Spruce. If I could get it in the necessary
size I would use it for spars. It's all made into mill-work.
Clif
"If I had 8 hours to cut down a tree,,,I'd spend the first 6 sharpening
the axe"
ABE LINCOLN
That's a great testimony, Max!
In the last few days, 3 alternatives have been mentioned: Pine, Fir
and Poplar. Is everyone who is using a Spruce alternative using Fir for
the spars?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
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MaxHegler
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:48 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
Poplar is also rot and insect resistant like cedar and cypress. My
house, built in 1875 has never had any exterior or interior boards
replaced until I cut out an opening for a door. The wood still had a
green tint where I cut it. Good stuff!
Max
On 2/21/08 7:40 AM, "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
Gary,
I have not had any problems meeting the specs, the only problem so far
is trying to find the best of the stack for my Piet, The only thing I
have encountered so far is that straight board once ripped, the rips can
change shape and twist, but that only happened in one piece of stock the
rest has had a nice straight consistent grain with few knots and nice
growth ring pattern. I an still working with my initial stock purchase
of poplar which I spent $8900 and have all my structural pieces complete
in addition to the turtle deck and still have some left.
I just really love working with it. the coloration differences are
perplexing in that it changes along a board or inside of rip can take on
a green color. I have not noticed any weakness or changes in strength,
ply ability or bonding capability. I think its a great alternative to
the more expensive woods, sitka spruce and with a minimal penalty in
weight it matches up really good in the wood charts as an alternative.
John
In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gboothe@calply.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"
<gboothe@calply.com>
John,
Just wondering, are you finding it difficult to find poplar that fits
the
grain description in 43.13?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AmsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:39 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
I am using poplar in my build and rather pleased with it from all
aspects.
Except of course my newly acquired allergic reaction to it. Just my
luck it
takes a few days of misery to get past the love of the build
All in all poplar is amazing stuff to work with strong, stable,
readily
available fro the local wood guy and a lot less expensive. Has all
the
makings of perfect.
John Recine
Lititz pa
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:43:03
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
<gboothe@calply.com>
Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is
considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir
can be
used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Catdesigns
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:30 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase
<Catdesigns@comcast.net>
Just noticed I made a mistake in my previous email. My spars are are
3/4-inch by 4 3/4-inch.
Also, shipping from Corona to Sacramento, $110 (estimated by them).
I
cant drive down there for less then $110. Frequently I get hit with
$15 to
$20 shipping on small boxes so this sounded good to me.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
WestCoastPiet.com
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