---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/24/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Re: Center Struts (Skip Gadd) 2. 08:42 AM - Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib (Jack T. Textor) 3. 09:15 AM - Re: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib (Ben Charvet) 4. 10:51 AM - Re: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib (Richard Schreiber) 5. 10:56 AM - Re: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib (Jack T. Textor) 6. 11:18 AM - Re: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib (Isablcorky@aol.com) 7. 11:30 AM - Re: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib () 8. 01:39 PM - Re: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib (Richard Schreiber) 9. 03:02 PM - Re: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib (Jack T. Textor) 10. 03:05 PM - Fuel tank question (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 11. 03:23 PM - Re: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib () 12. 04:56 PM - Re: Question (MikeD) 13. 06:57 PM - Skiing (Don Emch) 14. 07:08 PM - All points bulletin for Jim Markle (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 07:44 PM - Re: Skiing (Rick Holland) 16. 07:59 PM - Re: Skiing (Don Emch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:45 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Center Struts Gary, Yes, Just change the geometry, like Rick said. You pretty much have to leave the attach points the same as they should coincide with the uprights in the fuse side. Skip Hales Landing West Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: 2/23/2008 9:11:49 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Center Struts Skip, Thanks! That was Mr. Pietenpols advice, too. Did you leave the attach points the same and just change the geometry? Gary Boothe Cool, CA From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Center Struts Gary, Bill Rewey says to move the axle forward 3" if you have brakes, thats what I did. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe He went on to discuss moving the landing gear forward about 4, but I dont think very many have. Thanks, Gary http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib From: "Jack T. Textor" I've cut out the rib where it interferes with the strap and 3/32 ply. What is everyone else doing about the bottom 3/16" bolt that interferes with the rib? Thanks! Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:49 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib I noticed that interference before I drilled the brackets, and moved the hole (and bolt) inboard so it would clear. It sounds like you and I are at the same stage in our projects. I've been studying the archives for trammeling advice, and hope to paint the hardware for my left wing this afternoon. Ben Charvet Jack T. Textor wrote: > > Ive cut out the rib where it interferes with the strap and 3/32 ply. > What is everyone else doing about the bottom 3/16 bolt that > interferes with the rib? > > Thanks! > > Jack > > www.textors.com > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:34 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Jack: I sheeted the 2 inboard ribs with 1/16 ply wood. I then cut and removed the lower portion of the vertical 1/4 x 1/2 spruce member so that it only contacts the spar where it is sheeted with the 3/32 ply. I then opened up the 1/16 ply sheeting enough to allow for clearance on the lower 3/16" bolt. I have completed my right wing and am actually attaching the inboard straps today. I just took a couple of photos which I will attach Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, In ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor Sent: 2/24/2008 10:45:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Ive cut out the rib where it interferes with the strap and 3/32 ply. What is everyone else doing about the bottom 3/16 bolt that interferes with the rib? Thanks! Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib From: "Jack T. Textor" Thanks Ben, I was thinking the same but may brace the rib with ply to allow access to the bolt. After checking your progress on Chris's site, your fuselage is further along than mine. Good luck with squaring the wing. Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:46 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Ben, A little trammeling advise if I may: Be sure your compression struts are precisely the same length. I added an additional comp strut at the outer terminals Make your cables with a few threads showing when first drawn up semitight. Tram a little, tighten a little, tram again, tighten. When cables are tight to your satisfaction, tune them. If you are non musical find a friend or neighbor who plays guitar and ask their help Corky **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib From: I set my cables up to my AME standards which were to a thud, thud sound. I'm not sure which tone you are looking for but I doubt if there is a tuning fork that goes that low. He also manufactured these neat little round fibreglass spacers to go in between the two where they meet so they won't rub on one another and eventually break. Some of these old guys are pretty crafty. I say he's old; he's really only ten years older than me but that's old eh. I'm 61 years young. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: February 24, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Ben, A little trammeling advise if I may: Be sure your compression struts are precisely the same length. I added an additional comp strut at the outer terminals Make your cables with a few threads showing when first drawn up semitight. Tram a little, tighten a little, tram again, tighten. When cables are tight to your satisfaction, tune them. If you are non musical find a friend or neighbor who plays guitar and ask their help Corky ________________________________ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:33 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Jack, Let me revise what I said. As you can see from the photos my 3/32 sheeting on the spar only extends about 1/2 above the strap. The vertical rib member only comes down to the top edge of the plywood sheeting on the spar. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber Sent: 2/24/2008 12:57:10 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Jack: I sheeted the 2 inboard ribs with 1/16 ply wood. I then cut and removed the lower portion of the vertical 1/4 x 1/2 spruce member so that it only contacts the spar where it is sheeted with the 3/32 ply. I then opened up the 1/16 ply sheeting enough to allow for clearance on the lower 3/16" bolt. I have completed my right wing and am actually attaching the inboard straps today. I just took a couple of photos which I will attach Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, In ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor Sent: 2/24/2008 10:45:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Ive cut out the rib where it interferes with the strap and 3/32 ply. What is everyone else doing about the bottom 3/16 bolt that interferes with the rib? Thanks! Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:49 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib From: "Jack T. Textor" Rick, Thanks so much for the help and pictures! Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Jack: I sheeted the 2 inboard ribs with 1/16 ply wood. I then cut and removed the lower portion of the vertical 1/4 x 1/2 spruce member so that it only contacts the spar where it is sheeted with the 3/32 ply. I then opened up the 1/16 ply sheeting enough to allow for clearance on the lower 3/16" bolt. I have completed my right wing and am actually attaching the inboard straps today. I just took a couple of photos which I will attach Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, In ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 2/24/2008 10:45:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib I've cut out the rib where it interferes with the strap and 3/32 ply. What is everyone else doing about the bottom 3/16" bolt that interferes with the rib? Thanks! Jack www.textors.com < FONT> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:02 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank question Members: Any suggestions on the set-up and hanging of the header tank in the piet? Is most using two strap material, belting, or ?? If so, any photos of how you are attaching the sides?? Just asking....... Village idiot Ken H Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:27 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint strap-intference with root rib Could you forward the pictures please? Would appreciate it very much. Lynn Knoll Wichita Piet/Vair dknoll@cox.net ---- "Jack T. Textor" wrote: > Rick, > > Thanks so much for the help and pictures! > > Jack > > > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint > strap-intference with root rib > > > > Jack: > > > > I sheeted the 2 inboard ribs with 1/16 ply wood. I then cut and > removed the lower portion of the vertical 1/4 x 1/2 spruce member so > that it only contacts the spar where it is sheeted with the 3/32 ply. I > then opened up the 1/16 ply sheeting enough to allow for clearance on > the lower 3/16" bolt. > > > > I have completed my right wing and am actually attaching the > inboard straps today. I just took a couple of photos which I will attach > > > > Rick Schreiber > > Valparaiso, In > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jack T. Textor > > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Sent: 2/24/2008 10:45:47 AM > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar butt joint joint > strap-intference with root rib > > > > I've cut out the rib where it interferes with the strap > and 3/32 ply. What is everyone else doing about the bottom 3/16" bolt > that interferes with the rib? > > Thanks! > > Jack > > www.textors.com > > > > < FONT> > > -- Lynn ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question From: "MikeD" Amsafetyc wrote: > > > I guess you have never had to clean a carburetor that was gunked up form old fuel. > > > From personal experience with my motorcycle I know that to be true! > > So what exactly are your disputing in my slightly exaggerated statement of 45 day no longer being gasoline? > > John > Yeah I have. I know over time there is separation, I didn't argue that. But also intrusion of water in polyethylene containers, which is increased by the presence of alcohol AFAIK, which is an issue dependent on storage conditions. That also affects model engine fuels based on methanol, though most people use up a poly gallon jug in short enough time not to have worries. Whatever bit of experience I have comes from motorcycles and small engines too. "my slightly exaggerated statement of 45 day no longer being gasoline?" Ah I see, you were exaggerating a bit. Well, I thought 45 days was a little too quick from my experience. If you meant to exaggerate then I missed that completely (gesture of low flying jet over my head)! -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166021#166021 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skiing From: "Don Emch" Just thought I'd share a couple of shots of my day spent skiing today. Just when I thought I had as much fun as I could have with the Piet I borrowed these skis from Frank Pavliga. What a ball! I think I'm going to try to copy these skis. When I get some measurements made up I could share them with others if interested. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166044#166044 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/skiflyin_005_139.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/skiflyin_004_678.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/skiflyin_003_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/skiflyin_001_125.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:39 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: All points bulletin for Jim Markle I know ,I should know better, but some times one gets too engrossed in the conversation to pay attention to details. I had a visit from Jim Markel today he visited me at my shop where he gave me the once over, we had great discussion about Piets, designs and modifications build progress all the things that builders discuss having limited time. We went out had pizza and continued the discussion over beer the adult beverage of builders he suckered my into paying for it, I fell for the old where is the men'sIts room trick and still thought nothing of it. We returned to my shop where we shook hands and he drove away, I went back into my shop low and behold something just didn't look quite right. I wnet to rip a piece of lumber and noticed I couldn't, my table saw was missing, gone disappeared just gone. I know I locked the shop and I remember Jim asking a bunch of questions about it, was it new? how much did I pay for it? How do you collapse the legs to uses the pull around wheels and finally how much doe it weigh? can one man move it easily? I paid no attention to his questions I just thought he like the saw and was considering getting one like it. I didn't not realize he was sizing it up because he wanted not one like mine, he wanted my saw. That rascal, I sure am glad my wife wasn't there she would be missing too and I really liked that saw! Had the pleasure of Jim's company this afternoon, I really enjoy meeting with him over beer and pizza the ambassador and I have had several meeting over beer and found we have a common piet interest and builders affinity, yup its beer! No question about it. Its always a pleasure to meet with Jim a gentlemen and good friend, NOW where's my SAW? I wish him safe travels and hope to see him again soon. I WANT MY SAW BACK NOW! John **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:22 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skiing Looks like fun Don, did you have to do anything with your tailwheel? Rick On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > Just thought I'd share a couple of shots of my day spent skiing today. > Just when I thought I had as much fun as I could have with the Piet I > borrowed these skis from Frank Pavliga. What a ball! I think I'm going to > try to copy these skis. When I get some measurements made up I could share > them with others if interested. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166044#166044 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/skiflyin_005_139.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/skiflyin_004_678.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/skiflyin_003_191.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/skiflyin_001_125.jpg > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Skiing From: "Don Emch" No I just dragged it around. Next year I'll make a ski for it because the airstrips get rough when they are all frozen up and the wheel doesn't glide over them the way a ski does. 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