---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/29/08: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Re: Power setting question.Power setting question. (Tim) 2. 05:18 AM - Re: Another newbie looking for advise (Jack T. Textor) 3. 05:24 AM - Re: Spruce Alternatives (Gary Boothe) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Corvair engine drawing file (Gene & Tammy) 5. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Skiing (Aaron Gustafson) 6. 07:17 AM - Re: Power setting question.Power setting question. (Ben Charvet) 7. 07:35 AM - Re: Continental engine drawing file (bike.mike) 8. 09:31 AM - Re: Spruce Alternatives (Owen Davies) 9. 10:27 AM - welcome John (Douwe Blumberg) 10. 12:18 PM - Re: Wood nose cowl disc (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 11. 02:49 PM - Re: Wood nose cowl disc (walt evans) 12. 02:52 PM - food for thought (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 13. 02:54 PM - Re: Wood nose cowl disc (walt evans) 14. 04:09 PM - Re: food for thought (Don Emch) 15. 04:51 PM - Re: Wood nose cowl disc (Bill Church) 16. 05:41 PM - Re: food for thought (Glenn Thomas) 17. 05:57 PM - Re: food for thought (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 18. 06:13 PM - Re: food for thought (walt evans) 19. 06:21 PM - Re: food for thought (jimboyer@hughes.net) 20. 06:22 PM - Re: food for thought (gliderx5@comcast.net) 21. 06:56 PM - Re: food for thought (Gary Boothe) 22. 07:30 PM - Re: food for thought (MikeD) 23. 08:23 PM - Re: food for thought (Michael Silvius) 24. 08:57 PM - Please come visit!!! (shad bell) 25. 09:13 PM - Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers (shad bell) 26. 09:13 PM - Re: food for thought (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=) 27. 09:16 PM - Re: Please come visit!!! (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:56 AM PST US From: Tim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Power setting question.Power setting question. Gentlemen, Thanks for the response. New to the board so please forgive any 'miss-steps'. I guess I didn't do a very good job in framing my question. I was told that full throttle on the start of the take roll would impart to much torque on the plane and probably cause control problems. From what I've read so far full throttle right from the start is the way to go. Thanks again for the advise, it's always welcome. I'm sure I'll have a bunch of other questions. Tim ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:15 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie looking for advise From: "Jack T. Textor" Jim, Have you considered McCormick Lumber in Madison? I heard they got a new load of rough sawn spruce in. Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:26 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spruce Alternatives Cliff, I=92m not sure where you are going with this argument. AC43.13 specifically states that =93=85solid spars may be replaced with laminated ones or vice versa=85=94 There is no mention of switching grain direction when doing laminations; so if one prefers to switch direction ' it=92s OK; if one prefers not to switch direction, it=92s OK, too. There may be some validity to your argument, I don=92t know, but apparently the FAA isn=92t concerned, which should be good enough for any of us. Gary Boothe Cool, CA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce Alternatives Having the grain varied will help with warping but you're still dealing with tension at one cap and compression at the other. In wood compression strength is less than tensile so there will be failure in compression first. This means that the compressive strength of the wood is the deciding factor. You can't make that stronger by laying plies in any direction. In fact, if you make it like plywood, with the layers at 90=B0 or even 45=B0, it WILL be weaker in the lengthwise direction. And that is the primary direction the stresses line up with. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce Alternatives Cliff Instead of having a one ply grain with only one orientation of the grain, stacking plys with grain running in different directions would add strength and limit the possibility of warping.. Same principal as plywood vs regular board. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce Alternatives What would make it stronger? Clif Bill I may be wrong about this, but I would disagree on that point as stated. If a spar is built up of 3/4x3/34 laminations to a height of 4 1/4" with staggered joints and grain which is alternated, the total beam will be much stronger than the wood it is made of. Dick N. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:38 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine drawing file Rob, After checking your site (looks great!) I would guess you took up where Mike left off. Have they ever determined what caused the crash that killed Mike and his student? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine drawing file > > > Oscar, > Sounds good to me. Right now I am concentrating on building ribs 12 to go, > and then getting the fuselage up on the gear. I have the typical tail > wheel, > and the gear is welded but I need to get wheels and tires brakes etc. > When this is done I will get an engine mount welded up and then I will be > ready for the engine drawings. So, please keep me in mind. > Regards from Alaska. > www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net is my current website, but soon I will also > have one for the Piet. > RS > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar > Zuniga > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:39 AM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine drawing file > > > > Rob; > > When the time comes for you to start looking at your Corvair engine in > AutoCAD or other drawing program, ping me again. I think I may be able to > help with some CAD files or 3-views of the Corvair. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > -- > 12:00 AM > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:22 AM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Skiing I made a set of slip-on tips for pulling my Kolb backwards. Just plywood and sheet metal. Worked real good and no shoveling. Aaron G. >> I can drag it backwards fairly easily if it is on level snow. At first I >> was shoveling snow into >>the hangar to move it in and out. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:30 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Power setting question.Power setting question. Tim, Now that you've rephrased your question it makes more sense. The throttle should be eased in slowly as you accelerate down the runway, but at full throttle as you lift off, or before. I'm using a Stromberg on my A-75 in the Baby Ace, and if you jam the throttle open rapidly the engine stumbles a little before going to full RPM. Do you have any tailwheel time? If not it would be a good idea to find someone to give some dual instruction before your first flight. Good luck! Ben Tim wrote: > > Gentlemen, > Thanks for the response. New to the board so please forgive any > 'miss-steps'. I guess I didn't do a very good job in framing my > question. I was told that full throttle on the start of the take roll > would impart to much torque on the plane and probably cause control > problems. From what I've read so far full throttle right from the > start is the way to go. Thanks again for the advise, it's always > welcome. I'm sure I'll have a bunch of other questions. > Tim > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:35 AM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental engine drawing file RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental engine drawing fileFor those of us running older versions of AutoCad, a .dxf file would be much more useful than the .dwg created by the newer versions. .dxf is a quick and easy export conversion. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental engine drawing file Rob, I can't remember where I got this from, but attached is a JPEG of an Autocad drawing of the corvair engine, as well as the DWG file. Bill C. <<...>> <<...>> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:38 AM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce Alternatives Gary Boothe wrote: > > Im not sure where you are going with this argument. AC43.13 > specifically states that solid spars may be replaced with laminated > ones or vice versa > > There is no mention of switching grain direction when doing > laminations; so if one prefers to switch direction its OK; if one > prefers not to switch direction, its OK, too. > > There may be some validity to your argument, I dont know, but > apparently the FAA isnt concerned, which should be good enough for > any of us. > As you confess in your third sentence, you "don't know." To repair that flaw, please find a copy of Bruce Hoadley's classic "Understanding Wood." If you prefer not to pay for some cheap insurance, it should be available in any good library. Actually, it turns out that you don't even need to look at Hoadley. A quick Google search turned up http://www.auf.asn.au/scratchbuilder/timber.html. It has a very decent discussion of how to use wood in an airplane spar. That page is part of a broader discussion of aircraft materials and practices at http://www.auf.asn.au/scratchbuilder/contents.html. It's well worth a look, even for the experienced builders. Use your wood in whatever grain orientation appeals to you. But put some effort into understanding the issues involved in making that choice. Sigh. I hate falling for this sort of thing, but there is always a chance that it's not just a troll. The writer could be serious. Owen ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:48 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome John Welcome John, Wanted to welcome a fellow Kentuckian, and say that you're welcome to come visit my Piet (90% done) anytime you want and to talk all things Piet anytime. I live south of Cincinatti, so I'm a bit over an hour from you. Jim Kinsella also has a beautiful Piet stabled in Louisville and I'm sure he'd love to show you his, and when the weather improves would likely give you a ride. Give me a call or drop me an email. Douwe (Dow) 805 573 3564 cell douweblumberg@earthlink.net Jim's number is 502 681 3415 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:56 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood nose cowl disc Just an observation: In the 1933 Flying Manual and the cutaway of the Scout (page 38), it shows the wooden disc as an integral part of the cowling. I'm wondering why the Air Camper would be any different... Ron In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:48:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltdak@verizon.net writes: No the pine disc is used just to fabricate the cowling from the fuse forward to the prop. then the pine disc goes away, to the box of "old airplane jigs" which only brings memories in the future years. walt evans NX140DL **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:08 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood nose cowl disc I used the wooded disc on the nosebowl of my A65 to center the prop shaft to the fwd cowl piece. And , after removed it. If this is not the case for the Model A, I take it back. But can't imagine you'd be flying with a piece of wood in the fwd cowling. Anyone know? walt evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood nose cowl disc Just an observation: In the 1933 Flying Manual and the cutaway of the Scout (page 38), it shows the wooden disc as an integral part of the cowling. I'm wondering why the Air Camper would be any different... Ron In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:48:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltdak@verizon.net writes: No the pine disc is used just to fabricate the cowling from the fuse forward to the prop. then the pine disc goes away, to the box of "old airplane jigs" which only brings memories in the future years. walt evans NX140DL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:29 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: food for thought As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather than work on our own builds. The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have heard has been done on an occasion or 2. Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars, garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not interested need not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the sharing without obligation I or we just thought it would be good to have such a list the a weary traveler may use to make contact while in the area. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to accomplish that task. John Recine Lititz PA The consummate newbee builder,always something I can learn ! **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:26 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood nose cowl disc Pics to go with my last post walt evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood nose cowl disc Just an observation: In the 1933 Flying Manual and the cutaway of the Scout (page 38), it shows the wooden disc as an integral part of the cowling. I'm wondering why the Air Camper would be any different... Ron In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:48:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltdak@verizon.net writes: No the pine disc is used just to fabricate the cowling from the fuse forward to the prop. then the pine disc goes away, to the box of "old airplane jigs" which only brings memories in the future years. walt evans NX140DL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: food for thought From: "Don Emch" John, I like the idea and would be glad to be on your list. Especially since anybody visiting Northeast Ohio would soon find out there aren't too many other exciting things about the area. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166982#166982 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood nose cowl disc From: "Bill Church" As a rule, isn't the cowl supposed to be independent of the engine? This is because the engine typically is subject to large vibrations - mostly at start-up. I would not fasten the cowl to the engine. Just use the wooden disc to position and build the cowl, then remove it when the cowling is done. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166992#166992 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:09 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought I'm all for that. It could be easily be added to the builder's directory on my site which I am going to fix once and for all tonight or sometime this weekend. Should I do it? All I have to do is add a check box (contact for visits). I almost met Jim Markle when he was in Boston once. The scheduling didn't work out but would have been fun. I know what you mean by traveling, eating alone, working in the hotel, etc. Good to break that chain with a Pietenpol meetup. ...which is likely the way we're scattered pretty randomly. On 2/29/08, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador > Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a > living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there > is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather > than work on our own builds. > > The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of > work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate > beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have > heard has been done on an occasion or 2. > > Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars, > garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor > > Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound > visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few > hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not > interested need not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the > sharing without obligation I or we just thought it would be good to have > such a list the a weary traveler may use to make contact while in the area. > > I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to > accomplish that task. > > John Recine > > Lititz PA > > The consummate newbee builder,always something I can learn ! > > > ------------------------------ > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL > Living. > > * > > * > > -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:27 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought John and traveling builders: If you ever stumble into Fargo, ND you are more than welcome at my place. I would gladly entertain for the evening and end with a stop in my garage to see the progress on my piet (no laughing or finger pointing). Either way, I'd be glad to have you as a guest of Fargo, ND (notice all tools will be inventoried before anyone leaves). Ken H Fargo, ND AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather than work on our own builds. The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have heard has been done on an occasion or 2. Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars, garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not interested need not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the sharing without obligation I or we just thought it would be good to have such a list the a weary traveler may use to make contact while in the area. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to accomplish that task. John Recine Lititz PA The consummate newbee builder,always something I can learn ! --------------------------------- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:52 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought I'm for that. Just tell me where the list is, and I'll join. Love to share my building experiences. Northern N.J. walt evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: food for thought As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather than work on our own builds. The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have heard has been done on an occasion or 2. Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars, garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not interested need not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the sharing without obligation I or we just thought it would be good to have such a list the a weary traveler may use to make contact while in the area. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to accomplish that task. John Recine Lititz PA The consummate newbee builder,always something I can learn ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:31 PM PST US From: "jimboyer@hughes.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought Hi John, I would be happy to be part of that list of people to visit, projects to discuss and being in the middle of Northern California's wine country might even be able to come up with some good tasting grape juice, or other. Lots of food choices near as well. Jim Boyer, Pietenpol building in Santa Rosa, CA. 50 miles North of San Francisco. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:14 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:25 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: food for thought If any of you mucky-muks have some high level business to do in Cool, CA, you are also welcomed here!....Wait a minute, I'm one those guys that has to travel every week.I better be on the look out for that list! Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Glueing some tail componants this weekend. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: food for thought From: "MikeD" Smashing idea! There are a handful of Piet owners in our neck of the woods, which is in the general vicinity of Toronto, Ontario. While I and my Piet partner have yet to have ours in our back yard (p/u in April) we do spend our spare time tinkering with airplanes in a small museum of which we are working members: www.classicaircraft.ca If the weather's decent, you never know what could happen. And there are other things to see and do aviation related oot and aboot this general area. We'd be delighted to hang out with any Piet or non-Piet travellers from this list! Mike -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167041#167041 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:31 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought This may be of help: http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: food for thought As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather than work on our own builds. The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have heard has been done on an occasion or 2. Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars, garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not interested need not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the sharing without obligation I or we just thought it would be good to have such a list the a weary traveler may use to make contact while in the area. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to accomplish that task. John Recine Lititz PA The consummate newbee builder,always something I can learn ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:17 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please come visit!!! Hello Piet'ers I am inviting one and all to come visit me at Chapman Memorial Airport. We can go get breakfast, lunch or dinner, or stay a while and drink a cold beer or two, or three, or four. My hanger/ shop is open to all who are interested in homebuilts, airplanes ( with free camping), piets airplanes of all types. I have been here for 2 years and have yet to have a visitor at the home strip, (Skipp tried but weather was bad!) I look forward to meeting all the homebuilders, pilots no matter what type of aircraft they fly. So if any of you would like to stop by when spring gets here don't hesitate to drop in. I am in the process of building a Jungster 1 all wood biplane and can use all the critisisim I can get. I have looked forward to having an airport at my house my whole life, and at age 29 (almost 30) I feel as I have cheated somewhere to have this at the early years in life. I want to enjoy it while it lasts, before rich a## hol@! complain about noise, and there golf game. To Don Emch, Mike Cuy and all the other Ohio area piets, LETS GET TOGEATHER THIS YEAR AND FLY TOGEATHER! I will fly up there or where ever to have some fun in the sun. Mike; I can fly up there and meet you at Columbia and we'll go straffe Don up near Youngstown, It is so much fun to fly in numbers, especially in a 1929 Pietinpol Aircamper. So if any of you Ohio Pieter's want to do some fly'in let me know, I am itchin to go, and ready for some formation fly'in just like the RV guys (although not as fast or as arogent). Anxiously awaiting spring, Shad NX92GB --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:40 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers Fellow Pietenpol'ers, I am going to be in Dallas the week of March 17-20. If possible I would like to meet up with any of the Texas Piet'ers in the Dallas /Ft Worth Area. I will Get down there Monday the 17th after noon or so,and would love to get togeather with any of the fellow piet builders or flyers. My job is sending me down for the Aviation Maintenence Expo at the Dallas Convention Center the wek of March 17. If there are any takers let me know, I would love to meet some fellow Pieters in the Lone Star State. Shad Bell NX92GB --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" Glenn Since I am an ideas man and you have a site I welcome your offer to link and host our flegling band of itenerate builders. We have to keep in mind that all builders are not interested in being visited so the list you put on the site may include all Piet builders, owners etc but the ones that are interested in the visiting aspect our Amdassadors must be identified. I would really not want to contact an un willing or disinterested builder. I find willing people are the most enjoyable to be around. Some folks are just not interesred in sharing and hanging out with others and we need to respect that choice. For me sign me up I love it John Recine 635 South Broad street Lititz, PA 17543 AmsafetyC@aol.com Cell 215-208-8309 Thanks all for your support and thanks Glenn for hosting John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Glenn Thomas" To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought I'm all for that. It could be easily be added to the builder's directory on my sitewhich I am going to fix once and for all tonight or sometime this weekend. Should I do it? All I have to do is add a check box (contact for visits). I almost met Jim Markle when he was in Boston once. The scheduling didn't work out but would have been fun. I know what you mean by traveling, eating alone, working in the hotel, etc. Good to break that chain with a Pietenpol meetup. ...which is likely the way we're scattered pretty randomly. On 2/29/08, AMsafetyC@aol.com > wrote: As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather than work on our own builds. The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have heard has been done on an occasion or 2. Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars, garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not interested need not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the sharing without obligation I or we just thought it would be good to have such a list the a weary traveler may use to make contact while in the area. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to accomplish that task. John Recine Lititz PA The consummatenewbee builder,always something I can learn ! ---------------- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please come visit!!! From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" Great stuff Shad John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: shad bell To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please come visit!!! Hello Piet'ers I am inviting one and all to come visit me at Chapman Memorial Airport. We can go get breakfast, lunch or dinner, or stay a while and drink a cold beer or two, or three, or four. My hanger/ shop is open to all who are interested in homebuilts, airplanes( with free camping), piets airplanes of all types. I have been here for 2 years and have yet to have a visitor at the home strip, (Skipp tried but weather was bad!) I look forward to meeting all the homebuilders, pilotsno matter what type of aircraft they fly. So if any of you would like to stop by when spring gets here don't hesitate to drop in. I am in the process of building a Jungster 1 all wood biplane and can use all the critisisim I can get. I have looked forward to having an airport at my house my whole life, and at age 29 (almost 30) I feel as I have cheated somewhere to have this at the early years in life. I want to enjoy it while it lasts, before rich a## hol@! complain about noise, and there golf game. To Don Emch, Mike Cuy and all the other Ohio area piets, LETS GET TOGEATHER THIS YEAR AND FLY TOGEATHER! I will fly up there or where ever to have some fun in the sun. Mike; I can fly up there and meet you at Columbia and we'll go straffe Don up near Youngstown, It is so much fun to fly in numbers, especially in a 1929 Pietinpol Aircamper. So if any of you Ohio Pieter's want to do some fly'in let me know, I am itchin to go, and ready for some formation fly'in just like the RV guys (although not as fast or as arogent). Anxiously awaiting spring, Shad NX92GB ---------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.