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1. 12:56 AM - Design of Wood Aircraft Structures ANC-18 ()
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Wood nose cowl disc (FTLovley)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: food for thought (Glenn Thomas)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Design of Wood Aircraft Structures ANC-18 (Owen Davies)
5. 08:50 AM - my contact info for Glenn's list (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: my contact info for Glenn's list (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=)
7. 10:25 AM - Re: my contact info for Glenn's list (Glenn Thomas)
8. 03:39 PM - Re: Another newbie looking for advise (Jim Quinn)
9. 04:20 PM - Re: food for thought (MikeD)
10. 05:34 PM - wing calibration (Dick Navratil)
11. 05:35 PM - fuel tank thickness (Douwe Blumberg)
12. 05:37 PM - tailwheel arm (Douwe Blumberg)
13. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: food for thought (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=)
14. 05:55 PM - Re: food for thought (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 06:49 PM - Re: food for thought (Gary Boothe)
16. 07:18 PM - Re: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers (Jim Markle)
17. 07:25 PM - Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers (Jim Markle)
18. 09:40 PM - Re: food for thought (jimboyer@hughes.net)
19. 11:03 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:05 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Design of Wood Aircraft Structures ANC-18 |
Thanks to Greg Cardinal, I have posted a PDF copy of ANC-18, Design of Wood
Aircraft Structures, to my website. I have also included some pages from
ANC-19, Wood Aircraft Inspection and Fabrication.
http://westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm. Hopefully one day I can get a
PDF of the full ANC-19.
These pre-date and are more comprehensive then ANC-43-13. This is a must
read for anyone who is thinking about using alternative woods and
alternative spars. One thing to note, is that grain orientation is not for
strength but for dimensional stability (ANC-19, 2.401). Also, something that
doesn't get much press is the requirement for moisture content and specific
gravity. Choose your wood wisely and do your homework first.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Wood nose cowl disc |
In the original airplanes, Bernard used a wooden disc on the front of the cowling.
It was used to make the transition from the side cowls to the nose cowl used
on the Ford. The disc was fit loosely on the front of the engine, not bolted
tight. The sheet metal was NAILED to the wooden disc. This was common practice
in those days. Waco nailed their sheet metal on the early airplanes also.
Those airplanes were not meant to last long enough to have to take it apart.
It would be easy enough to make an aluminum bulkhead to join the aluminum
for the Ford cowl when building one today. However, the wood worked just fine
for the job it was asked to do.
Forrest Lovley
In a message dated 02/29/08 16:49:51 Central Standard Time, waltdak@verizon.net
writes:
I used the wooded disc on the nosebowl of my A65 to center the prop shaft to the
fwd cowl piece. And , after removed it.
If this is not the case for the Model A, I take it back. But can't imagine you'd
be flying with a piece of wood in the fwd cowling.
Anyone know?
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood nose cowl disc
Just an observation: In the 1933 Flying Manual and the cutaway of the Scout (page
38), it shows the wooden disc as an integral part of the cowling. I'm wondering
why the Air Camper would be any different...
Ron
In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:48:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltdak@verizon.net
writes:
No the pine disc is used just to fabricate the cowling from the fuse forward to
the prop. then the pine disc goes away, to the box of "old airplane jigs" which
only brings memories in the future years.
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | Re: food for thought |
There is already a builders' directory. I can just modify the profile you
fill out to include a "come visit me" checkbox. I have to add some site
security because the Viagra people seem to have taken over that directory.
On 3/1/08, John Recine <AmsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
>
> AmsafetyC@aol.com>
>
> Glenn
>
> Since I am an ideas man and you have a site I welcome your offer to link
> and host our flegling band of itenerate builders. We have to keep in mind
> that all builders are not interested in being visited so the list you put on
> the site may include all Piet builders, owners etc but the ones that are
> interested in the visiting aspect our Amdassadors must be identified.
>
> I would really not want to contact an un willing or disinterested builder.
> I find willing people are the most enjoyable to be around. Some folks are
> just not interesred in sharing and hanging out with others and we need to
> respect that choice.
>
> For me sign me up I love it
>
> John Recine
> 635 South Broad street
> Lititz, PA 17543
> AmsafetyC@aol.com
> Cell 215-208-8309
>
> Thanks all for your support and thanks Glenn for hosting
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:25:46
> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought
>
>
> I'm all for that. It could be easily be added to the builder's directory
> on my site which I am going to fix once and for all tonight or sometime this
> weekend. Should I do it? All I have to do is add a check box (contact for
> visits). I almost met Jim Markle when he was in Boston once. The
> scheduling didn't work out but would have been fun.
>
> I know what you mean by traveling, eating alone, working in the hotel,
> etc. Good to break that chain with a Pietenpol meetup. ...which is likely
> the way we're scattered pretty randomly.
>
> On 2/29/08, AMsafetyC@aol.com <mailto:AMsafetyC@aol.com> <
> AMsafetyC@aol.com <mailto:AMsafetyC@aol.com> > wrote:
>
>
> As many of you know from reading the posts of myself and our Ambassador
> Jim Markel, many of us have to travel for the unenviable goal of earning a
> living. For anyone engaged in such activities it is a known fact that there
> is no glamour, excitement or intense desire to live in a hotel room rather
> than work on our own builds.
>
> The more interesting alternative to dinner by ones self and an evening of
> work is to visit another builder chat and consume some type of appropriate
> beverage adult or not over a smack or even pitchers and pizza, as I have
> heard has been done on an occasion or 2.
>
> Thus I am proposing that those interested in opening up their hangars,
> garages, basements, shops or home for a Pietenpol visitor
>
> Place their name and contact information on a list as to allow an inbound
> visitor to make contact to discuss projects , methods and to share a few
> hours with a brother builder. Obviously the list is voluntary so anyone not
> interested need not participate anyone is welcome to participate in the
> sharing without obligation I or we just thought it would be good to have
> such a list the a weary traveler may use to make contact while in the area.
>
> I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and suggestions on how to
> accomplish that task.
>
> John Recine
>
> Lititz PA
>
> The consummate newbee builder,always something I can learn !
>
>
> ----------------
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
> Living. <
> http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598
> >
>
>
> --
> Glenn Thomas
> Storrs, CT
>
>
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Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Subject: | Re: Design of Wood Aircraft Structures ANC-18 |
catdesigns@att.net wrote:
> Thanks to Greg Cardinal, I have posted a PDF copy of ANC-18, Design of
> Wood Aircraft Structures, to my website. I have also included some
> pages from ANC-19, Wood Aircraft Inspection and Fabrication.
> http://westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm. Hopefully one day I can
> get a PDF of the full ANC-19.
Way to go, Greg and Cris! Thanks.
Owen
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Subject: | my contact info for Glenn's list |
Glenn,
Thanks for hosting the list, and john for thinking up the idea. I'd
suggest this be a list specifically for people who enjoy talking Piets,
or visitors.. seems to make sense.
Douwe Blumberg (pronounced Dow)
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
805 573 3564
3175 Hwy 467
DeMossville, KY 41033
Ford piet, 90% done visitors welcome
(just south of cincinatti, near little Gene Snyder airport)
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Subject: | Re: my contact info for Glenn's list |
Dow
I agree I just did not want to piss off the others. I agree we should be listed
as visitors and hosts seperate and distinct fro the all group. Its not for everyone!
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
To:"pietenpolgroup" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: my contact info for Glenn's list
Glenn,
Thanks for hosting the list, and john for thinking up the idea. I'd suggest this
be a list specifically for people who enjoy talking Piets, or visitors.. seems
to make sense.
Douwe Blumberg (pronounced Dow)
douweblumberg@earthlink.net <mailto:douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
805 573 3564
3175 Hwy 467
DeMossville, KY 41033
Ford piet, 90% done visitors welcome
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Subject: | Re: my contact info for Glenn's list |
You must really be tired of hearing people call you Dewey! :)
I'll try and come up with something that makes it easy for users. Once I
get it done I'll solicit feedback and then finalize. ...but today is tail
feathers day. One has to keep their priorities straight. I should be able
to get something finished this weekend though.
Thanks
On 3/1/08, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Glenn,
>
> Thanks for hosting the list, and john for thinking up the idea. I'd
> suggest this be a list specifically for people who enjoy talking Piets, or
> visitors.. seems to make sense.
>
> Douwe Blumberg (pronounced Dow)
> douweblumberg@earthlink.net
> 805 573 3564
> 3175 Hwy 467
> DeMossville, KY 41033
> Ford piet, 90% done visitors welcome
> (just south of cincinatti, near little Gene Snyder airport)
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Subject: | Re: Another newbie looking for advise |
Hi Jack,
I called them and they said they had 1 x 6 boards, 20' long; along with
birch plywood. That's allot of ripping.
Thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie looking for advise
Jim,
Have you considered McCormick Lumber in Madison? I heard they got a
new load of rough sawn spruce in.
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: | Re: food for thought |
Glenn Thomas wrote:
> There is already a builders' directory. I can just modify the profile you fill
out to include a "come visit me" checkbox. I have to add some site security
because the Viagra people seem to have taken over that directory.
>
> Glenn
>
I guess it found "builders" and "erectors" :? side by side in a thesaurus somewhere
and you became spam fodder. I don't think anyone would mind a sign in
procedure.
Mike
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Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
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Subject: | wing calibration |
Today was an absolutly nice day over Mn and West Wi. In Mn speak that
is any day over 30 degrees with a wind under 20 mph.
I went to the hangar early with a digital level. I havent re balanced
my wings on Piet #1 since I built it 4 years ago. I had used the method
of measuring the wing to floor at cockpit and then at tips to find 1
inch of washout at tips. With the level, I was able to get the exact
angle at cockpit then add exactly 1/2 degree washout at tips. I took it
out for a flight for over an hour, the difference is amazing. Most
noticably is how much better the power off glide is. It all around
handles better and the climb is also better. Now I have to go back and
re trim the horiz stab a bit.
Dick N.
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Subject: | fuel tank thickness |
I'm thinking of making a tank using stainless steel. What is the
thinnest gauge I could use?
Douwe
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Hey guys,
I know I asked this a while ago, but I lost the email.
Can some of you tell me the distance between the holes in your tailwheel
control arm/horn?
Trying to figure out where's a good place to start, probably take the
numbers you give me and drill a few holes so I can move things.
I know some of you attach to the rudder, some to the rudder cables, and
some to the rudder bar. I want to attach to either the cables or the
rudder bar. Attaching to the cables seems cleaner and less weight, but
seems like it might add some odd deflection to the rudder cables. On
the other hand, I kind of hate adding more stuff on the floor of the
cockpit if I run it to the bar, though this does allow me to fine tune
how much the wheel turns.
All thoughts and experiences are appreciated!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: food for thought |
I would welcome a sign in, helps keep the rifraf out. Just my never to be humble
opinion.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "MikeD" <mjdt@auracom.com>
To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: food for thought
Glenn Thomas wrote:
> There is already a builders' directory. I can just modify the profile you fill
out to include a "come visit me" checkbox. I have to add some site security
because the Viagra people seem to have taken over that directory.
>
> Glenn
>
I guess it found "builders" and "erectors" :? side by side in a thesaurus somewhere
and you became spam fodder. I don't think anyone would mind a sign in
procedure.
Mike
--------
Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167160#167160
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Subject: | Re: food for thought |
Gary,
I get to the LA area a few times a year just nothing up north even though I
sure do love the wine country.
Any place to meet is good, where else do you go? who knows maybe we can meet
during travel and crack open a box of that great Napa wine.
John
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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Subject: | food for thought |
John,
If you draw a big circle from Reno, down to Las Vegas, west to San Diego, up
to Medford, OR, and back down to Reno - that's my world, plus some
occasional trips into Mexico, Idaho and Utah. I'd love to meet up with some
of you, or some of the other road warriors. It was Jim Boyer who offered to
break open the wine barrel with some one. He lives in the heart of the
whine.I mean wine country.
I am happy to report to all that I got my elevators glued up today,
including gussets. All went smoothly, and tomorrow I'll do the trimming and
shaping.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: food for thought
Gary,
I get to the LA area a few times a year just nothing up north even though I
sure do love the wine country.
Any place to meet is good, where else do you go? who knows maybe we can meet
during travel and crack open a box of that great Napa wine.
John
_____
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch
<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du
ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> the video on AOL Living.
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Subject: | Re: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers |
I'll be in Dallas (Addison, actually) on Wed-Fri, March 19-21.
Maybe we can get together with Max Davis and go up and check on Jeff
Hill's Pietenpol progress...
Jim Markle
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers
Fellow Pietenpol'ers,
I am going to be in Dallas the week of March 17-20. If possible I
would like to meet up with any of the Texas Piet'ers in the Dallas /Ft
Worth Area. I will Get down there Monday the 17th after noon or so,and
would love to get togeather with any of the fellow piet builders or
flyers. My job is sending me down for the Aviation Maintenence Expo at
the Dallas Convention Center the wek of March 17. If there are any
takers let me know, I would love to meet some fellow Pieters in the Lone
Star State.
Shad Bell
NX92GB
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Subject: | Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers |
I'll be in Dallas (Addison, actually) on Wed-Fri, March 19-21.
Maybe we can get together with Max Davis and go up and check on Jeff Hill's
Pietenpol progress...
Jim Markle
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dallas/ Ft Worth Pietenpol'ers
Fellow Pietenpol'ers,
I am going to be in Dallas the week of March 17-20. If possible I would
like to meet up with any of the Texas Piet'ers in the Dallas /Ft Worth Area.
I will Get down there Monday the 17th after noon or so,and would love to get
togeather with any of the fellow piet builders or flyers. My job is sending
me down for the Aviation Maintenence Expo at the Dallas Convention Center
the wek of March 17. If there are any takers let me know, I would love to
meet some fellow Pieters in the Lone Star State.
Shad Bell
NX92GB
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Subject: | food for thought |
Hi Gary,
Good going on the elevators Gary. I reamed the holes in four of the motor mount
fitting and got the top motor mount fittings (4 pieces) mounted to the fuselage
(8 holes drilled). Will work on the bottom fittings this coming week.
Cheers, Jim
Do not archive
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
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6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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at the following location:
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caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
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or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
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will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
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information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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