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1. 02:57 AM - Re: food for thought (pietflyr)
2. 03:09 AM - Re: fuel tank thickness (pietflyr)
3. 08:49 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought (Billy)
4. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought (walt evans)
5. 09:21 AM - Re: fuel tank thickness (Brian Kraut)
6. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought (Gene Rambo)
7. 02:30 PM - Wood disc, nose cowl (HelsperSew@aol.com)
8. 05:36 PM - Re: Another newbie looking for advise (Rick Holland)
9. 08:19 PM - Re: Spruce Alternatives (allthumbs)
10. 08:49 PM - Re: Another newbie looking for advise (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=)
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| Subject: | food for thought |
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| Subject: | fuel tank thickness |
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought |
Hi all,
This is my first post to this list, though I have been lurking for about 5
months now. I've gleaned a LOT of useful info without even having to ask
questions, as many have already asked many of the same questions I've had.
I think the idea of a host/vistor list is a great idea. I'd love to meet
other builders to take a look at and discuss Piets in person. I've had my
plans in hand now since 1995 (1934 Orrin Hoopman plans) but I haven't yet
started yet on my build. The lack time, money, or suitable tools and
equipment have conspired against me until recently. I'll be constructing my
rib jig soon. I plan to build a WW Corvair conversion for power but don't
have a core engine yet. So right now, I have nothing to show to any fellow
Piet builders who might be in my area. After I've actually made some parts
and some progress, I would welcome visits from fellow builders. When I
begin my construction, it will be in Urbana, IL where I spend most of my
time, and also where all of my woodworking equipment and tools are located.
I travel back and forth on a semi-regular basis between Baker, LA (4 miles
north of BTR airport) and Champaign/Urbana IL. I also make occasional trips
to Charleston, SC, St. Augustine FL, and a few smaller towns in northern NJ
where I have family (Oakland, West Milford, Butler, Kinnelon area). I'd
love the opportunity to meet fellow Piet builders who live along my travel
routes.
I really appreciate this forum, everyone here seems very genuine and
interested in doing a proper job of constructing their dream airplane. I've
previously been part of other forums and mailing lists covering various
other topics (cars, guitars, etc...), but this is by far the most civil and
useful one I've been a part of. I've seen some great discussions here, and
occasionally some friendly disagreement, but I've yet to see anyone put
anyone else down here, and I appreciate that.
Billy McCaskill
usually in Urbana, IL,
sometimes in Baker, LA...
always thinking about building my Piet!
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought |
Billy,
I'm in Byram Twsp. NJ,, Near Andover, just west on I80 for a few.
My Pietenpol is hangered at Newton (Jump) airport
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy" <billmz@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first post to this list, though I have been lurking for about 5
> months now. I've gleaned a LOT of useful info without even having to ask
> questions, as many have already asked many of the same questions I've had.
>
> I think the idea of a host/vistor list is a great idea. I'd love to meet
> other builders to take a look at and discuss Piets in person. I've had my
> plans in hand now since 1995 (1934 Orrin Hoopman plans) but I haven't yet
> started yet on my build. The lack time, money, or suitable tools and
> equipment have conspired against me until recently. I'll be constructing
> my rib jig soon. I plan to build a WW Corvair conversion for power but
> don't have a core engine yet. So right now, I have nothing to show to any
> fellow Piet builders who might be in my area. After I've actually made
> some parts and some progress, I would welcome visits from fellow builders.
> When I begin my construction, it will be in Urbana, IL where I spend most
> of my time, and also where all of my woodworking equipment and tools are
> located.
>
> I travel back and forth on a semi-regular basis between Baker, LA (4 miles
> north of BTR airport) and Champaign/Urbana IL. I also make occasional
> trips to Charleston, SC, St. Augustine FL, and a few smaller towns in
> northern NJ where I have family (Oakland, West Milford, Butler, Kinnelon
> area). I'd love the opportunity to meet fellow Piet builders who live
> along my travel routes.
>
> I really appreciate this forum, everyone here seems very genuine and
> interested in doing a proper job of constructing their dream airplane.
> I've previously been part of other forums and mailing lists covering
> various other topics (cars, guitars, etc...), but this is by far the most
> civil and useful one I've been a part of. I've seen some great
> discussions here, and occasionally some friendly disagreement, but I've
> yet to see anyone put anyone else down here, and I appreciate that.
>
> Billy McCaskill
> usually in Urbana, IL,
> sometimes in Baker, LA...
> always thinking about building my Piet!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | fuel tank thickness |
Another problem is that to get the strength needed the material would be
pretty thin, but it will oil can like crazy at thickness. That will mean
having to weld in a bunch of ribs to make it rigid or using thicker material
making it a lot heavier.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of pietflyr
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:07 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank thickness
The question is not what thickness, the question is "Why stainless steel?"
Heavy, and nearly as difficult to weld as aluminum. And more expensive.
Other than those three points, it is fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:15 PM
To: pietenpolgroup
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank thickness
I'm thinking of making a tank using stainless steel. What is the
thinnest gauge I could use?
Douwe
~
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought |
I live in DC suburbs and would be happy to have any stop to visit. I
travel all the time, and would like to visit anyone near any of my
overnights. I usually ask if anyone is nearby when I have a long
overnight, but have not managed to arrange any visits yet.
Gene
short fuselage, wood gear, wire wheels, Model A
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for
thought
<waltdak@verizon.net<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>>
Billy,
I'm in Byram Twsp. NJ,, Near Andover, just west on I80 for a few.
My Pietenpol is hangered at Newton (Jump) airport
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy" <billmz@cox.net<mailto:billmz@cox.net>>
To:
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest:food for thought
<billmz@cox.net<mailto:billmz@cox.net>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first post to this list, though I have been lurking for
about 5
> months now. I've gleaned a LOT of useful info without even having
to ask
> questions, as many have already asked many of the same questions
I've had.
>
> I think the idea of a host/vistor list is a great idea. I'd love to
meet
> other builders to take a look at and discuss Piets in person. I've
had my
> plans in hand now since 1995 (1934 Orrin Hoopman plans) but I
haven't yet
> started yet on my build. The lack time, money, or suitable tools
and
> equipment have conspired against me until recently. I'll be
constructing
> my rib jig soon. I plan to build a WW Corvair conversion for power
but
> don't have a core engine yet. So right now, I have nothing to show
to any
> fellow Piet builders who might be in my area. After I've actually
made
> some parts and some progress, I would welcome visits from fellow
builders.
> When I begin my construction, it will be in Urbana, IL where I spend
most
> of my time, and also where all of my woodworking equipment and tools
are
> located.
>
> I travel back and forth on a semi-regular basis between Baker, LA (4
miles
> north of BTR airport) and Champaign/Urbana IL. I also make
occasional
> trips to Charleston, SC, St. Augustine FL, and a few smaller towns
in
> northern NJ where I have family (Oakland, West Milford, Butler,
Kinnelon
> area). I'd love the opportunity to meet fellow Piet builders who
live
> along my travel routes.
>
> I really appreciate this forum, everyone here seems very genuine and
> interested in doing a proper job of constructing their dream
airplane.
> I've previously been part of other forums and mailing lists covering
> various other topics (cars, guitars, etc...), but this is by far the
most
> civil and useful one I've been a part of. I've seen some great
> discussions here, and occasionally some friendly disagreement, but
I've
> yet to see anyone put anyone else down here, and I appreciate that.
>
> Billy McCaskill
> usually in Urbana, IL,
> sometimes in Baker, LA...
> always thinking about building my Piet!
>
>
>
>
>
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m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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| Subject: | Wood disc, nose cowl |
Hi all,
Well, as you may remember a few days ago, I asked the question, whether or
not the "pine disc" as referred to by the 1934 Hoopman plans, stayed with the
airplane, or was discarded after formation of all the cowling pieces (this is
for the Ford A motor). I got varied responses, but I would like to share two
of those with you that I received from two well-respected members of the
Pietenpol-builders fraternity. Ken Perkins wrote:
Dan:
Yes, the disc stays on the engine. Warning: The top right hand bolt that
holds disc on Engine goes into oil galley. You need to seal the threads on
the two top bolts or you will have a big oil leak. Taper the outside of Disc
to line up with firewall.
Ken
Forrest Lovley wrote:
In the original airplanes, Bernard used a wooden disc on the front of the
cowling. It was used to make the transition from the side cowls to the nose
cowl used on the Ford. The disc was fit loosely on the front of the engine,
not bolted tight. The sheet metal was NAILED to the wooden disc. This was
common practice in those days. Waco nailed their sheet metal on the early
airplanes also. Those airplanes were not meant to last long enough to have to
take it apart. It would be easy enough to make an aluminum bulkhead to join the
aluminum for the Ford cowl when building one today. However, the wood
worked just fine for the job it was asked to do.
Forrest Lovley
Submitted by:
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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> Right now the forum is a little busy with an unusually large wave of
> builders and opinions.
>
>
That is an understatement, I have never seen this newsgroup so busy in the
four years I have been tuning in. This years Broadhead get together should
be a worlds record (I hope). For all you newer Pietenpolers out there who
have never been to Broadhead, I guarantee you will learn more in one day
seeing flying Piets (and maybe even riding in one) and talking to successful
builders than you will in a year of reading Internet groups and staring at
the plans (and you may even have some fun).
Rick
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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I have to disagree, what makes the box beam better is using plywood
that has grain orientation running 45 degrees with the parallel grain.
This puts wood fibers in tension in shear which makes a stronger beam.
Can be built lighter and stronger. Lamination of wood have the same strength as
a perfect piece of wood that has no flaws. Or it could depend
on how the laminate is done.
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Russell
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I plan to be there. Who knows maybe even get a ride this time
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie looking for advise
Right now the forum is a little busy with an unusually large wave of builders and
opinions.
That is an understatement, I have never seen this newsgroup so busy in the four
years I have been tuning in. This years Broadhead get together should be a worlds
record (I hope). For all you newer Pietenpolers out there who have never
been to Broadhead, I guarantee you will learn more in one day seeing flying Piets
(and maybe even riding in one) and talking to successful builders than you
will in a year of reading Internet groups and staring at the plans (and you may
even have some fun).
Rick
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
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