---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/04/08: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - Brodhead camping (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 12:32 AM - stainless tank (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Spruce Alternatives (Owen Davies) 4. 05:39 AM - Dan H. and Poplar Grove (shad bell) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: [!! SPAM] Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets (Ryan Mueller) 6. 07:32 AM - Re: [!! SPAM] Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets (Gary Boothe) 7. 08:03 AM - Re: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets (montanacos) 8. 09:03 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 9. 09:05 AM - Re: stainless tank (Dick Navratil) 10. 09:22 AM - Re: (no subject) () 11. 09:33 AM - Re: (no subject) (Dick Navratil) 12. 09:38 AM - Re: (no subject) () 13. 09:46 AM - Re: (no subject) (Rick Holland) 14. 09:51 AM - Re: (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 15. 09:52 AM - ping pong balls (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 16. 09:59 AM - Let's look at altimeters (John Egan) 17. 10:00 AM - Re: (no subject) (Dick Navratil) 18. 10:07 AM - Re: (no subject) () 19. 10:09 AM - Re: Brodhead questions (Rick Holland) 20. 10:09 AM - Re: Dan H. and Poplar Grove (HelsperSew@aol.com) 21. 10:10 AM - Re: (no subject) (Dick Navratil) 22. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 23. 10:40 AM - Re: (no subject) (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 24. 10:40 AM - Re: (no subject) (Phillips, Jack) 25. 10:42 AM - Re: Brodhead questions (Ryan Mueller) 26. 10:59 AM - Re: (no subject) () 27. 11:37 AM - How not to be a responsible member of the aviation community (Ryan Mueller) 28. 11:42 AM - Re: (no subject) (Catdesigns) 29. 11:50 AM - Re: How not to be a responsible member of the aviation community (Ryan Mueller) 30. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: (no subject) () 31. 01:01 PM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt) 32. 01:07 PM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt) 33. 01:10 PM - Weight of water- the last word (HelsperSew@aol.com) 34. 01:44 PM - Re: (no subject) (Gordon Bowen) 35. 02:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Gene & Tammy) 36. 02:43 PM - Re: (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 37. 02:48 PM - Re: Let's look at altimeters (gcardinal) 38. 02:59 PM - Re: Let's look at altimeters (Gene Rambo) 39. 03:30 PM - Re: Weight of water- the last word (walt evans) 40. 03:48 PM - Re: ping pong balls (Michael Silvius) 41. 04:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (MaxHegler) 42. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: (no subject) (MaxHegler) 43. 05:16 PM - Re: [!! SPAM] Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets (jimboyer@hughes.net) 44. 05:31 PM - Re: Let's look at altimeters (Owen Davies) 45. 06:55 PM - Re: Dan H. and Poplar Grove (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 46. 06:59 PM - Re: (no subject) (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 47. 08:12 PM - Re: Weight of water- the last word (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:51 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead camping I've never stayed at the are motels, but I know there are some around, someone else can answer that one. Camping is allowed, they ask for a donation which is very fair, and there are showers. My wife and I camp each year we can make it and it's one lf the highlights of our year. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:47 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: stainless tank Thanks all for your input, glad we have this group to save one from making stupid choices. Stainless is way too heavy. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:25 AM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Alternatives Ryan Mueller wrote: > AC 43.13-1B is the latest version of that circular. If you go to: > > http://rgl.faa.gov/ > > ....you can find PDF's of that and any other AC's and assorted docs. Got it! Many thanks. Owen ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:58 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan H. and Poplar Grove Dan, We should be up at Brodhead this summer in Dad's piet, and plan on stopping off at Poplar Grove as a last fuel stop on the way. Some on the list may rember the story of our last Brodhead attempt in 06 which ended in a 600 mile trailer ride from Poplar Grove due to the engine acting up. Not sure if we'll be up that way on the Thurs or Fri before it all starts, But if you see a blue and orange piet come in give us a shout, we'd love to see your project. Shad Bell NX92GB P.S. Tell Steve Thomas, Shad And Gary Bell say hello, the guys from Ohio who borrowed his trailer a couple years ago. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:51 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: RE: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets Yes...if I had just kept my yap shut and read a little farther down in the article, I would have noticed that it said the following: "If your spruce ship weighs, say, 800 pounds empty you would have probably around 100 to 150 lbs of wood in it. With fir your ship would pick up 25 to 35 lbs more, which isn't very much, all things considered." Disregard my previous stupidity, if you would. Ryan Bill Church wrote: Not so fast there, young fella... The 680 pounds includes a whole lot more than spruce (or fir). That weight includes all the plywood, glue, metal fittings, fabric, paint, cables, fittings, wheels, and among other things, an ENGINE. Using Fir won't add that much to the weight to the finished plane. But this is a small plane, and whatever the weight difference is will be EXTRA weight. Bill C. --------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets According to the text of an article in the EAA Aircraft Building Techniques: Wood book, fir is approximately 26% heavier than spruce. Say a Piet built from spruce was 680 lbs. If you built the whole thing from fir (without reducing dimensions), it would be 826. Based on those calcs.... --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:12 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets Ryan, Stupidity duly noted and disregarded. I often need the same considerations.. Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group Do not archive. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:16 AM Subject: RE: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets Yes...if I had just kept my yap shut and read a little farther down in the article, I would have noticed that it said the following: "If your spruce ship weighs, say, 800 pounds empty you would have probably around 100 to 150 lbs of wood in it. With fir your ship would pick up 25 to 35 lbs more, which isn't very much, all things considered." Disregard my previous stupidity, if you would. Ryan Bill Church wrote: Not so fast there, young fella... The 680 pounds includes a whole lot more than spruce (or fir). That weight includes all the plywood, glue, metal fittings, fabric, paint, cables, fittings, wheels, and among other things, an ENGINE. Using Fir won't add that much to the weight to the finished plane. But this is a small plane, and whatever the weight difference is will be EXTRA weight. Bill C. _____ _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets From: "montanacos" Thanks for the advise on waiting until I have the plans. I certainly don't want to waste time and money. Just the kind of input that I am looking for. Have a good day Tim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167643#167643 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:34 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk jug support? Thanks Nathan **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:45 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stainless tank Douwe If you are interested in checking out the realistic weight of stainless tanks, I have 2 wing tanks that I will be bringing to Sun n Fun to sell at the Fly mart. They are 3/4" too long to fit into the Piet. They aren't all that heavy. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: stainless tank Thanks all for your input, glad we have this group to save one from making stupid choices. Stainless is way too heavy. Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:17 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that's any help. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk jug support? Thanks Nathan ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:42 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that's any help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk jug support? Thanks Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: That's your gallon.Our gallon is bigger. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: March 4, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that's any help. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk jug support? Thanks Nathan ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:15 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) You can always count on a swimming pool designer/builder to know the density of water to two decimal places. Rick do not archive On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Dick Navratil wrote: > Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs. > Dick N. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* harvey.rule@bell.ca > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:19 AM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) > > 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that's any help. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > Isablcorky@aol.com > *Sent:* March 4, 2008 12:00 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: (no subject) > > > Pieters, > > > Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk > jug support? Thanks > > > Nathan > > > ------------------------------ > > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:53 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical view. If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself floating in the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs should he have stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating until??????????? Nathan again **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: ping pong balls From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" So Corky, are you planning another nonstop solo flight from San Diego to Honolulu in your new Aeronca ? Wasn't the Fisherman in Florida wanting to make his Piet buoyant when he embarked on his never-to-be-realized flight to his beloved Belize ? Don't forget to fill your tires with helium:) Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:30 AM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters Hello Group, I am interested in learning what type of altimeter people like to use in their Piets as well as how well they like the function of thier altimeter. I would like to hear thoughts when comparing sensitive, non-sensitive and uma altimeters. I am in the building stage. This plane will only fly on clear days where the ground will be visible and the Piet will fly at way less than 10,000 feet above sea level. I have a vintage altimeter where the needle always points straight up, and the face rotates to a given altitude, however this altimeter can not be corrected for pressure changes. I like the idea of having the needle move (not the face), so at a quick glance, a person can quickly see approximately what the altitude is by needle location. I'm sure other people have valid preferances that may be interesting to hear. Thank you in advance! John E. in Wisconsin waiting for the shop to warm up this spring Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:34 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Rick It has gotten pretty bad when I find myself doing volume and flow rate calculations and calculating water heating BTU's in my head without a calculator. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) You can always count on a swimming pool designer/builder to know the density of water to two decimal places. Rick do not archive On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Dick Navratil wrote: Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that's any help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk jug support? Thanks Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: The sharks are going to get you first anyway.Use Archamede's principle for this one.It's a displacement formula which at this time escapes me. No not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: March 4, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical view. If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself floating in the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs should he have stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating until??????????? Nathan again ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:27 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead questions Just for your info, flying commercial into Milwaukee is closer to Broadhead. Rick On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > > I'm seriously contemplating a trip to Brodhead and Oshkosh this summer. > I am planning to fly commercial from Orlando to Chicago and rent a car > from there. Is there a motel close by Brodhead, or do some people camp > at the airport for the weekend? I could probably just buy a tent when I > get up there and use it both at Brodhead and at Osh if that is > possible. I'm hoping to have my Piet project finished by the 80th > anniversary and would love to meet some of the guys on the list and > maybe even get a ride in one. > > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > Baby Ace N39D > Piet Project NX866BC > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:45 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan H. and Poplar Grove Shad, I will be in Brodhead on Friday, but if you come in Thursday give me a call on my cell 815 298-5680 and I would love to show you and your dad my airplane. Yes Steve Thomas is a wonderful man and we here (the people who live at Poplar Grove) are very fortunate to have him as the benevolent man in charge of things. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:36 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Didn't we do this same calculation for Corkey a couple of years ago using ping pong balls? Was he going to invade Cuba or some such thing back then? The basic answer is 113 to achive neutral bouancy, theoretically. That equalls approximatly 15 cu/ft. Maybe you should carry 3-4 innertubes and a tire pump to save some space. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical view. If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself floating in the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs should he have stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating until??????????? Nathan again ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:57 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Dick, have you priced ping pong balls lately??????????????????? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:07 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Actually its 8.322 In a message dated 3/4/2008 12:34:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: _harvey.rule@bell.ca_ (mailto:harvey.rule@bell.ca) Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that=99s any help. ____________________________________ From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-pietenpol -list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of _Isablcorky@aol.com_ (mailto:Isablcorky@aol.com) Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk jug support? Thanks Nathan ____________________________________ It's Tax Time! _Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance._ (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: "Phillips, Jack" Why do you need the airplane to float? Do you think it will be worth much after gettting a dunking in salt water? Just buy a pair of water wings. Or better yet, build a pair of floats for it and turn it into a seaplane Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Didn't we do this same calculation for Corkey a couple of years ago using ping pong balls? Was he going to invade Cuba or some such thing back then? The basic answer is 113 to achive neutral bouancy, theoretically. That equalls approximatly 15 cu/ft. Maybe you should carry 3-4 innertubes and a tire pump to save some space. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical view. If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself floating in the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs should he have stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating until??????????? Nathan again _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:50 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead questions If you don't mind connecting flights you can even fly in to Madison for about $20 to $40 more. That puts you a hop, skip, and jump from Brodhead. Then you don't have to deal with Milwaukee (don't get me wrong, dealing with Gen'l Mitchell is far better than either Chicago airports). Saves some hassle and drive time. Plus, if you fly in to Madison you can go over to the general aviation terminal on the east side of the field and eat at the Jet Room. A fine diner in and of it's own right, plus the whole west wall is solid glass looking out onto the ramp and the airport. Fantastic food, great atmosphere...you can't beat it. Ryan Rick Holland wrote: Just for your info, flying commercial into Milwaukee is closer to Broadhead. 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Anyone know the actual density of sea water in the Gulf?) So 64 x 0.1336806 = 8.5555584 pounds per gallon at full submersion Now Cork woops I mean Nathans plane sitting in the water will weigh 940 pounds. If we assume the plane has zero flotation on its own, it will require 940 / 8.5555584 = 109 gallons of floatation. Lets round up to 110 to account for the added weight of the jugs. So 110 gal x 0.1336806 = 14.70 cubic feet of space Nathan needs to find Milk here in California is $3.99 per gallon so the cost of flotation will be $438.90. However, you could probably scrounge around and get them for free. Containment of the jugs post water landing might be a problem. In addition, the plane will want to float nose down. You will want to have the flotation in front of and below the pilot so you will stay high and dry until you can get out. NO sense in placing it behind you as all the rescue people will see is the tail bobbing up and down in the water. And you probably didn't have time to get out. -------- Chris Tracy WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167691#167691 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:54 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How not to be a responsible member of the aviation community ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:27 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: (no subject) From: As I said before Jaws is going to get you anyway. How bout filling the plane up with those little packing thingies that come with everything you buy these days. It's a good way to get rid of them and it will give the searchers a trail to find what's left of you.Styro foam packing. There's the ticket;Strips of styro foam glued through out the plane for boyance.You could also have some way to jettison your engine to lighten things up a little.If you get out it will lighten it up even more.;-) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:29 PM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Actually, one gallon of water weighs 8.345 lbs. (last time I checked) Roman Bukolt Do not archive On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:19 AM, wrote: > 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that=92s any help. > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com > Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) > > Pieters, > > Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one > gallon milk jug support? Thanks > > Nathan > > > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:49 PM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Now this is a whole different story. Sea water is heavier than fresh water. Sea water weighs 64 lb./cu.ft. whereas fresh water weighs only 62.4 lb/ cu.ft. therefore the Champ in the Gulf will require fewer empty milk bottles than if it ends up in somebody's swimming pool. Roman Bukolt do not archive On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > himself ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:53 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight of water- the last word Guys, Actually, the precise weight of a gallon of water is 8.34592064524857635249487625145629957355 lbs. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:32 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) If memory serves right, Corky was trying to figure out how many plastic gallon milk jugs he needed on board to make his Piete float, think it was the Cuban invasion thing. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Didn't we do this same calculation for Corkey a couple of years ago using ping pong balls? Was he going to invade Cuba or some such thing back then? The basic answer is 113 to achive neutral bouancy, theoretically. That equalls approximatly 15 cu/ft. Maybe you should carry 3-4 innertubes and a tire pump to save some space. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Obviously I misstated my question. Let me put it from a practical view. If a 750 lb Aeronca with a 190 lb pilot were to find himself floating in the gulf of mexico how many EMPTY SEALED gallon milk jugs should he have stached aboard to keep he and the Aeronca floating until??????????? Nathan again ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:50 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Corky, forget the milk jug thingy and buy booze in plastic jugs. It'll make your stay at sea a whole lot happier. Besides, you can only drink just so much milk. Gene ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:07 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) DO NOT ARCHIVE What a drum of worms I opened, SORRY just wanted to know what a gallon of air would support in water HOWEVER You more adventurer Pieters will soon be wanting to take the new suuthern flight cruise with others now that Cuban air space will soon open normal international operations. Let's say that Oscar, Mike King, Mike Cuy, Jack Phillips, Smokie from Wichita and others meet in Key West. File a group flight plan for Havanna, Cozemal, Vera Cruz, Tampico, Brownsville and San Antonio. Drink a lot of beer, see a lot of water, get in real good graces with their wives. Now, isn't that worth some time collecting old milk jugs? ANOMS **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:30 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters These are sweet, but pricey...... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADM E%3AB%3ADBS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=190202277742 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters Hello Group, I am interested in learning what type of altimeter people like to use in their Piets as well as how well they like the function of thier altimeter. I would like to hear thoughts when comparing sensitive, non-sensitive and uma altimeters. I am in the building stage. This plane will only fly on clear days where the ground will be visible and the Piet will fly at way less than 10,000 feet above sea level. I have a vintage altimeter where the needle always points straight up, and the face rotates to a given altitude, however this altimeter can not be corrected for pressure changes. I like the idea of having the needle move (not the face), so at a quick glance, a person can quickly see approximately what the altitude is by needle location. I'm sure other people have valid preferances that may be interesting to hear. Thank you in advance! John E. in Wisconsin waiting for the shop to warm up this spring ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:48 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters John, in the non-sensitive altimeter you describe, the needle DOES move when you start ascending, just not when you turn the knob. Set it to zero on the ground and the needle moves up as you climb. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, it is very light, simple and accurate. All you ever really need to know is an approximate pattern altitude from time to time. Otherwise, the Piet doesn't need an altimeter. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters Hello Group, I am interested in learning what type of altimeter people like to use in their Piets as well as how well they like the function of thier altimeter. I would like to hear thoughts when comparing sensitive, non-sensitive and uma altimeters. I am in the building stage. This plane will only fly on clear days where the ground will be visible and the Piet will fly at way less than 10,000 feet above sea level. I have a vintage altimeter where the needle always points straight up, and the face rotates to a given altitude, however this altimeter can not be corrected for pressure changes. I like the idea of having the needle move (not the face), so at a quick glance, a person can quickly see approximately what the altitude is by needle location. I'm sure other people have valid preferances that may be interesting to hear. Thank you in advance! John E. in Wisconsin waiting for the shop to warm up this spring http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:09 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight of water- the last word OK let's call it 8.3 lbs. That means that a weight above the water , of 8.3 lbs,,,standing on that empty jug, would find neutral bouyancy. Something IN the water holding on to the jug would have more bouyancy cause the water that "something" is in, is floating him at the rate of how much water HE displaces. Talk to the old Submarine man. STS2(SS) USS Simon Bolivar SSBN641,,,,USS Thornback SS418 walt evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight of water- the last word Guys, Actually, the precise weight of a gallon of water is 8.34592064524857635249487625145629957355 lbs. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:01 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ping pong balls Michael: Ping Pong balls are so old news - - - - inflated prophylactics is where its at, Back in 1999 Marcelo Matocq a motorcycle mechanic from Argentina flew his ultralight via the caribean to S&Fand later Oshskosh he filled his wings with inflated condoms and had an air matress riged with a fire extinguisher ready to be deployed under his seat in the eventuality of a water landing. http://www.hangar57.com/Cristobal%20Colon%20.htm http://www.southern-aviator.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key= 1119&-token.src=column&-nothing Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ping pong balls So Corky, are you planning another nonstop solo flight from San Diego to Honolulu in your new Aeronca ? Wasn't the Fisherman in Florida wanting to make his Piet buoyant when he embarked on his never-to-be-realized flight to his beloved Belize ? Don't forget to fill your tires with helium:) Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: MaxHegler Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.3452641 lbs. ;) Max On 3/4/08 11:30 AM, "Dick Navratil" wrote: > Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs. > Dick N. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: harvey.rule@bell.ca >> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:19 AM >> >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) >> >> >> >> >> >> 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if that=B9s any help. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> Isablcorky@aol.com >> Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) >> >> >> >> >> >> Pieters, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon m ilk >> jug support? Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nathan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics >> .com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: (no subject) From: MaxHegler A lot of the "popcorn" they put in packages today is made of water soluble corn starch. I think as it dissolved, it would leave a trail for the sharks to find you. ;) Max On 3/4/08 1:57 PM, "harvey.rule@bell.ca" wrote: > > As I said before Jaws is going to get you anyway. How bout filling the > plane up with those little packing thingies that come with everything > you buy these days. It's a good way to get rid of them and it will give > the searchers a trail to find what's left of you.Styro foam packing. > There's the ticket;Strips of styro foam glued through out the plane for > boyance.You could also have some way to jettison your engine to lighten > things up a little.If you get out it will lighten it up even more.;-) > > > Do not archive > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:33 PM PST US From: "jimboyer@hughes.net" Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Pietenpol-List: Finished wieghts of Spruce Piets vs. Douglas Fir Piets Bad calculations Ryan. Your 680 pound Piet only has about 100 pounds of wood in it. So its possible a fir Piet might be 26 pounds heavier. Jim ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:10 PM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Let's look at altimeters gcardinal wrote: > *These are sweet, but pricey......* This reminds me of an aviation artifact I once REALLY wanted to buy. It sold perhaps ten years ago for $1000, which I didn't have at the time. No doubt it would have been wrong of me to expose such a precious thing to danger, but I would have mounted it in any airplane I flew. It was Wrongway Corrigan's compass! Owen ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:02 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan H. and Poplar Grove Say Shad..... Since you have extensive engine building knowledge on corvairs,.......I could bring my corvair engine ready to be assembled for a engine build seminar?... Ken shad bell wrote: Dan, We should be up at Brodhead this summer in Dad's piet, and plan on stopping off at Poplar Grove as a last fuel stop on the way. Some on the list may rember the story of our last Brodhead attempt in 06 which ended in a 600 mile trailer ride from Poplar Grove due to the engine acting up. Not sure if we'll be up that way on the Thurs or Fri before it all starts, But if you see a blue and orange piet come in give us a shout, we'd love to see your project. Shad Bell NX92GB P.S. Tell Steve Thomas, Shad And Gary Bell say hello, the guys from Ohio who borrowed his trailer a couple years ago. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:26 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) A southern gallon "mud water" which weights just about 10.2lbs. That aint no coffee either! harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Thats your gallon.Our gallon is bigger. --------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: March 4, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Actually, a gal of water weighs 8.33 lbs. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) 1 gallon of water weighs 10lbs if thats any help. --------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: March 4, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Would someone figure for me how much weight in water would one gallon milk jug support? Thanks Nathan --------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:29 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight of water- the last word At what tempurature? Sorry, I just couldn't help myself. A friend of mine's girlfriend is looking at cars. Fuel mileage is very important to her. Since they are in Victoria and that is the home to almost every senior in Canada. Most of them ( er, us ) are still most comfortable with gallons and miles, not that new fangled metric stuff. Anyway all the magazines are US and the mileages quoted are in mpg. As a public service the car dealers have calculated mpg from metric. Funny thing is, the same car sold in the US somehow has magicaly aquired much better mpg sold in Victoria. Now how could that be! :-) Clif Corky! Just put floats on the thing like Jack says and buy a Mae West. There's Pietenpol floats in F&G # 1933. Guys, Actually, the precise weight of a gallon of water is 8.34592064524857635249487625145629957355 lbs. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! 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