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2. 04:13 AM - Re: ping pong balls ()
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5. 06:12 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 47 Msgs - 03/04/08 (tbyh@aol.com)
6. 06:18 AM - floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Robert Gow)
8. 06:46 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 09:03 AM - Re: Weight of water- the last word (MikeD)
10. 12:26 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Michael Silvius)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Patrick Panzera)
12. 01:08 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Bill Church)
13. 01:24 PM - chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war stories (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
14. 01:49 PM - Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war stories (Rick Holland)
15. 01:49 PM - Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war stories (Rick Holland)
16. 02:36 PM - Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war stories (jimboyer@hughes.net)
17. 03:02 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Michael Silvius)
18. 03:53 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
19. 04:57 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Isablcorky@aol.com)
20. 09:54 PM - Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war stories ()
21. 09:58 PM - Re: Re: Weight of water- the last word (Clif Dawson)
22. 10:31 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Mike Whaley)
23. 10:52 PM - Collapsed Wire Wheels (Gary Boothe)
24. 11:06 PM - Re: Collapsed Wire Wheels (Peter W Johnson)
25. 11:50 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Weight of water- the last word |
Canada is as usual half in and half out ;we use both from time to time
when it suits us.You can still go into a store and buy both measuring
tools.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: March 4, 2008 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight of water- the last word
At what tempurature?
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
A friend of mine's girlfriend is looking at cars. Fuel mileage is very
important to her.
Since they are in Victoria and that is the home to almost every senior
in Canada.
Most of them ( er, us ) are still most comfortable with gallons and
miles, not
that new fangled metric stuff. Anyway all the magazines are US and the
mileages
quoted are in mpg. As a public service the car dealers have calculated
mpg from
metric. Funny thing is, the same car sold in the US somehow has magicaly
aquired much better mpg sold in Victoria. Now how could that be! :-)
Clif
Corky! Just put floats on the thing like Jack says and buy a Mae West.
There's Pietenpol floats in F&G # 1933.
Guys,
Actually, the precise weight of a gallon of water is
8.34592064524857635249487625145629957355 lbs.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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He probably had white powder in those condums.That was an amazing
trip.The guys got balls for sure!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Silvius
Sent: March 4, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ping pong balls
Michael:
Ping Pong balls are so old news - - - -
inflated prophylactics is where its at, Back in 1999 Marcelo Matocq a
motorcycle mechanic from Argentina flew his ultralight via the caribean
to S&Fand later Oshskosh he filled his wings with inflated condoms and
had an air matress riged with a fire extinguisher ready to be deployed
under his seat in the eventuality of a water landing.
http://www.hangar57.com/Cristobal%20Colon%20.htm
http://www.southern-aviator.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key
=1119&-token.src=column&-nothing
Michael
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<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ping pong balls
So Corky, are you planning another nonstop solo flight from San
Diego to Honolulu in your new Aeronca ? Wasn't the Fisherman in
Florida wanting
to make his Piet buoyant when he embarked on his
never-to-be-realized flight to his beloved Belize ?
Don't forget to fill your tires with helium:)
Mike C.
in Ohio
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Is that salt water or distilled water or fresh water???
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: March 4, 2008 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
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What a drum of worms I opened, SORRY
just wanted to know what a gallon of air would support in water
HOWEVER
You more adventurer Pieters will soon be wanting to take the new
suuthern flight cruise with others now that Cuban air space will soon
open normal international operations. Let's say that Oscar, Mike King,
Mike Cuy, Jack Phillips, Smokie from Wichita and others meet in Key
West. File a group flight plan for Havanna, Cozemal, Vera Cruz, Tampico,
Brownsville and San Antonio. Drink a lot of beer, see a lot of water,
get in real good graces with their wives. Now, isn't that worth some
time collecting old milk jugs?
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Bottles will float too and you can use the booze bottles that are
finished to send messages.TEEHEE!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: March 4, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Corky, forget the milk jug thingy and buy booze in plastic jugs. It'll
make your stay at sea a whole lot happier. Besides, you can only drink
just so much milk.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 47 Msgs - 03/04/08 |
There aren't many motels in Brodhead but there are a couple in Monroe which is
about 10 miles west. Or, there are lots of motels around Janesville which is about
15 miles east of Brodhead. There is ONE shower on the Brodhead field -- better
get there early as it isn't long before the hot water is gone -- I'm talking
before 6:00 a.m. which is when I got there last year and I was third in line.
I will claim the fastest shower ever at less than two minutes, in and out.
?
By the way, I took some pics of Don Emch's "wake-up call" first flight of the day
on?Saturday morning of last year's Brodhead Piet fly-in.?5:46 a.m. liftoff
-- I looked at my watch. I took the pics?as I walked over to the shower. How do
I post those pics on here? I posted some pics once before?but I forget how...
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
Boy did you ever light off a string of Chinese firecrackers, Corky. I get home,
sit down to my computer to read the Pietenpol list digest and there are 47 messages,
most of them about milk jugs but only one guy gives you the answer to
your question.
Sure, the human body is mostly composed of water and most of us will float in salt
water without hanging onto milk jugs, but I'm not one of them (not enough
body fat). But just for argument's sake assume you will float without jugs and
the airplane weighs about 800 lbs., and a gallon jug of water weighs about 8
lbs., you'll need about 100 jugs to float your boat. Er, Aeronca that is.
Now you can get all "Cat In The Hat" and start figuring out where to put them:
"I'll stash them in the seat, I'll stash them by my feet. I'll stash them in
the tail, stash them where they won't fail"... good luck with the installation
and also good luck with preflighting all 100 of those puppies. [Questions for
the sticklers for regulations: are the jugs to be considered required equipment
and the airplane unairworthy if one or more of them is not properly sealed?
Should a logbook entry be made if the jugs are installed? Can jugs even be
carried in a certified aircraft?]
As to a group flight out of Key West, I'd be game for that but we'll have to see
how brother Raul feels about having "yanquis" invading his island and hauling
away all those 1950s-era cars that they have over there. And just promise to
let me share your water jugs if we go down in the Gulf.
As to the other thread about altimeters, I've never had 41CC above 3000 MSL and
have just not been curious enough about the airspace above that to want to venture
there. Been up there, seen that, and the radio reception is great from
up there but I ain't got no radio in my Piet.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
Didn't Lindbergh fill the wings of the Ryan with ping pong balls for this
reason? Or is that an urban legend? I think all the fuel was in that
fuselage mounted tank in front of him.
Bob
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: March 5, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Boy did you ever light off a string of Chinese firecrackers, Corky. I get
home, sit down to my computer to read the Pietenpol list digest and there
are 47 messages, most of them about milk jugs but only one guy gives you the
answer to your question.
Sure, the human body is mostly composed of water and most of us will float
in salt water without hanging onto milk jugs, but I'm not one of them (not
enough body fat). But just for argument's sake assume you will float
without jugs and the airplane weighs about 800 lbs., and a gallon jug of
water weighs about 8 lbs., you'll need about 100 jugs to float your boat.
Er, Aeronca that is.
Now you can get all "Cat In The Hat" and start figuring out where to put
them: "I'll stash them in the seat, I'll stash them by my feet. I'll stash
them in the tail, stash them where they won't fail"... good luck with the
installation and also good luck with preflighting all 100 of those puppies.
[Questions for the sticklers for regulations: are the jugs to be considered
required equipment and the airplane unairworthy if one or more of them is
not properly sealed? Should a logbook entry be made if the jugs are
installed? Can jugs even be carried in a certified aircraft?]
As to a group flight out of Key West, I'd be game for that but we'll have to
see how brother Raul feels about having "yanquis" invading his island and
hauling away all those 1950s-era cars that they have over there. And just
promise to let me share your water jugs if we go down in the Gulf.
As to the other thread about altimeters, I've never had 41CC above 3000 MSL
and have just not been curious enough about the airspace above that to want
to venture there. Been up there, seen that, and the radio reception is
great from up there but I ain't got no radio in my Piet.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks. Fuselage,
Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over 400 gals. Talk about
balls, he had 'em.
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| Subject: | Re: Weight of water- the last word |
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Funny thing is, the same car sold in the US somehow has magicaly
> aquired much better mpg sold in Victoria. Now how could that be! :-)
>
> Clif
>
Thanks to the Imperial system, not only are our gallons bigger and better, so are
our pints (sip... ahhhh!). And the beer that goes in 'em..
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Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167830#167830
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| Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
Oscar:
No to mention what would happen to all those jugs when you climb to
altitude.
Ever had a bag of chips in a plane pop at 9000K ft?
I have and though technically not a true emergency I can tell you you'll
need a new pair of shorts after that experience.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
>
>
> Boy did you ever light off a string of Chinese firecrackers, Corky. I get
home, sit down to my computer to read the Pietenpol list digest and there
are 47 messages, most of them about milk jugs but only one guy gives you the
answer to your question.
>
> Sure, the human body is mostly composed of water and most of us will float
in salt water without hanging onto milk jugs, but I'm not one of them (not
enough body fat). But just for argument's sake assume you will float
without jugs and the airplane weighs about 800 lbs., and a gallon jug of
water weighs about 8 lbs., you'll need about 100 jugs to float your boat.
Er, Aeronca that is.
>
> Now you can get all "Cat In The Hat" and start figuring out where to put
them: "I'll stash them in the seat, I'll stash them by my feet. I'll stash
them in the tail, stash them where they won't fail"... good luck with the
installation and also good luck with preflighting all 100 of those puppies.
[Questions for the sticklers for regulations: are the jugs to be considered
required equipment and the airplane unairworthy if one or more of them is
not properly sealed? Should a logbook entry be made if the jugs are
installed? Can jugs even be carried in a certified aircraft?]
>
> As to a group flight out of Key West, I'd be game for that but we'll have
to see how brother Raul feels about having "yanquis" invading his island and
hauling away all those 1950s-era cars that they have over there. And just
promise to let me share your water jugs if we go down in the Gulf.
>
> As to the other thread about altimeters, I've never had 41CC above 3000
MSL and have just not been curious enough about the airspace above that to
want to venture there. Been up there, seen that, and the radio reception is
great from up there but I ain't got no radio in my Piet.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
> Ever had a bag of chips in a plane pop at 9000K ft?
No, but all my Red Vines exploded while on a commercial flight.
Pat
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| Subject: | floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
Let's see...
K represents 1000, so 9000K feet would represent 9,000,000 feet.
Michael, you didn't tell us you were an astronaut.
Probably not going to get out of the earth's atmosphere in a Piet, so it
shouldn't be a problem.
Bill C. (just giving you a hard time)
I've only had a bag of chips pop when I sat on them, and that was surprise
enough.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Silvius
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
--> <silvius@gwi.net>
... Ever had a bag of chips in a plane pop at 9000K ft? ...
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| Subject: | chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war stories |
All this talk of high adventure overwater flying, marine creatures
feeding on wayward Pietenpol pilots at
sea has caused me to recall a fine sunny but cool summer day heading
back from Wisconsin around
the perimeter of Chicago, namely Aurora, Illinois. After looking at
Google Maps satellite view I realized
that my flight path took me almost directly over where that scumbag Drew
Peterson lives I realized
that he's not far from Clow Airport where I landed for fuel and lunch.
I digress.
Did you ever park your Pietenpol with all your bags packed in a front
fabric 'sling' that is snapped into the
perimeter of the front seat (with front stick removed from handy little
front socket) and have your water bottle
leak onto your sweatshirt and jacket while you were camping overnight,
only to find out that if you didn't
wear those items you would freeze on your ride home ? Although
incredibly refreshing on the ground
when you've almost experienced heat exhaustion and dehydration in
Wisconsin during the summer,
a Canadian high pressure system will cause your teeth to chatter rapidly
at any altitude in an Air Camper
in July. Such was the case as I flew south in my wet sweatshirt and
semi-wet jacket. Have you ever
fumbled with a sectional to see which tall towers to miss with numb
fingers ? Who would have ever
packed gloves in July for a flight to Wisconsin ? Have you ever
gotten out your ziplock bag of hard
candies in that rough air coming down from Canada and ended up dropping
it without even yanking a solitary
piece of candy from the bag before some negative then positive jolts
send the bag crashing to your mahogany
floorboards, spewing candy all over the place ? Have you ever tried
to pee in one of those Little Red Plastic
jewels in flight while in this very turbulent, cool air mass over
Chicagoland while holding the stick between
your knees and trying to overcome the shrinkage factor because you're
too prideful to land to pee since
you just took off not less than 30 minutes ago and you have a full 2
hours of fuel yet to burn on an otherwise
very pretty day ? Have you ? You haven't lived then....::))
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| Subject: | Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war |
stories
Mike
You just reminded me to add one more item to my Pietenpol cross country
checklist: FloMax (100 mg).
Rick
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> All this talk of high adventure overwater flying, marine creatures
> feeding on wayward Pietenpol pilots at
> sea has caused me to recall a fine sunny but cool summer day heading back
> from Wisconsin around
> the perimeter of Chicago, namely Aurora, Illinois. After looking at
> Google Maps satellite view I realized
> that my flight path took me almost directly over where that scumbag Drew
> Peterson lives I realized
> that he's not far from Clow Airport where I landed for fuel and lunch. I
> digress.
>
> Did you ever park your Pietenpol with all your bags packed in a front
> fabric 'sling' that is snapped into the
> perimeter of the front seat (with front stick removed from handy little
> front socket) and have your water bottle
> leak onto your sweatshirt and jacket while you were camping overnight,
> only to find out that if you didn't
> wear those items you would freeze on your ride home ? Although
> incredibly refreshing on the ground
> when you've almost experienced heat exhaustion and dehydration in
> Wisconsin during the summer,
> a Canadian high pressure system will cause your teeth to chatter rapidly
> at any altitude in an Air Camper
> in July. Such was the case as I flew south in my wet sweatshirt and
> semi-wet jacket. Have you ever
> fumbled with a sectional to see which tall towers to miss with numb
> fingers ? Who would have ever
> packed gloves in July for a flight to Wisconsin ? Have you ever gotten
> out your ziplock bag of hard
> candies in that rough air coming down from Canada and ended up dropping it
> without even yanking a solitary
> piece of candy from the bag before some negative then positive jolts send
> the bag crashing to your mahogany
> floorboards, spewing candy all over the place ? Have you ever tried to
> pee in one of those Little Red Plastic
> jewels in flight while in this very turbulent, cool air mass over
> Chicagoland while holding the stick between
> your knees and trying to overcome the shrinkage factor because you're too
> prideful to land to pee since
> you just took off not less than 30 minutes ago and you have a full 2 hours
> of fuel yet to burn on an otherwise
> very pretty day ? Have you ? You haven't lived then....::))
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war |
stories
Mike
You just reminded me to add one more item to my Pietenpol cross country
checklist: FloMax (100 mg).
Rick
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> All this talk of high adventure overwater flying, marine creatures
> feeding on wayward Pietenpol pilots at
> sea has caused me to recall a fine sunny but cool summer day heading back
> from Wisconsin around
> the perimeter of Chicago, namely Aurora, Illinois. After looking at
> Google Maps satellite view I realized
> that my flight path took me almost directly over where that scumbag Drew
> Peterson lives I realized
> that he's not far from Clow Airport where I landed for fuel and lunch. I
> digress.
>
> Did you ever park your Pietenpol with all your bags packed in a front
> fabric 'sling' that is snapped into the
> perimeter of the front seat (with front stick removed from handy little
> front socket) and have your water bottle
> leak onto your sweatshirt and jacket while you were camping overnight,
> only to find out that if you didn't
> wear those items you would freeze on your ride home ? Although
> incredibly refreshing on the ground
> when you've almost experienced heat exhaustion and dehydration in
> Wisconsin during the summer,
> a Canadian high pressure system will cause your teeth to chatter rapidly
> at any altitude in an Air Camper
> in July. Such was the case as I flew south in my wet sweatshirt and
> semi-wet jacket. Have you ever
> fumbled with a sectional to see which tall towers to miss with numb
> fingers ? Who would have ever
> packed gloves in July for a flight to Wisconsin ? Have you ever gotten
> out your ziplock bag of hard
> candies in that rough air coming down from Canada and ended up dropping it
> without even yanking a solitary
> piece of candy from the bag before some negative then positive jolts send
> the bag crashing to your mahogany
> floorboards, spewing candy all over the place ? Have you ever tried to
> pee in one of those Little Red Plastic
> jewels in flight while in this very turbulent, cool air mass over
> Chicagoland while holding the stick between
> your knees and trying to overcome the shrinkage factor because you're too
> prideful to land to pee since
> you just took off not less than 30 minutes ago and you have a full 2 hours
> of fuel yet to burn on an otherwise
> very pretty day ? Have you ? You haven't lived then....::))
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
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ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war |
stories
Mike,
Your message reminds me of all the time I spent bouncing and churning around the
midwest in a 150 with students on cross country flights wishing we didn't have
so far to fly on the next leg. Women have it easy; all they have to do is sit
on it.
Jim
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
OK that was a typo - - - 9000 feet is about as good as the old Arrow will
go!!
We did spend a few frightful minutes with dreadful visions of broken spars
and such trying to figure what had fallen off the plane before we finally
figured it out and had a good laugh.
Now that I think of it I remember Marcello Matocq reports he had the same
problem even with his inflated prophylactics and it scared him just as much
till he figured it out.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
> Let's see...
>
> K represents 1000, so 9000K feet would represent 9,000,000 feet.
>
> Michael, you didn't tell us you were an astronaut.
> Probably not going to get out of the earth's atmosphere in a Piet, so it
> shouldn't be a problem.
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| Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
This reminded me....... when my instructor and I left for flight instruction in
a Cessna 150, got to altitude and started some lazy 8's. WE both started to smell
burning wires but did not see any smoke nor any fire. He mentioned, "Don't
worry! If the damned plane wants to burn let it! We'll practice fast landings
and fast exits if we need to!" Need-less-to-say, nothing ever materialized of
the burning wires and we kept going for another hours on instruction.....
Ken H.
Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net> wrote:
OK that was a typo - - - 9000 feet is about as good as the old Arrow will
go!!
We did spend a few frightful minutes with dreadful visions of broken spars
and such trying to figure what had fallen off the plane before we finally
figured it out and had a good laugh.
Now that I think of it I remember Marcello Matocq reports he had the same
problem even with his inflated prophylactics and it scared him just as much
till he figured it out.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church"
> Let's see...
>
> K represents 1000, so 9000K feet would represent 9,000,000 feet.
>
> Michael, you didn't tell us you were an astronaut.
> Probably not going to get out of the earth's atmosphere in a Piet, so it
> shouldn't be a problem.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
-da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee
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| Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I can hardly believe the variety of answers posted on this net for the
answer to a simple little question,
" how much weight attached to the handle will a sealed empty gallon milk jug
support until the entire jug is submerged in salt water"? I've had answers
such as " the aircraft is burning", "jaws nibbling at my butt", "dog fighting
with Raual's Air Force", "quick engine release" but still no one has
answered my question.
Nathan
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| Subject: | Re: chip bag exploding, turbulence over Chicago....war |
stories
Well if we are all sharing,
One fine morning we were climbing out of Nevada County airport headed
for Idaho in my Dads C-182. My Dad was flying, retired KC-135 pilot with
30,000+hr, I was his all knowing co-pilot, 60 hr private pilot and Mom
was in the back seat. We had been climbing over the trees (Sierra
Nevada Foothills) for about 5 to 10 minutes when all of a sudden we all
heard and felt a loud BANG! Even with our head sets on and the engine at
full power. What the heck was that? What we hit? Are the wings still
on? Did we just loose half the engine? Are we trailing smoke? It's
amazing how many things go through your mind. While my mind was racing
Dad had turned the plane around, which I had not noticed, and he was
checking the engine gauges and running the emergency check list as cool
as a cucumber. All was fine we were holding altitude, and the engine ran
fine. It was not the engine and we are were not falling out of the sky.
We kept thinking of what it could be. Perhaps it was a stuck nose
wheel strut extending. After about 5 tense minutes Mom pipes up, hey,
there's chips all over the place back here. Yep the Mylar chip bag had
exploded. It was very frightening. Dad said if you think that was bad
you should try flying into Guam in a Typhoon. After that we always
opened the chips before takeoff.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Weight of water- the last word |
Ya got that right!!!!!
So just how did the US gallon get that way anyway?
Hint- Yankee ingenuity. :-)
Clif
>
>
> CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
>> Funny thing is, the same car sold in the US somehow has magicaly
>> aquired much better mpg sold in Victoria. Now how could that be! :-)
>>
>> Clif
>>
>
>
> Thanks to the Imperial system, not only are our gallons bigger and better,
> so are our pints (sip... ahhhh!). And the beer that goes in 'em..
>
> --------
> Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167830#167830
>
>
> --
> 6:38 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
I wager that it's about 8.4 lbs. Unless of course the water is frozen, in
which case it could be much, much more. :)
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
> I can hardly believe the variety of answers posted on this net for the
> answer to a simple little question,
> " how much weight attached to the handle will a sealed empty gallon milk
jug
> support until the entire jug is submerged in salt water"? I've had
answers
> such as " the aircraft is burning", "jaws nibbling at my butt", "dog
fighting
> with Raual's Air Force", "quick engine release" but still no one has
> answered my question.
>
> Nathan
>
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| Subject: | Collapsed Wire Wheels |
OK, Pieters.. show of hands. How many of you have actually collapsed your
motorcycle wheels on hard or x-wind landings?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
Message 24
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| Subject: | Collapsed Wire Wheels |
Gary,
I can claim some fame to that one! They didn=92t collapse due to the
hard
landing or ground loop only the ditch beside the runway when I went in
it.
Tends to pull the spokes from the wheel rim and then buckle the wheel.
Costs
a new rim and spokes plus the rebuild time! I am changing my wheels to
some
=93normal=94 aircraft wheels until I feel better about landing on the
wire
wheels.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Collapsed Wire Wheels
OK, Pieters=85. show of hands. How many of you have actually collapsed
your
motorcycle wheels on hard or x-wind landings?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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| Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
This brings up a couple of points
1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small
measure of floatation.
2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely
empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's volume.
Clif
And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and
all those who lost their lives in the attempt.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks.
Fuselage, Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over
400 gals. Talk about balls, he had 'em.
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