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Mon 03/10/08


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 05:06 AM - vintage gauges (Douwe Blumberg)
     2. 05:58 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Frank Metcalfe)
     3. 06:15 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Gary Boothe)
     4. 06:30 AM - Where can I find vintage gauges (Oscar Zuniga)
     5. 06:57 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Bill Church)
     6. 08:14 AM - Re: Where can I find vintage gauges (HelsperSew@aol.com)
     7. 08:43 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (John Egan)
     8. 03:34 PM - Re: Where can I find vintage gauges (jhubbard)
     9. 07:24 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Michael Silvius)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:06:55 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: vintage gauges
    I had a set of gauges made up by Keystone instruments up in PA. You can google them. I had them put vintage faces on, and they also printed a Pietenpol logo I had come up with on the faces. They wern't cheap, but they are beautiful. Douwe


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    Time: 05:58:13 AM PST US
    From: "Frank Metcalfe" <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
    Not the gulf of Mexico But !! Does any one know the story behind this picture ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico The electra weighed 6500 lb empty with a max gross of 10300 lb. Assuming legal gross, two people and minimum equipment there could have been 3300 lb of fuel. Translate that into volume and then weight of seawater, take into account the volume of metal etc in the airframe and you still come up short on floatation. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico You would think Amelia Earharts Lockheed would have floated for quite some time with all those empty tanks!!! Do Not Archive Dave DIT-VIT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico This brings up a couple of points 1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small measure of floatation. 2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's volume. Clif And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and all those who lost their lives in the attempt. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks. Fuselage, Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over 400 gals. Talk about balls, he had 'em. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Release Date: 3/6/2008 6:58 PM


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    Time: 06:15:43 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
    Plane was built up-side down..happens all the time Down Under..; ) Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico Not the gulf of Mexico But !! Does any one know the story behind this picture ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson <mailto:CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico The electra weighed 6500 lb empty with a max gross of 10300 lb. Assuming legal gross, two people and minimum equipment there could have been 3300 lb of fuel. Translate that into volume and then weight of seawater, take into account the volume of metal etc in the airframe and you still come up short on floatation. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave <mailto:davea@symbolicdisplays.com> Abramson Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico You would think Amelia Earharts Lockheed would have floated for quite some time with all those empty tanks!!! Do Not Archive Dave DIT-VIT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico This brings up a couple of points 1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small measure of floatation. 2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's volume. Clif And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and all those who lost their lives in the attempt. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks. Fuselage, Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over 400 gals. Talk about balls, he had 'em. _____ It's Tax Time! Get <http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001> tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ Release Date: 3/6/2008 6:58 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 06:30:47 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Where can I find vintage gauges
    Try here: http://www.classicinstruments.net/ These are automotive gauges but you didn't say whether you were looking for strictly aviation gauges or things like oil pressure, oil temperatures, etc. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 06:57:35 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Subject: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
    The story behind the upside-down Ultra-Piet in (on) the water can be found here: http://www.questiongravity.com/piet/index.htm Note that the site also has a page with good info regarding painting aircraft with latex house paint (go down to the bottom of the page for the link). Bill C. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico Not the gulf of Mexico But !! Does any one know the story behind this picture


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    Time: 08:14:14 AM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Where can I find vintage gauges
    Sir, I searched for several years monitoring ebay and found several nice period instruments. You have to be vigilant and have money to outbid. I used one of the bidding services, Powersnipe.com. They put your maximum bid in at the very last second, to avoid bidding wars. Worked great. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)


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    Time: 08:43:30 AM PST US
    From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
    As I recall: This is an "ultra-Piet" and the pilot was water skiing the wheels on the water when he went a little too deep and flipped over. Someone stepped through the wing to make the damage worse. That's the story I read... Do not archive. ----- Original Message ---- From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:55:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico Not the gulf of Mexico But !! Does any one know the story behind this picture ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico The electra weighed 6500 lb empty with a max gross of 10300 lb. Assuming legal gross, two people and minimum equipment there could have been 3300 lb of fuel. Translate that into volume and then weight of seawater, take into account the volume of metal etc in the airframe and you still come up short on floatation. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico You would think Amelia Earharts Lockheed would have floated for quite some time with all those empty tanks!!! Do Not Archive Dave DIT-VIT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico This brings up a couple of points 1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small measure of floatation. 2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's volume. Clif And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and all those who lost their lives in the attempt. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks. Fuselage, Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over 400 gals. Talk about balls, he had 'em. It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Release Date: 3/6/2008 6:58 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


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    Time: 03:34:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Where can I find vintage gauges
    From: "jhubbard" <jhubbard65@comcast.net>
    Do you have any pics of the instruments you were able to get? I'm seriously thinking of having an instrument shop remove the faceplate of the suitable instruments and printing overlays that give that vintage appearance. The ones I'm thinking of are similar in style to those on www.classicinstruments.com , with the bone-colored faceplate and vintage lettering style, although I'd want the altimeter and ASI as well as the engine instruments to match. I think that white-face instruments actually pre-date the Piet, as most the displays I've seen from that time are black. I just have always liked that white-face look, especially with brass or nickel bezels. -------- &quot;One boy is one boy, two boys is half a boy, and three boys ain't no boy at all.&quot; My Great Grandmother, whenever my cousins and I got together. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168896#168896


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    Time: 07:24:10 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius@gwi.net>
    Subject: Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
    No but here's a similar one http://wilsonnz.orcon.net.nz/Miscellaneous/Pietapr02.jpg seems them Ultrapetes like that position ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Metcalfe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico Not the gulf of Mexico But !! Does any one know the story behind this picture ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico The electra weighed 6500 lb empty with a max gross of 10300 lb. Assuming legal gross, two people and minimum equipment there could have been 3300 lb of fuel. Translate that into volume and then weight of seawater, take into account the volume of metal etc in the airframe and you still come up short on floatation. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico You would think Amelia Earharts Lockheed would have floated for quite some time with all those empty tanks!!! Do Not Archive Dave DIT-VIT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico This brings up a couple of points 1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small measure of floatation. 2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's volume. Clif And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and all those who lost their lives in the attempt. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks. Fuselage, Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over 400 gals. Talk about balls, he had 'em. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Release Date: 3/6/2008 6:58 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c




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