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1. 05:06 AM - vintage gauges (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 05:58 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Frank Metcalfe)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Gary Boothe)
4. 06:30 AM - Where can I find vintage gauges (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Bill Church)
6. 08:14 AM - Re: Where can I find vintage gauges (HelsperSew@aol.com)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (John Egan)
8. 03:34 PM - Re: Where can I find vintage gauges (jhubbard)
9. 07:24 PM - Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico (Michael Silvius)
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I had a set of gauges made up by Keystone instruments up in PA. You can
google them.
I had them put vintage faces on, and they also printed a Pietenpol logo
I had come up with on the faces. They wern't cheap, but they are
beautiful.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
Not the gulf of Mexico But !!
Does any one know the story behind this picture
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From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
The electra weighed 6500 lb empty with a max gross of 10300 lb.
Assuming legal gross, two people and minimum equipment there
could have been 3300 lb of fuel. Translate that into volume and
then weight of seawater, take into account the volume of metal etc
in the airframe and you still come up short on floatation.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Abramson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
You would think Amelia Earharts Lockheed would have floated for
quite some time with all those empty tanks!!!
Do Not Archive
Dave
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
This brings up a couple of points
1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small
measure of floatation.
2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely
empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's
volume.
Clif
And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and
all those who lost their lives in the attempt.
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From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks.
Fuselage, Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over
400 gals. Talk about balls, he had 'em.
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Subject: | floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
Plane was built up-side down..happens all the time Down Under..; )
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Metcalfe
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Not the gulf of Mexico But !!
Does any one know the story behind this picture
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson <mailto:CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
The electra weighed 6500 lb empty with a max gross of 10300 lb.
Assuming legal gross, two people and minimum equipment there
could have been 3300 lb of fuel. Translate that into volume and
then weight of seawater, take into account the volume of metal etc
in the airframe and you still come up short on floatation.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave <mailto:davea@symbolicdisplays.com> Abramson
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
You would think Amelia Earharts Lockheed would have floated for quite some
time with all those empty tanks!!!
Do Not Archive
Dave
DIT-VIT
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
This brings up a couple of points
1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small
measure of floatation.
2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely
empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's volume.
Clif
And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and
all those who lost their lives in the attempt.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks. Fuselage,
Nose, Center Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over 400 gals. Talk
about balls, he had 'em.
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Subject: | Where can I find vintage gauges |
Try here:
http://www.classicinstruments.net/
These are automotive gauges but you didn't say whether you were looking for strictly
aviation gauges or things like oil pressure, oil temperatures, etc.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
The story behind the upside-down Ultra-Piet in (on) the water can be found
here:
http://www.questiongravity.com/piet/index.htm
Note that the site also has a page with good info regarding painting
aircraft with latex house paint (go down to the bottom of the page for the
link).
Bill C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Metcalfe
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Not the gulf of Mexico But !!
Does any one know the story behind this picture
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Subject: | Re: Where can I find vintage gauges |
Sir,
I searched for several years monitoring ebay and found several nice period
instruments. You have to be vigilant and have money to outbid. I used one of
the bidding services, Powersnipe.com. They put your maximum bid in at the very
last second, to avoid bidding wars. Worked great.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
As I recall: This is an "ultra-Piet" and the pilot was water skiing the wheels
on the water when he went a little too deep and flipped over. Someone stepped
through the wing to make the damage worse. That's the story I read...
Do not archive.
----- Original Message ----
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:55:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Not the gulf of Mexico But !!
Does any one know the story behind this picture
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
The electra weighed 6500 lb empty with a max gross of 10300 lb.
Assuming legal gross, two people and minimum equipment there
could have been 3300 lb of fuel. Translate that into volume and
then weight of seawater, take into account the volume of metal etc
in the airframe and you still come up short on floatation.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Abramson
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
You would think Amelia Earharts Lockheed would have floated for quite some time
with all those empty tanks!!!
Do Not Archive
Dave
DIT-VIT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
This brings up a couple of points
1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small
measure of floatation.
2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A completely
empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's volume.
Clif
And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and
all those who lost their lives in the attempt.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks. Fuselage, Nose, Center
Right and Left Wing tanks with capacity of over 400 gals. Talk about balls,
he had 'em.
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Subject: | Re: Where can I find vintage gauges |
Do you have any pics of the instruments you were able to get? I'm seriously thinking of having an instrument shop remove the faceplate of the suitable instruments and printing overlays that give that vintage appearance. The ones I'm thinking of are similar in style to those on www.classicinstruments.com , with the bone-colored faceplate and vintage lettering style, although I'd want the altimeter and ASI as well as the engine instruments to match. I think that white-face instruments actually pre-date the Piet, as most the displays I've seen from that time are black. I just have always liked that white-face look, especially with brass or nickel bezels.
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Subject: | Re: floating in the Gulf of Mexico |
No but here's a similar one
http://wilsonnz.orcon.net.nz/Miscellaneous/Pietapr02.jpg
seems them Ultrapetes like that position
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Metcalfe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
Not the gulf of Mexico But !!
Does any one know the story behind this picture
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
The electra weighed 6500 lb empty with a max gross of 10300 lb.
Assuming legal gross, two people and minimum equipment there
could have been 3300 lb of fuel. Translate that into volume and
then weight of seawater, take into account the volume of metal etc
in the airframe and you still come up short on floatation.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Abramson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
You would think Amelia Earharts Lockheed would have floated for
quite some time with all those empty tanks!!!
Do Not Archive
Dave
DIT-VIT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
This brings up a couple of points
1-gasoline is lighter than water so a full tank provides a small
measure of floatation.
2- As the tank empties the space is filled with air. A
completely
empty tank provides quite a bit of floatation depending on it's
volume.
Clif
And don't forget Alcock and Brown, Wrong Way, Beryl Markham and
all those who lost their lives in the attempt.
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: floating in the Gulf of Mexico
No ping pong balls in the "Spirit". Charles had 5 fuel tanks.
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