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1. 07:02 AM - BPA (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: GN1 Plans with project (Bob Hassel)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: No homebuilts till after 1947? (Bill Church)
4. 08:41 AM - Re: BPA (Bill Church)
5. 09:55 AM - Do Piets float in ground effect. (Tim)
6. 10:01 AM - Re: No homebuilts till after 1947? (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
7. 10:01 AM - Re: Do Piets float in ground effect. (Steve Eldredge)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: Do Piets float in ground effect. ()
9. 12:19 PM - Floats???????????????? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 01:43 PM - Re: Floats???????????????? (Michael Silvius)
11. 02:11 PM - Re: Do Piets float in ground effect. (Don Emch)
12. 02:17 PM - Re: Floats???????????????? (hvandervoo@aol.com)
13. 02:39 PM - Re: Floats???????????????? (Michael Silvius)
14. 02:48 PM - Re: Floats???????????????? (Michael Silvius)
15. 04:16 PM - Fuel Transfer Tank. (Steve Eldredge)
16. 06:06 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer Tank. (Don Emch)
17. 06:09 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer Tank. (Don Emch)
18. 06:19 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer Tank. (BScott116@aol.com)
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Hey guys,
who is in charge of the BPA newsletter now? is it Doc Mosher?
is he on the list or does someone have his email?
Thanks
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: GN1 Plans with project |
Please add me to the list as well!
Thanks,
Bob Hassel
Santa Fe, NM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN1 Plans with project
I'm leaving early in the morning for our EAA Fun Cruise to the Bahamas. I'll
send you some pics next week.
Barry
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From: "TOPGUN" <rmdinfo@lakefield.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN1 Plans with project
>
> Can you e-mail me some pictures? i am
> interested........crusch@lakefield.net
> will you seperate out the ribs and center section?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169118#169118
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Checked by AVG.
11:31 AM
Checked by AVG.
11:31 AM
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| Subject: | No homebuilts till after 1947? |
Try this link for a bit of background info:
http://www.airspacemag.com/issues/2007/april-may/oregon_outlaws.php?page=1
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Douwe,
Yes, Doc Mosher is the editor of the BPA newsletter.
Here's the website:
http://pietenpols.org/
and here's his contact e-mail:
bpan@tds.net
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Do Piets float in ground effect. |
Gentlemen & Ladies,
I was told that the Piet. doesn't float in ground effect on landing; once you pull
the power the plane is going to settle down. Is this basically a true statement?
Thanks, Tim
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| Subject: | Re: No homebuilts till after 1947? |
During WWII no one could fly private airplanes.
Not totally true but true in effect. One could fly private planes but you had to
do it within the fuel allotment you had been given and that was not enough.
The rules were that flyable planes had to be secure. In Dalhart, Texas all the
planes were gathered together and put at one airfield in a big hanger. They hired
a watchman and ran electric and telephone lines to the hanger so that he could
watch the planes and call for help in case an enemy agent stole a plane and
flew it to Mexico with any secret documents. Dalhart is miles from Mexico.
Some guys were able to sneak enough gas to do a little flying. One night one of
the pilots went into the hanger to get his log books from a plane. The pilot
was using matches to look rather than turning on the overhead light. Someone had
been using dope on a plane and it caught fire. The whole hanger burned down
with a group of airplanes that would make you drool today.
So Post WWII Dalhart got to start from scratch with General Aviation.
BTW the XIT Museum in town has a 3 cylinder Anzani motor that probably predates
WWI and was used on a mid 30s homebuilt.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
Lurker
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No homebuilts till after 1947?
> Tim, Believe this to be close to what happened.
> About 1935 there was some sensationalized homebuilt accidents, and
> homebuilts became illegal, prior to this there were not really any
> rules about building your own plane.
> According to 'Piet Lore' after 1935 to 1941 there was not allot of
> federal government presence in rural Minnesota and Pietenpol (and
> other homebuilders) could fly anyway.
> After WWII there
> was very few homebuilts flying till 1953.
> Skip
>
>
>
> Umm....Bernie was building Piets in the 30's along with plenty of
> others. Were they illegal unless they were in Oregon?
>
> I
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| Subject: | Do Piets float in ground effect. |
Depends on your airspeed...
It will not retain energy very long. They are relatively light and draggy.
Steve
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do Piets float in ground effect.
Gentlemen & Ladies,
I was told that the Piet. doesn't float in ground effect on landing; once you pull
the power the plane is going to settle down. Is this basically a true statement?
Thanks, Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169833#169833
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| Subject: | Do Piets float in ground effect. |
All depends on how much steam ya have on.Any plane will come down when
the speed comes off.That's how it works.Ya just put her into a dive
,pull her out and flair when ya can count the blades of grass and sit
there and wait for the speed and air to bleed off.I can't put it any
simpler than that.Now some guys like to come in kind of in a long angle
and add some speed just before touch down and that's OK to.I kind of
like to land the same way they do the shuttle craft.Come in at 90 degree
down angle then pull her up and stand her on her tail then level off and
fight like hell when I've done it all wrong.Then when I land I like to
ask people ;what did ya think of that landing just to see the look on
their face.HAHAHA sometimes it's pretty good.Sometimes people think I'm
just plane nuts!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: March 14, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do Piets float in ground effect.
Gentlemen & Ladies,
I was told that the Piet. doesn't float in ground effect on landing;
once you pull the power the plane is going to settle down. Is this
basically a true statement?
Thanks, Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169833#169833
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| Subject: | Floats???????????????? |
Listers,
Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember someone
not too long ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and other LSAs?
Levi
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| Subject: | Re: Floats???????????????? |
Corky:
More preparations for the great Cuban invasion I see!!!!!!
see ebay item # 310031949097
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FLOAT-PLANS-BY-WAG-AERO_W0QQitemZ31003
1949097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310031949097
looks like they belong with the Wag-Aero "Sportsman" plans The J-3 clone
http://www.wagaero.com/sportrain.html
Michael in cold Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
Listers,
Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember
someone not too long ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and
other LSAs?
Levi
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| Subject: | Re: Do Piets float in ground effect. |
If I maintain 60 mph all the way to flair I'll get a float. Not a long one but
I'll get one. If I'm in the 50 range coming down final and hold that till flair
there isn't a float or much room for error. Get a nice short landing though.
Of course with a large passenger those speeds will yield less of a float.
In fact with a passenger I try to never let my speed get much below 60 mph.
It just pays off the speed so quick and it is kinda nice to have a little bit
of speed to 'feel' for the runway. Finding myself at the top of a 'balloon'
without speed is not fun. I've done that enough I should know! Ha! Gives those
bungees a good workout.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Floats???????????????? |
Or check these out:
http://www.ultralightfloats.com/index.htm
Hans
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From: Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net>
Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
Corky:
More preparations for the great Cuban invasion I see!!!!!!
see ebay item # 310031949097
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FLOAT-PLANS-BY-WAG-AERO_W0QQitemZ310031949097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310031949097
looks like they belong with the Wag-Aero "Sportsman" plans The J-3 clone
http://www.wagaero.com/sportrain.html
Michael in cold Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
Listers,
Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember
someone not toolong ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and
other LSAs?
Levi
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| Subject: | Re: Floats???????????????? |
Yes here is a video of someone building a set of those Muk-Tuck floats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qbNQeoqh0
Corky, can you move that fast??
Michael ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: <hvandervoo@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Or check these out:
>
> http://www.ultralightfloats.com/index.htm
>
> Hans
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 4:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Corky:
>
>
> More preparations for the great Cuban invasion I see!!!!!!
>
>
> see ebay item # 310031949097
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FLOAT-PLANS-BY-WAG-AERO_W0QQitemZ310031949097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310031949097
>
>
> looks like they belong with the Wag-Aero "Sportsman" plans The J-3 clone
>
>
> http://www.wagaero.com/sportrain.html
>
>
> Michael in cold Maine
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Listers,
>
>
> Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember
> someone not too long ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and
> other LSAs?
>
>
> Levi
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Floats???????????????? |
And the guy that does the speed build does a test flight of those Muck-Tucks
on a Rans S-7 Curier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCxrXqYAUEQ
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: <hvandervoo@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Or check these out:
>
> http://www.ultralightfloats.com/index.htm
>
> Hans
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 4:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Corky:
>
>
> More preparations for the great Cuban invasion I see!!!!!!
>
>
> see ebay item # 310031949097
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-FLOAT-PLANS-BY-WAG-AERO_W0QQitemZ310031949097QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310031949097
>
>
> looks like they belong with the Wag-Aero "Sportsman" plans The J-3 clone
>
>
> http://www.wagaero.com/sportrain.html
>
>
> Michael in cold Maine
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floats????????????????
>
>
> Listers,
>
>
> Although many accuse me of suffering from dimensions, do I remember
> someone not too long ago giving a source for float plans for Piets and
> other LSAs?
>
>
> Levi
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Transfer Tank. |
As I'm a mogas user, I've grown tired of hauling 5 Gallon cans, and hoistin
g them to the top of my wing. I'm envisioning a truck bed mount transfer t
ank. Anyone built one, or used one?
Safety is important, as is convenience. I'm imagining a 40-50 gallon tank
with a 12v pump.
Thanks,
Steve Eldredge
47' Stinson 108-2
and Pietenpol Aircamper
stinson@byu.edu
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer Tank. |
Steve,
I think it was a Kitplanes magazine several years back that did an article on just
this thing. It was it's own self contained trailer. really a nice setup
and was grounded for safety. All homemade so it could probably be done fairly
inexpensively. I know exactly what you mean about having this kind of thing.
The Piet isn't so bad but the Stinson I'm sure is another matter. More fuel
to haul up on that wing and more cost for burning more avgas. Sounds like just
the thing for ya. Anybody remember this article?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer Tank. |
Another area to look towards, farmers. I see lots of farm pickups with tanks in
the bed with simple pumps so they can go out in the field and fill up their
tractors. Just a thought...
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer Tank. |
100 gal aluminum tank /diamond plate/at Orschelin farm store-$400. No pum
p
In a message dated 3/14/2008 6:17:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
steve@byu.edu writes:
As I=99m a mogas user, I=99ve grown tired of hauling 5 Gallon c
ans, and
hoisting them to the top of my wing. I=99m envisioning a truck bed m
ount transfer
tank. Anyone built one, or used one?
Safety is important, as is convenience. I=99m imagining a 40-50 gall
on tank
with a 12v pump.
Thanks,
Steve Eldredge
47' Stinson 108-2
and Pietenpol Aircamper
stinson@byu.edu
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