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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Fuel Transfer Tank. (Jim Courtney)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 (Graham & Robin Hewitt)
3. 04:35 AM - N number paint (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 (Phillips, Jack)
5. 05:06 AM - Re: N number paint (Gene Rambo)
6. 05:50 AM - (Gene Rambo)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: (Gary Boothe)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: (HelsperSew@aol.com)
9. 09:34 AM - Re: N number paint ()
10. 03:04 PM - Re: (Gene Rambo)
11. 03:09 PM - Re: (Gene Rambo)
12. 03:12 PM - new sig (walt evans)
13. 05:43 PM - Re: N number paint (Lagowski Morrow)
14. 06:01 PM - Re: N number paint (Dick Navratil)
15. 07:45 PM - panel pics (HelsperSew@aol.com)
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Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 |
Any views on the merits of a hand hold in the circular cut out of the
Center section. ( as is seen in the Stearman)
Is it easy to access the rear cockpit<
At my age it is a race between the Piet and arthritis, if you dont need
to grab any thing more than the cabanes to get in please say so.
Now working on the center section & any hand holds would need to be made
now.
Thanks Graham Hewitt
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1. 06:34 AM - Re: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
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2. 08:36 AM - Re: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 ()
3. 01:26 PM - Vintage altimeters (HelsperSew@aol.com)
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Time: 06:34:22 AM PST US
From: PietChat@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
In a message dated 3/7/2008 5:02:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jboatri@emory.edu writes:
Man, I can't wait for retirement! :)
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Retirement has nothing to do with age and everything to do with
money.Had I the money at twenty I'd have been retired back then and as
it is now I'll have to wait till I'm 192 and I just know I'm going to
have to work at MacDonalds just to make ends meet then as well!
Do not archive
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Sent: March 17, 2008 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
In a message dated 3/7/2008 5:02:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vintage altimeters
Hi Guys,
FYI there are some rather neat-looking altimeters listed on Ebay under
the
heading "vintage altimeter". They are from 1930's automobiles (didn't
know
these things existed). Might be worth taking a look.
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Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you
share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign
painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm
an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
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Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 |
I have a handhold in my centersection cutout and love it. Very easy to
enter and leave the rear cockpit with the handhold and the step
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham &
Robin Hewitt
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08
<grhewitt@globaldial.com>
Any views on the merits of a hand hold in the circular cut out of the
Center section. ( as is seen in the Stearman)
Is it easy to access the rear cockpit<
At my age it is a race between the Piet and arthritis, if you don't need
to grab any thing more than the cabanes to get in please say so.
Now working on the center section & any hand holds would need to be made
now.
Thanks Graham Hewitt
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1. 06:34 AM - Re: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
(PietChat@aol.com)
2. 08:36 AM - Re: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 ()
3. 01:26 PM - Vintage altimeters (HelsperSew@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 06:34:22 AM PST US
From: PietChat@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
In a message dated 3/7/2008 5:02:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jboatri@emory.edu writes:
Man, I can't wait for retirement! :)
It's great!
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Time: 08:36:40 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Retirement has nothing to do with age and everything to do with
money.Had I the money at twenty I'd have been retired back then and as
it is now I'll have to wait till I'm 192 and I just know I'm going to
have to work at MacDonalds just to make ends meet then as well!
Do not archive
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Sent: March 17, 2008 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2
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jboatri@emory.edu writes:
Man, I can't wait for retirement! :)
It's great!
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Time: 01:26:34 PM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vintage altimeters
Hi Guys,
FYI there are some rather neat-looking altimeters listed on Ebay under
the
heading "vintage altimeter". They are from 1930's automobiles (didn't
know
these things existed). Might be worth taking a look.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: N number paint |
any of the above will work. Use whatever you are comfortable with.
Gene
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To: pietenpolgroup<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would
you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard
sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since
I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
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OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me
up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four
years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel.
there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with
black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not
sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach,
or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show.
To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4"
instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the
front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I
believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1
ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8
instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of
aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because
they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII
and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually
installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to
them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or
radium) markings.
The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from
EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now
and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are
off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US
Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's
Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag
switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI
aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more
instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the
strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the
difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have
an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is
lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it
make what the rate is?
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and
bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is
meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be
on the list soon!!
Gene
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Gene,
Thanks for the instrument primer! What engine are you using, and where are
you located?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me up
now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four years!
Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel. there are
several things that need to be polished and/or painted with black lacquer,
but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not sure I am using the
tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach, or mount this one from
the back so that the ring does not show.
To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4"
instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the front.
(note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I believe, a Type A.
If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1 ratio, like most are) In
the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8 instruments became the norm, and they
were mounted from the rear of aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges
are easy to spot, because they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where
they mount. The WWII and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with
nutplates usually installed. WWII instruments also usually have the
"military look" to them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale
yellow (or radium) markings.
The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from EBAY.
These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now and then (I
did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are off EBAY, are
automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US Gauges logo has the
identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's Jones tach, also from
EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag switch is a WWI-era "dome
light switch" like you would see on any WWI aircraft. Plentiful and cheap.
I cannot see any reason to have more instruments than this. I have a Johnson
Airspeed that clamps to the strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank
(you can feel the difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head
temp, why have an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of
climb? It is lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference
does it make what the rate is?
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and
bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is meeting me
tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be on the list
soon!!
Gene
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Gene,
I really like your panel. Where did you find that bubble compass? I have
had no luck trying to find one. I bought one on Ebay, but the glass turned out
to be cracked. I ended up buying a brand new bubble faced compass (German)
that will hang from under the wing. Believe it or not my panel is full because
I
have 4" tach and 4" Altimeter. I know I have a type A Jones tach and have
been informed I will have to have a speedo shop make me some kind of geared
adapter to make it read right. I put an Elgin clock in my panel it just for
looks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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I used masking tape (green) to mark out the numbers and then I used
black enamel paint. They have to be a certain size up here in Canada,
especially on the wings. Mine might be a little too small but then
nobodies ever challenged me on it.
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: March 18, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you
share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign
painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm
an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: tenpol-List: |
I am using a Model A, with wire wheels, no brakes, tailskid, the whole
"original" type thing. I live in the Washington DC suburbs, but I
travel a lot (airline pilot) and would like to visit and see anyone
close to an overnight. Of course, anyone is welcome here too.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe<mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
Gene,
Thanks for the instrument primer! What engine are you using, and where
are you located?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:46 AM
To: pietenpol-list
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me
up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four
years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel.
there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with
black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not
sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach,
or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show.
To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4"
instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the
front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I
believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1
ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8
instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of
aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because
they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII
and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually
installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to
them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or
radium) markings.
The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from
EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now
and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are
off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US
Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's
Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag
switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI
aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more
instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the
strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the
difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have
an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is
lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it
make what the rate is?
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and
bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is
meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be
on the list soon!!
Gene
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Subject: | Re: tenpol-List: |
Well, if you cannot get an adapter made, there are always plenty of
folks looking for that type of tach and you can swap for one that does
work. I have never seen one that turns a 1:1 into a 2:1, but that does
not mean they don't exist.
The bubble face I have is tiny, I just want to put it in because it
looks neat! The best I can tell, it is out of some kind of old
omni-range type receiver. I have seen a photo of one where the compass
is in the center of what looks like an ADF head. Mine is missing one of
the compensators, so I don't know if I can even make it work.
Note that I mounted everything low, this layout is almost exactly like
my Travel Air panel. I think they were low to keep the coaming from
blocking the top gauges.
Send me another photo of your panel, I don't remember much about it.
Gene
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From: HelsperSew@aol.com<mailto:HelsperSew@aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
Gene,
I really like your panel. Where did you find that bubble compass? I
have had no luck trying to find one. I bought one on Ebay, but the glass
turned out to be cracked. I ended up buying a brand new bubble faced
compass (German) that will hang from under the wing. Believe it or not
my panel is full because I have 4" tach and 4" Altimeter. I know I have
a type A Jones tach and have been informed I will have to have a speedo
shop make me some kind of geared adapter to make it read right. I put an
Elgin clock in my panel it just for looks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
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Subject: | Re: N number paint |
Douwe, I cheated and used vinyl stick-on numbers by a local sign shop.
About $30 for the set. Nice and crisp and neat. Lots of color and letter
stye choices.--Jim lagowski, new to the list in N.W. Michigan and
looking for engine startup in May
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would
you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard
sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since
I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
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Hi Douwe
If you are going to Sun n Fun, there is a booth there that sells custom
vinyl while you wait.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Okay guys,
I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would
you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard
sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since
I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand.
Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be
orange and the numbers black.
Douwe
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Gene,
Here is a photo of my panel.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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