---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/18/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:48 AM - Re: Fuel Transfer Tank. (Jim Courtney) 2. 04:22 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 (Graham & Robin Hewitt) 3. 04:35 AM - N number paint (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 (Phillips, Jack) 5. 05:06 AM - Re: N number paint (Gene Rambo) 6. 05:50 AM - (Gene Rambo) 7. 06:13 AM - Re: (Gary Boothe) 8. 06:45 AM - Re: (HelsperSew@aol.com) 9. 09:34 AM - Re: N number paint () 10. 03:04 PM - Re: (Gene Rambo) 11. 03:09 PM - Re: (Gene Rambo) 12. 03:12 PM - new sig (walt evans) 13. 05:43 PM - Re: N number paint (Lagowski Morrow) 14. 06:01 PM - Re: N number paint (Dick Navratil) 15. 07:45 PM - panel pics (HelsperSew@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:54 AM PST US From: Jim Courtney Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Transfer Tank. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:46 AM PST US From: "Graham & Robin Hewitt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 Any views on the merits of a hand hold in the circular cut out of the Center section. ( as is seen in the Stearman) Is it easy to access the rear cockpit< At my age it is a race between the Piet and arthritis, if you dont need to grab any thing more than the cabanes to get in please say so. Now working on the center section & any hand holds would need to be made now. Thanks Graham Hewitt -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. 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HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Cha pter 08-03-17&Archive=Pietenpol Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chap ter 08-03-17&Archive=Pietenpol =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/17/08: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:34 AM - Re: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 (PietChat@aol.com) 2. 08:36 AM - Re: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 () 3. 01:26 PM - Vintage altimeters (HelsperSew@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:22 AM PST US From: PietChat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 In a message dated 3/7/2008 5:02:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jboatri@emory.edu writes: Man, I can't wait for retirement! :) It's great! **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 From: Retirement has nothing to do with age and everything to do with money.Had I the money at twenty I'd have been retired back then and as it is now I'll have to wait till I'm 192 and I just know I'm going to have to work at MacDonalds just to make ends meet then as well! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PietChat@aol.com Sent: March 17, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 In a message dated 3/7/2008 5:02:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jboatri@emory.edu writes: Man, I can't wait for retirement! :) It's great! ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:34 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vintage altimeters Hi Guys, FYI there are some rather neat-looking altimeters listed on Ebay under the heading "vintage altimeter". They are from 1930's automobiles (didn't know these things existed). Might be worth taking a look. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Checked by AVG. 17/03/2008 10:48 AM Checked by AVG. 17/03/2008 10:48 AM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:47 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint Okay guys, I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand. Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be orange and the numbers black. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 From: "Phillips, Jack" I have a handhold in my centersection cutout and love it. Very easy to enter and leave the rear cockpit with the handhold and the step Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham & Robin Hewitt Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 Any views on the merits of a hand hold in the circular cut out of the Center section. ( as is seen in the Stearman) Is it easy to access the rear cockpit< At my age it is a race between the Piet and arthritis, if you don't need to grab any thing more than the cabanes to get in please say so. Now working on the center section & any hand holds would need to be made now. Thanks Graham Hewitt -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/17/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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Central Daylight Time, jboatri@emory.edu writes: Man, I can't wait for retirement! :) It's great! **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 From: Retirement has nothing to do with age and everything to do with money.Had I the money at twenty I'd have been retired back then and as it is now I'll have to wait till I'm 192 and I just know I'm going to have to work at MacDonalds just to make ends meet then as well! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PietChat@aol.com Sent: March 17, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rough Iten for Kernal Zuniga 2009 1/2 In a message dated 3/7/2008 5:02:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jboatri@emory.edu writes: Man, I can't wait for retirement! :) It's great! ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:34 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vintage altimeters Hi Guys, FYI there are some rather neat-looking altimeters listed on Ebay under the heading "vintage altimeter". They are from 1930's automobiles (didn't know these things existed). Might be worth taking a look. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Checked by AVG. 17/03/2008 10:48 AM Checked by AVG. 17/03/2008 10:48 AM _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:48 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N number paint any of the above will work. Use whatever you are comfortable with. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint Okay guys, I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand. Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be orange and the numbers black. Douwe http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:52 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel. there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach, or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show. To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4" instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1 ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8 instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or radium) markings. The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it make what the rate is? Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be on the list soon!! Gene ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:19 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gene, Thanks for the instrument primer! What engine are you using, and where are you located? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel. there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach, or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show. To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4" instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1 ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8 instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or radium) markings. The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it make what the rate is? Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be on the list soon!! Gene ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:30 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gene, I really like your panel. Where did you find that bubble compass? I have had no luck trying to find one. I bought one on Ebay, but the glass turned out to be cracked. I ended up buying a brand new bubble faced compass (German) that will hang from under the wing. Believe it or not my panel is full because I have 4" tach and 4" Altimeter. I know I have a type A Jones tach and have been informed I will have to have a speedo shop make me some kind of geared adapter to make it read right. I put an Elgin clock in my panel it just for looks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:31 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N number paint From: I used masking tape (green) to mark out the numbers and then I used black enamel paint. They have to be a certain size up here in Canada, especially on the wings. Mine might be a little too small but then nobodies ever challenged me on it. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: March 18, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint Okay guys, I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand. Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be orange and the numbers black. Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:45 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I am using a Model A, with wire wheels, no brakes, tailskid, the whole "original" type thing. I live in the Washington DC suburbs, but I travel a lot (airline pilot) and would like to visit and see anyone close to an overnight. Of course, anyone is welcome here too. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gene, Thanks for the instrument primer! What engine are you using, and where are you located? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:46 AM To: pietenpol-list Subject: Pietenpol-List: OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel. there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach, or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show. To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4" instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1 ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8 instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or radium) markings. The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it make what the rate is? Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be on the list soon!! Gene http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:08 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Well, if you cannot get an adapter made, there are always plenty of folks looking for that type of tach and you can swap for one that does work. I have never seen one that turns a 1:1 into a 2:1, but that does not mean they don't exist. The bubble face I have is tiny, I just want to put it in because it looks neat! The best I can tell, it is out of some kind of old omni-range type receiver. I have seen a photo of one where the compass is in the center of what looks like an ADF head. Mine is missing one of the compensators, so I don't know if I can even make it work. Note that I mounted everything low, this layout is almost exactly like my Travel Air panel. I think they were low to keep the coaming from blocking the top gauges. Send me another photo of your panel, I don't remember much about it. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gene, I really like your panel. Where did you find that bubble compass? I have had no luck trying to find one. I bought one on Ebay, but the glass turned out to be cracked. I ended up buying a brand new bubble faced compass (German) that will hang from under the wing. Believe it or not my panel is full because I have 4" tach and 4" Altimeter. I know I have a type A Jones tach and have been informed I will have to have a speedo shop make me some kind of geared adapter to make it read right. I put an Elgin clock in my panel it just for looks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:09 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: new sig Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:13 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N number paint Douwe, I cheated and used vinyl stick-on numbers by a local sign shop. About $30 for the set. Nice and crisp and neat. Lots of color and letter stye choices.--Jim lagowski, new to the list in N.W. Michigan and looking for engine startup in May ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint Okay guys, I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand. Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be orange and the numbers black. Douwe ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:36 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: N number paint Hi Douwe If you are going to Sun n Fun, there is a booth there that sells custom vinyl while you wait. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number paint Okay guys, I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand. Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be orange and the numbers black. Douwe ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:20 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: panel pics Gene, Here is a photo of my panel. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. 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