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1. 09:52 AM - Control horns (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
2. 09:55 AM - Re: panel pics (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
3. 10:29 AM - Re: Control horns (Gene Rambo)
4. 10:40 AM - Panel moulding (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 01:19 PM - Re: Control horns (Owen Davies)
6. 02:10 PM - Panel Pictures... (Dave Case)
7. 02:46 PM - Re: Control horns (walt evans)
8. 02:57 PM - Control Horn mounting (Catdesigns)
9. 03:43 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Rick Holland)
10. 03:44 PM - Re: Panel moulding (Rick Holland)
11. 04:02 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Gary Boothe)
12. 04:57 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Ben Charvet)
13. 07:36 PM - Scout and Aircamper in Museum (PatrickW)
14. 07:48 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Dave Case)
15. 07:53 PM - Re: Control horns (Clif Dawson)
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Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and
motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly
and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded
parts.
Thanks.
Ron
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Is that rope moulding at the bottom of your panel?
In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:46:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Gene,
Here is a photo of my panel.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: Control horns |
you can always make them out of .125 flat stock. Many are done that
way, including mine.
Gene
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From: Pietsrneat@aol.com<mailto:Pietsrneat@aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they
suck. Ugly and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the
welded parts.
Thanks.
Ron
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The moulding on the bottom is a decorative inlay that I bought out of a
woodworking catalog. Can't remember the name of the place now.
Dan H, Poplar Grove
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Subject: | Re: Control horns |
Pietsrneat@aol.com wrote:
> * Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
> and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and
> they suck. Ugly and unsafe.*
Note that this does not mean everyone should give up on control horns
built to plans. A friend made some up for a plane he completed maybe 15
years ago. They were the first part he built--the first welding he did
after a lesson at his local EAA chapter, using a Craftsman rig that was
probably intended for repairing a broken combine--and they came out
strong, pretty, and extremely light--everything you could want in an
aircraft part.
Owen
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Subject: | Panel Pictures... |
I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems the
time..
A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol
The boss made me do it.
Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
--
David Case
Dav3xor@gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
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Subject: | Re: Control horns |
Ron,
Why not make them to the plans?
They are easy to make.
I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and
practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm
satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet)
My feelings were that I wanted to tell all who asked,,,,,"I did every
shread of my Piet myself"
Trust the plans
Trust the plans
This will be the 6th year that my Piet has gotten me back without a
burp.
And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in the
front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
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----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they
suck. Ugly and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the
welded parts.
Thanks.
Ron
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Subject: | Control Horn mounting |
Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control
horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You
know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend
on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I
will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on
the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering.
Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures
I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs.
He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to
get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
Chris
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Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
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Subject: | Re: Panel Pictures... |
Wow, a moving map display on a Piet! That makes me feel much better about
the Stratomaster EIS I am putting in mine (and the AirMap GPS using an
AirGizmo to attach to the panel).
Rick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Dave Case <dav3xor@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems
> the time..
>
> A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
>
>
> http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol
>
> The boss made me do it.
>
>
> Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
> room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
>
> --
> David Case
> Dav3xor@gmail.com
> www.builddiary.net
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Panel moulding |
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Subject: | Control Horn mounting |
Chris,
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll want to make sure mine are bent to a 5/8" gap. I
don't see how the 1" gap would ever be right. The only solution I can think of
for you (besides making new ones) is to cut off the tabs and make new ones to
weld back on. It would be a little tricky...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control
horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You
know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend
on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I
will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on
the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering.
Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures
I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs.
He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to
get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
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Subject: | Re: Control Horn mounting |
My control horns fit tightly enough on the control surfaces that they
won't move if I remove the bolts for covering and replace them on top of
the covering. Anyway thats the way I'm planning to do it for now. Just a
thought...
Ben
Catdesigns wrote:
>
> Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator
control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out.
You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and
bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so
I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown
on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the
covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the
pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
>
> I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the
tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
>
> Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard
to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
>
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
>
>
>
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Subject: | Scout and Aircamper in Museum |
Fountain, MN.
Lot of Bernie's stuff in the museum.
Worth a visit if you're in the area. Check the hours of operation before you plan
a visit, as I think they close early.
Here are some pictures:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Pietenpol
Info on the museum:
http://fillmorecountyhistory.wordpress.com/museum/
- Pat
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Subject: | Re: Panel Pictures... |
I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My
original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I
started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You
need an EFIS in there!".
Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and holds
my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the
Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we
have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;)
I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud.
Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet.
--
David Case
Dav3xor@gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
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Subject: | Re: Control horns |
I've got an EAA welding video. His welds aren't pretty either!
Just paint everything black and that'll hide the uglies.
Here's a tip for losing ten pounds. Wear black! :-)
Clif
"Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is
demoralizing."
~ Harriet Braiker
Ron,
Why not make them to the plans?
They are easy to make.
I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and
practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm
satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet)
And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in
the front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
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