---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/19/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:52 AM - Control horns (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 2. 09:55 AM - Re: panel pics (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 3. 10:29 AM - Re: Control horns (Gene Rambo) 4. 10:40 AM - Panel moulding (HelsperSew@aol.com) 5. 01:19 PM - Re: Control horns (Owen Davies) 6. 02:10 PM - Panel Pictures... (Dave Case) 7. 02:46 PM - Re: Control horns (walt evans) 8. 02:57 PM - Control Horn mounting (Catdesigns) 9. 03:43 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Rick Holland) 10. 03:44 PM - Re: Panel moulding (Rick Holland) 11. 04:02 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Gary Boothe) 12. 04:57 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Ben Charvet) 13. 07:36 PM - Scout and Aircamper in Museum (PatrickW) 14. 07:48 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Dave Case) 15. 07:53 PM - Re: Control horns (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:55 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Hey folks, Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly and unsafe. Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded parts. Thanks. Ron **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:00 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: panel pics Is that rope moulding at the bottom of your panel? In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:46:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HelsperSew@aol.com writes: Gene, Here is a photo of my panel. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ____________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. _Watch the video on AOL Home_ (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000300000000 01) . **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:05 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns you can always make them out of .125 flat stock. Many are done that way, including mine. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Hey folks, Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly and unsafe. Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded parts. Thanks. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:01 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel moulding The moulding on the bottom is a decorative inlay that I bought out of a woodworking catalog. Can't remember the name of the place now. Dan H, Poplar Grove **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:30 PM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Pietsrneat@aol.com wrote: > * Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns > and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and > they suck. Ugly and unsafe.* Note that this does not mean everyone should give up on control horns built to plans. A friend made some up for a plane he completed maybe 15 years ago. They were the first part he built--the first welding he did after a lesson at his local EAA chapter, using a Craftsman rig that was probably intended for repairing a broken combine--and they came out strong, pretty, and extremely light--everything you could want in an aircraft part. Owen ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:41 PM PST US From: "Dave Case" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures... I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems the time.. A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel... http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol The boss made me do it. Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:16 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Ron, Why not make them to the plans? They are easy to make. I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet) My feelings were that I wanted to tell all who asked,,,,,"I did every shread of my Piet myself" Trust the plans Trust the plans This will be the 6th year that my Piet has gotten me back without a burp. And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in the front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em. Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ----- Original Message ----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Hey folks, Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly and unsafe. Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded parts. Thanks. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting From: "Catdesigns" Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch. The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach? I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken, but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that. Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble down the line. Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick up above the covering. Been there done that. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:57 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures... Wow, a moving map display on a Piet! That makes me feel much better about the Stratomaster EIS I am putting in mine (and the AirMap GPS using an AirGizmo to attach to the panel). Rick On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Dave Case wrote: > I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems > the time.. > > A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel... > > > http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol > > The boss made me do it. > > > Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no > room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype. > > -- > David Case > Dav3xor@gmail.com > www.builddiary.net > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:55 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel moulding ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:37 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting Chris, Thanks for the heads-up. I'll want to make sure mine are bent to a 5/8" gap. I don't see how the 1" gap would ever be right. The only solution I can think of for you (besides making new ones) is to cut off the tabs and make new ones to weld back on. It would be a little tricky... Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch. The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach? I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken, but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that. Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble down the line. Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick up above the covering. Been there done that. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:38 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting My control horns fit tightly enough on the control surfaces that they won't move if I remove the bolts for covering and replace them on top of the covering. Anyway thats the way I'm planning to do it for now. Just a thought... Ben Catdesigns wrote: > > Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch. The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach? > > I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken, but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that. Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble down the line. > > Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick up above the covering. Been there done that. > > > Chris > > -------- > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scout and Aircamper in Museum From: "PatrickW" Fountain, MN. Lot of Bernie's stuff in the museum. Worth a visit if you're in the area. Check the hours of operation before you plan a visit, as I think they close early. Here are some pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Pietenpol Info on the museum: http://fillmorecountyhistory.wordpress.com/museum/ - Pat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171143#171143 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:02 PM PST US From: "Dave Case" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel Pictures... I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You need an EFIS in there!". Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and holds my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;) I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud. Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:46 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns I've got an EAA welding video. His welds aren't pretty either! Just paint everything black and that'll hide the uglies. Here's a tip for losing ten pounds. Wear black! :-) Clif "Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is demoralizing." ~ Harriet Braiker Ron, Why not make them to the plans? They are easy to make. I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet) And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in the front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em. Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.