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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Panel Pictures... ()
2. 06:03 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/19/08 (tbyh@aol.com)
3. 06:14 AM - closed circuit for Chris Tracy (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 07:17 AM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Phillips, Jack)
5. 08:01 AM - Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy (Catdesigns)
6. 08:07 AM - Decorative panel inlay (HelsperSew@aol.com)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Catdesigns)
8. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy ()
9. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Panel Pictures... (Rick Holland)
10. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: Control Horn mounting (Rick Holland)
11. 11:32 AM - Re: Decorative panel inlay (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
12. 11:52 AM - Re: Decorative panel inlay (HelsperSew@aol.com)
13. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Control Horn mounting (walt evans)
14. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Control Horn mounting (HelsperSew@aol.com)
15. 01:43 PM - plans-built horns are super light and super strong (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Case
Sent: March 19, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures...
I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems
the time..
A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlig
ht=pietenpol
The boss made me do it.
Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
--
David Case
Dav3xor@gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/19/08 |
So if I paint my Piet black, it will be 10 pounds lighter! Hmmmm...might make the
difference between clearing the fence on a hot day take-off or not!? At least
we'll look thin and trim if we roll 'er up in a ball at the end of the runway.
LOL
Watched Mike Cuy's video again the other night...always inspirational. I plan to
work on my "crate" this weekend! If you don't have a copy of Mike's DVD, get
in touch with him! It is really terrific - a must-have for the Piet builder!
(For the unsolicited plug you can send me a cut of the profits, Mike! )
I always liked Gordon Baxter's quip:?"How much money does it take to fly?
"Why, all of it!"?
I told my wife that one and she laughed very loudly. Well, she always reminds me
that I'm building faster than the budget allows -- even when I haven't spent
a dime on the Piet in many weeks! (We have one son that's a junior in college
and another starting in the fall.) A new twist on the term "budget overrun!"
Best wishes to all for a happy Easter and weekend!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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1. 09:52 AM - Control horns (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
2. 09:55 AM - Re: panel pics (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
3. 10:29 AM - Re: Control horns (Gene Rambo)
4. 10:40 AM - Panel moulding (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 01:19 PM - Re: Control horns (Owen Davies)
6. 02:10 PM - Panel Pictures... (Dave Case)
7. 02:46 PM - Re: Control horns (walt evans)
8. 02:57 PM - Control Horn mounting (Catdesigns)
9. 03:43 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Rick Holland)
10. 03:44 PM - Re: Panel moulding (Rick Holland)
11. 04:02 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Gary Boothe)
12. 04:57 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Ben Charvet)
13. 07:36 PM - Scout and Aircamper in Museum (PatrickW)
14. 07:48 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Dave Case)
15. 07:53 PM - Re: Control horns (Clif Dawson)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 09:52:55 AM PST US
From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and
motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly
and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded
parts.
Thanks.
Ron
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 09:55:00 AM PST US
From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: panel pics
Is that rope moulding at the bottom of your panel?
In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:46:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Gene,
Here is a photo of my panel.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 10:29:05 AM PST US
From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
you can always make them out of .125 flat stock. Many are done that
way, including mine.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat@aol.com<mailto:Pietsrneat@aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they
suck. Ugly and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the
welded parts.
Thanks.
Ron
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 10:40:01 AM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel moulding
The moulding on the bottom is a decorative inlay that I bought out of a
woodworking catalog. Can't remember the name of the place now.
Dan H, Poplar Grove
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 01:19:30 PM PST US
From: Owen Davies <owen5819@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Pietsrneat@aol.com wrote:
> * Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
> and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and
> they suck. Ugly and unsafe.*
Note that this does not mean everyone should give up on control horns
built to plans. A friend made some up for a plane he completed maybe 15
years ago. They were the first part he built--the first welding he did
after a lesson at his local EAA chapter, using a Craftsman rig that was
probably intended for repairing a broken combine--and they came out
strong, pretty, and extremely light--everything you could want in an
aircraft part.
Owen
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 02:10:41 PM PST US
From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures...
I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems the
time..
A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol
The boss made me do it.
Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
--
David Case
Dav3xor@gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 02:46:16 PM PST US
From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Ron,
Why not make them to the plans?
They are easy to make.
I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and
practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm
satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet)
My feelings were that I wanted to tell all who asked,,,,,"I did every
shread of my Piet myself"
Trust the plans
Trust the plans
This will be the 6th year that my Piet has gotten me back without a
burp.
And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in the
front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Hey folks,
Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns
and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they
suck. Ugly and unsafe.
Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the
welded parts.
Thanks.
Ron
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-----
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________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 02:57:18 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator
control
horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You
know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend
on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I
will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on
the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the
covering.
Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures
I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the
tabs.
He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to
get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 03:43:57 PM PST US
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures...
Wow, a moving map display on a Piet! That makes me feel much better about
the Stratomaster EIS I am putting in mine (and the AirMap GPS using an
AirGizmo to attach to the panel).
Rick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Dave Case <dav3xor@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems
> the time..
>
> A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel...
>
>
> http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol
>
> The boss made me do it.
>
>
> Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no
> room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype.
>
> --
> David Case
> Dav3xor@gmail.com
> www.builddiary.net
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 03:44:55 PM PST US
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel moulding
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 04:02:37 PM PST US
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
Chris,
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll want to make sure mine are bent to a 5/8" gap. I
don't see how the 1" gap would ever be right. The only solution I can think of
for you (besides making new ones) is to cut off the tabs and make new ones to
weld back on. It would be a little tricky...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator
control
horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You
know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend
on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I
will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on
the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the
covering.
Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures
I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the
tabs.
He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to
get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 04:57:38 PM PST US
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting
My control horns fit tightly enough on the control surfaces that they
won't move if I remove the bolts for covering and replace them on top of
the covering. Anyway thats the way I'm planning to do it for now. Just a
thought...
Ben
Catdesigns wrote:
>
> Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator
control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out.
You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and
bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch.
The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so
I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown
on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the
bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level
of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the
covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the
pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has
anyone
noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach?
>
> I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the
tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me
chicken,
but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that.
Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble
down the line.
>
> Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard
to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still
stick
up above the covering. Been there done that.
>
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 07:36:30 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scout and Aircamper in Museum
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Fountain, MN.
Lot of Bernie's stuff in the museum.
Worth a visit if you're in the area. Check the hours of operation before you
plan
a visit, as I think they close early.
Here are some pictures:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Pietenpol
Info on the museum:
http://fillmorecountyhistory.wordpress.com/museum/
- Pat
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171143#171143
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 07:48:02 PM PST US
From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel Pictures...
I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My
original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I
started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You
need an EFIS in there!".
Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and holds
my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the
Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we
have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;)
I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud.
Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet.
--
David Case
Dav3xor@gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 07:53:46 PM PST US
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
I've got an EAA welding video. His welds aren't pretty either!
Just paint everything black and that'll hide the uglies.
Here's a tip for losing ten pounds. Wear black! :-)
Clif
"Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is
demoralizing."
~ Harriet Braiker
Ron,
Why not make them to the plans?
They are easy to make.
I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and
practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm
satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet)
And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in
the front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
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Chris;
Every time I try to send you something it bounces. Got another email addre
ss I can try or are you blocking me intentionally?Oscar Zuniga DO NOT ARCH
IVE
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Subject: | Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy |
Oscar,
The CIA has insisted I block all communication with you due to your association
with cornering the milk jug market. Something about the ringleader being a know
instigator of trouble and hilarity. You can email me at my secret email address
Catdesigns(at)att.net. or Westcoastpiet(at)westcoastpiet.com, my secret
identity know only to an exclusive club of really smart people.
Chris
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WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Decorative panel inlay |
Here is the source for decorative panel inlays.
_http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433_
(http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: Control Horn mounting |
Thanks Guys
I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the plans. This is
the one big thing that has slowed down my building, thinking to much. I have
got to learn to trust the plans more. Every time I get bogged down it's because
I try to out think the plans.
Thanks
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy |
I knew something fishy was going on there.He was in the process of a
build up of milk jugs the same way Saddam was building up his nuclear
asenal.Boy ya have to watch these southerners all the time eh!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Catdesigns
Sent: March 20, 2008 10:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy
<Catdesigns@comcast.net>
Oscar,
The CIA has insisted I block all communication with you due to your
association with cornering the milk jug market. Something about the
ringleader being a know instigator of trouble and hilarity. You can
email me at my secret email address Catdesigns(at)att.net. or
Westcoastpiet(at)westcoastpiet.com, my secret identity know only to an
exclusive club of really smart people.
Chris
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Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Panel Pictures... |
I have been torn between keeping my Pietenpol more authentic 1929 vintage
and learning as much as I can while building (and having a few more
conveniences) and I decided on the later. So I am going with the EIS, GPS
and a starter and generator even though it will weigh more (although the
Stratomaster EIS will cost less and weigh less than six separate gauges).
Can't you get an employee discount on the AFS stuff? If not scratch and dent
would work for me.
Rick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Dave Case <dav3xor@gmail.com> wrote:
> I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My
> original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I
> started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You
> need an EFIS in there!".
>
> Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and
> holds my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the
> Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we
> have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;)
>
> I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud.
>
> Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet.
>
> --
> David Case
> Dav3xor@gmail.com
> www.builddiary.net
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Control Horn mounting |
Happens to me all the time Chris. With me I think it because I work as a
software engineer and I am always prototyping thinks many different ways
before I decide on the best way to go even if provided a detailed design
(they call it "Not invented here syndrome"). However you soon realize that
it is almost free to redirect some electrons a different way around a
computer chip but when you try to "improve" BP's landing gear or elevator
design and you start seeing welded 4130 tubing and epoxied spruce pile up in
your trash can you have to get a grip and start repeating to yourself
"Follow the Plans!, Follow the Plans!, .....
Rick
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Catdesigns <Catdesigns@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
>
> Thanks Guys
>
> I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the plans.
> This is the one big thing that has slowed down my building, thinking to
> much. I have got to learn to trust the plans more. Every time I get bogged
> down it's because I try to out think the plans.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171239#171239
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Decorative panel inlay |
Nice touch. I can't remember seeing a nicer panel.
In a message dated 3/20/2008 11:07:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Here is the source for decorative panel inlays.
_http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433_
(http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: Decorative panel inlay |
Thanks Ron,
I wanted to end up with a distinctive airplane when complete. I have seen a
lot of really plain instrument panels which is good I suppose if you are a
purist. I am a purist of sorts I guess but have my own ideas like a lot of guys.
Some of the things I have done to my airplane are neat, but do add weight. I
am fortunate enough to be only 147 lbs. so I can justify it to a point.
Thanks for the encouragement.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
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Subject: | Re: Control Horn mounting |
I agree.
Why buy the plans , if you don't use them?
What's the old ditty?,,,"you can modify the plans and build a good
plane,,,,or follow the plans, and build a better one. (or something
like that)
I can't remember. :^)
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Horn mounting
Happens to me all the time Chris. With me I think it because I work as
a software engineer and I am always prototyping thinks many different
ways before I decide on the best way to go even if provided a detailed
design (they call it "Not invented here syndrome"). However you soon
realize that it is almost free to redirect some electrons a different
way around a computer chip but when you try to "improve" BP's landing
gear or elevator design and you start seeing welded 4130 tubing and
epoxied spruce pile up in your trash can you have to get a grip and
start repeating to yourself "Follow the Plans!, Follow the Plans!, .....
Rick
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Catdesigns <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
wrote:
<Catdesigns@comcast.net>
Thanks Guys
I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the
plans. This is the one big thing that has slowed down my building,
thinking to much. I have got to learn to trust the plans more. Every
time I get bogged down it's because I try to out think the plans.
Thanks
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171239#171239
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Control Horn mounting |
Hi Guys,
I too was a little intimidated by the control horn construction. But one of
the reasons I took on the project was to learn how to do new things and be
creative. I am so glad I stuck with the plans and made the horns to Bernard's
specs. I was very proud of these parts when I finished, partly because
perseverance paid off and that is a good feeling.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
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Subject: | plans-built horns are super light and super strong |
It was a bit of a challenge making the control horns but why add the
extra weight back at the tail too ?
I say if you're in a rush and don't care about what your plane ends up
weighing, make the thicker single 4130 slab
horns but otherwise make the two-piece ones. I was very impressed with
how light they turned out and how
incredibly strong they are.
Mike C.
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