---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/20/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:16 AM - Re: Panel Pictures... () 2. 06:03 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/19/08 (tbyh@aol.com) 3. 06:14 AM - closed circuit for Chris Tracy (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 07:17 AM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Phillips, Jack) 5. 08:01 AM - Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy (Catdesigns) 6. 08:07 AM - Decorative panel inlay (HelsperSew@aol.com) 7. 08:43 AM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Catdesigns) 8. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy () 9. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Panel Pictures... (Rick Holland) 10. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: Control Horn mounting (Rick Holland) 11. 11:32 AM - Re: Decorative panel inlay (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 12. 11:52 AM - Re: Decorative panel inlay (HelsperSew@aol.com) 13. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Control Horn mounting (walt evans) 14. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Control Horn mounting (HelsperSew@aol.com) 15. 01:43 PM - plans-built horns are super light and super strong (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:13 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures... From: =BD in and =BD out;sign of the times Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Case Sent: March 19, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures... I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems the time.. A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel... http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlig ht=pietenpol The boss made me do it. Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/19/08 From: tbyh@aol.com So if I paint my Piet black, it will be 10 pounds lighter! Hmmmm...might make the difference between clearing the fence on a hot day take-off or not!? At least we'll look thin and trim if we roll 'er up in a ball at the end of the runway. LOL Watched Mike Cuy's video again the other night...always inspirational. I plan to work on my "crate" this weekend! If you don't have a copy of Mike's DVD, get in touch with him! It is really terrific - a must-have for the Piet builder! (For the unsolicited plug you can send me a cut of the profits, Mike! ) I always liked Gordon Baxter's quip:?"How much money does it take to fly? "Why, all of it!"? I told my wife that one and she laughed very loudly. Well, she always reminds me that I'm building faster than the budget allows -- even when I haven't spent a dime on the Piet in many weeks! (We have one son that's a junior in college and another starting in the fall.) A new twist on the term "budget overrun!" Best wishes to all for a happy Easter and weekend! Fred B. La Crosse, WI -----Original Message----- From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 1:56 am Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 03/19/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. 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(Dave Case) 7. 02:46 PM - Re: Control horns (walt evans) 8. 02:57 PM - Control Horn mounting (Catdesigns) 9. 03:43 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Rick Holland) 10. 03:44 PM - Re: Panel moulding (Rick Holland) 11. 04:02 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Gary Boothe) 12. 04:57 PM - Re: Control Horn mounting (Ben Charvet) 13. 07:36 PM - Scout and Aircamper in Museum (PatrickW) 14. 07:48 PM - Re: Panel Pictures... (Dave Case) 15. 07:53 PM - Re: Control horns (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:55 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Hey folks, Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly and unsafe. Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded parts. Thanks. Ron **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:00 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: panel pics Is that rope moulding at the bottom of your panel? In a message dated 3/18/2008 10:46:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HelsperSew@aol.com writes: Gene, Here is a photo of my panel. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ____________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. _Watch the video on AOL Home_ (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000300000000 01) . **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:05 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns you can always make them out of .125 flat stock. Many are done that way, including mine. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Hey folks, Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly and unsafe. Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded parts. Thanks. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:01 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel moulding The moulding on the bottom is a decorative inlay that I bought out of a woodworking catalog. Can't remember the name of the place now. Dan H, Poplar Grove **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:30 PM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Pietsrneat@aol.com wrote: > * Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns > and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and > they suck. Ugly and unsafe.* Note that this does not mean everyone should give up on control horns built to plans. A friend made some up for a plane he completed maybe 15 years ago. They were the first part he built--the first welding he did after a lesson at his local EAA chapter, using a Craftsman rig that was probably intended for repairing a broken combine--and they came out strong, pretty, and extremely light--everything you could want in an aircraft part. Owen ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:41 PM PST US From: "Dave Case" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures... I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems the time.. A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel... http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol The boss made me do it. Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:16 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Ron, Why not make them to the plans? They are easy to make. I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet) My feelings were that I wanted to tell all who asked,,,,,"I did every shread of my Piet myself" Trust the plans Trust the plans This will be the 6th year that my Piet has gotten me back without a burp. And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in the front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em. Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ----- Original Message ----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns Hey folks, Years ago I bought laser-cut metal from someone for controls horns and motor mounts. I recently had a friend weld them up for me, and they suck. Ugly and unsafe. Can anyone tell me where I got them, or an alternative to the welded parts. Thanks. Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting From: "Catdesigns" Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch. The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach? I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken, but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that. Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble down the line. Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick up above the covering. Been there done that. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:57 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Pictures... Wow, a moving map display on a Piet! That makes me feel much better about the Stratomaster EIS I am putting in mine (and the AirMap GPS using an AirGizmo to attach to the panel). Rick On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Dave Case wrote: > I've been waiting for an appropriate moment to post this, and now seems > the time.. > > A truly sacrilegious Pietenpol panel... > > > http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99&highlight=pietenpol > > The boss made me do it. > > > Hehe, and yes, I know, I'll have to cut another panel because there's no > room for the cross piece -- this is a prototype. > > -- > David Case > Dav3xor@gmail.com > www.builddiary.net > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:55 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel moulding ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:37 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting Chris, Thanks for the heads-up. I'll want to make sure mine are bent to a 5/8" gap. I don't see how the 1" gap would ever be right. The only solution I can think of for you (besides making new ones) is to cut off the tabs and make new ones to weld back on. It would be a little tricky... Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch. The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach? I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken, but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that. Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble down the line. Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick up above the covering. Been there done that. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:38 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Horn mounting My control horns fit tightly enough on the control surfaces that they won't move if I remove the bolts for covering and replace them on top of the covering. Anyway thats the way I'm planning to do it for now. Just a thought... Ben Catdesigns wrote: > > Speaking of control horns, I have been working on the rudder and the elevator control horns. I have a question about the mounting tabs that get bent out. You know the ones that the two bolts go through. If you follow the plans and bend on the dash line the gap between the upper and lower tabs will be 1-inch. The T-shape piece of wood you mount the horns on is only 5/8th-inch. OK, so I will need to add in some kind of filler block (I dont believe one is shown on the plans) to make up the space. That part Im ok with. My big problem is the bolt head and more importantly the bolt bottom and nut will be above the level of the wood. This will cause a bump (sharp bump on the nut side) under the covering. Is this really how it is supposed to be? I have looked at all the pictures I have and cant tell how this will look with the covering on. Has anyone noticed if everyone has bumps in the covering where the horns attach? > > I have been told Ken Perkins welded a channel onto the horns instead of the tabs. He then runs the bolts fore and aft instead of side to side. Call me chicken, but I dont like trusting my welds that much so I decided not to do that. Im ok with bumps as long as they dont look horrible and will not give me trouble down the line. > > Now before anyone thinks to say just bent the tabs shorter, it would be hard to get any edge clearance around the hole if you do, and the bolt will still stick up above the covering. Been there done that. > > > Chris > > -------- > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171068#171068 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scout and Aircamper in Museum From: "PatrickW" Fountain, MN. Lot of Bernie's stuff in the museum. Worth a visit if you're in the area. Check the hours of operation before you plan a visit, as I think they close early. Here are some pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/Pietenpol Info on the museum: http://fillmorecountyhistory.wordpress.com/museum/ - Pat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171143#171143 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:02 PM PST US From: "Dave Case" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel Pictures... I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You need an EFIS in there!". Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and holds my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;) I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud. Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:46 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control horns I've got an EAA welding video. His welds aren't pretty either! Just paint everything black and that'll hide the uglies. Here's a tip for losing ten pounds. Wear black! :-) Clif "Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is demoralizing." ~ Harriet Braiker Ron, Why not make them to the plans? They are easy to make. I got a small oxy-asetyl set in the beginning of my project. and practiced till I got it right. Maybe not nice to look at, but a weld I'm satisfied with. (nothing flew off yet) And it's light enough that I don't have to worry with a "fattie" in the front seat. If they can fit,,,I can take 'em. Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:33 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: closed circuit for Chris Tracy Chris; Every time I try to send you something it bounces. 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Something about the ringleader being a know instigator of trouble and hilarity. You can email me at my secret email address Catdesigns(at)att.net. or Westcoastpiet(at)westcoastpiet.com, my secret identity know only to an exclusive club of really smart people. Chris Do Not Archive -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171226#171226 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:20 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Decorative panel inlay Here is the source for decorative panel inlays. _http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433_ (http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Horn mounting From: "Catdesigns" Thanks Guys I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the plans. This is the one big thing that has slowed down my building, thinking to much. I have got to learn to trust the plans more. Every time I get bogged down it's because I try to out think the plans. Thanks Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171239#171239 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy From: I knew something fishy was going on there.He was in the process of a build up of milk jugs the same way Saddam was building up his nuclear asenal.Boy ya have to watch these southerners all the time eh! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns Sent: March 20, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: closed circuit for Chris Tracy Oscar, The CIA has insisted I block all communication with you due to your association with cornering the milk jug market. Something about the ringleader being a know instigator of trouble and hilarity. You can email me at my secret email address Catdesigns(at)att.net. or Westcoastpiet(at)westcoastpiet.com, my secret identity know only to an exclusive club of really smart people. Chris Do Not Archive -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171226#171226 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:36 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel Pictures... I have been torn between keeping my Pietenpol more authentic 1929 vintage and learning as much as I can while building (and having a few more conveniences) and I decided on the later. So I am going with the EIS, GPS and a starter and generator even though it will weigh more (although the Stratomaster EIS will cost less and weigh less than six separate gauges). Can't you get an employee discount on the AFS stuff? If not scratch and dent would work for me. Rick On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Dave Case wrote: > I should point out, so that I don't look like a complete jerk... My > original plan was to use older gauges (notice the mag switch...), but when I > started work at AFS, The entire company was constantly giving me crap, "You > need an EFIS in there!". > > Eventually I caved in and made a panel -- this one sits on my desk and > holds my test unit as you can see in the picture. If it ever goes in to the > Pietenpol, the EFIS is going to be made out of scratch & dent parts that we > have lying around -- I can't really afford the products that I work on. ;) > > I wrote the moving map software BTW, I'm very proud. > > Do you like the Stratomaster? I haven't had a chance to see one yet. > > -- > David Case > Dav3xor@gmail.com > www.builddiary.net > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:38 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Horn mounting Happens to me all the time Chris. With me I think it because I work as a software engineer and I am always prototyping thinks many different ways before I decide on the best way to go even if provided a detailed design (they call it "Not invented here syndrome"). However you soon realize that it is almost free to redirect some electrons a different way around a computer chip but when you try to "improve" BP's landing gear or elevator design and you start seeing welded 4130 tubing and epoxied spruce pile up in your trash can you have to get a grip and start repeating to yourself "Follow the Plans!, Follow the Plans!, ..... Rick On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Catdesigns wrote: > > > > Thanks Guys > > I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the plans. > This is the one big thing that has slowed down my building, thinking to > much. I have got to learn to trust the plans more. Every time I get bogged > down it's because I try to out think the plans. > > Thanks > > Chris > > -------- > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171239#171239 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:10 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decorative panel inlay Nice touch. I can't remember seeing a nicer panel. In a message dated 3/20/2008 11:07:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HelsperSew@aol.com writes: Here is the source for decorative panel inlays. _http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433_ (http://www.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=1433) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:58 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Decorative panel inlay Thanks Ron, I wanted to end up with a distinctive airplane when complete. I have seen a lot of really plain instrument panels which is good I suppose if you are a purist. I am a purist of sorts I guess but have my own ideas like a lot of guys. Some of the things I have done to my airplane are neat, but do add weight. I am fortunate enough to be only 147 lbs. so I can justify it to a point. Thanks for the encouragement. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:21 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Horn mounting I agree. Why buy the plans , if you don't use them? What's the old ditty?,,,"you can modify the plans and build a good plane,,,,or follow the plans, and build a better one. (or something like that) I can't remember. :^) Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Horn mounting Happens to me all the time Chris. With me I think it because I work as a software engineer and I am always prototyping thinks many different ways before I decide on the best way to go even if provided a detailed design (they call it "Not invented here syndrome"). However you soon realize that it is almost free to redirect some electrons a different way around a computer chip but when you try to "improve" BP's landing gear or elevator design and you start seeing welded 4130 tubing and epoxied spruce pile up in your trash can you have to get a grip and start repeating to yourself "Follow the Plans!, Follow the Plans!, ..... Rick On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Catdesigns wrote: Thanks Guys I guess I am thinking to much again. I need to just FOLLOW the plans. This is the one big thing that has slowed down my building, thinking to much. I have got to learn to trust the plans more. Every time I get bogged down it's because I try to out think the plans. Thanks Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171239#171239 -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:27 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Horn mounting Hi Guys, I too was a little intimidated by the control horn construction. But one of the reasons I took on the project was to learn how to do new things and be creative. I am so glad I stuck with the plans and made the horns to Bernard's specs. I was very proud of these parts when I finished, partly because perseverance paid off and that is a good feeling. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: plans-built horns are super light and super strong From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" It was a bit of a challenge making the control horns but why add the extra weight back at the tail too ? I say if you're in a rush and don't care about what your plane ends up weighing, make the thicker single 4130 slab horns but otherwise make the two-piece ones. I was very impressed with how light they turned out and how incredibly strong they are. Mike C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.