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1. 04:27 AM - Re: 1st rib ()
2. 05:23 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Bill Church)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Phillips, Jack)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Roman Bukolt)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: 3' Center Section ()
6. 08:15 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Jeff Boatright)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Phillips, Jack)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: A New Person (Phillips, Jack)
9. 08:47 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Rick Holland)
10. 08:53 AM - Re: A New Person (Gary Boothe)
11. 09:04 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Gary Boothe)
12. 11:54 AM - chuck ganzer report (Douwe Blumberg)
13. 11:56 AM - how to flare......Jack shows us how (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
14. 12:10 PM - Re: how to flare......Jack shows us how (Phillips, Jack)
15. 02:48 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (jimboyer@hughes.net)
16. 03:23 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (Owen Davies)
17. 04:48 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (Jeff Boatright)
18. 05:40 PM - Re: A New Person (Lagowski Morrow)
19. 07:59 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (Dick Navratil)
20. 08:13 PM - Piet for sale - Barnstormers (bhassel)
21. 08:17 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=)
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Welcome to the club.You will receive your secret decoding ring in the
mail in two weeks.Be careful how you use this ring and don't tell
anybody except other Pieters that you have one;-) Now as the other
guy said.Quit sending emails and get back to work.HAHAHA!
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: March 22, 2008 12:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
Fellow Pieters,
Today I built my first rib! It took about 2 hrs, including gluing and
nailing all the gussets. I know I'm not telling any of you anything you
don't already know, but I feel like there should be some sort of club,
or secret handshake...something!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
Do not archive!
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| Subject: | 3' Center Section |
Gary,
Bill Rewey's NX17WR has a three-foot center section. It flies (a lot). I
don't know whether he shortened the outboard wing panels or not.
Here's a link to a photo of his center-section:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Bill%20Rewey/bhead050005.JPG
Bill C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the
wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing
with a 3' center section?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
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| Subject: | 3' Center Section |
Mine is a 3-piece wing with a 30" center section. I built the wings to
the 3-piece plans, added 3" to each side of the centersection to
increase fuel capacity. Also increased room for avionics. It requried
modifying the cabane attach fittings. See attached photo.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing
the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3
piece wing with a 3' center section?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in
2000.
Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center
section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and
installation,
ply covering, etc.
This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep
promising
myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine
noises. :-)
Clif
"So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~
Lord Alfred Tennyson
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful
experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: 3' Center Section |
My Piet, NX20795, and Bill Rewey's Piet have 3 ft. center sections
with total wing span of 30 ft. Bill has logged over 30,000 mi. over
the last 18 yrs.
Roman Bukolt
On Mar 23, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Those who are increasing the center section to 3=92, are you
> diminishing the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying
> example of a 3 piece wing with a 3=92 center section?
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> WW Conversion 90% done,
> Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
>
> That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers
> in 2000.
> Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft
> center
> section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and
> installation,
> ply covering, etc.
>
> This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep
> promising
> myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making
> engine noises. :-)
>
> Clif
>
> "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be."
> ~ Lord Alfred Tennyson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
>
> Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful
> experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish
> sooner.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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| Subject: | 3' Center Section |
That's a nice lookin airplane even naked.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Sent: March 24, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Mine is a 3-piece wing with a 30" center section. I built the wings to
the 3-piece plans, added 3" to each side of the centersection to
increase fuel capacity. Also increased room for avionics. It requried
modifying the cabane attach fittings. See attached photo.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing
the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3
piece wing with a 3' center section?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in
2000.
Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center
section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and
installation,
ply covering, etc.
This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep
promising
myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine
noises. :-)
Clif
"So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~
Lord Alfred Tennyson
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful
experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | 3' Center Section |
Jack,
Are those small fuel tanks behind the rear spar?
Thanks,
Jeff
>Mine is a 3-piece wing with a 30" center section. I built the wings
>to the 3-piece plans, added 3" to each side of the centersection to
>increase fuel capacity. Also increased room for avionics. It
>requried modifying the cabane attach fittings. See attached photo.
>
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
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Emory University School of Medicine
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| Subject: | 3' Center Section |
Nope. Avionics. On the left is the transponder and blind encoder. On
the right is the radio and intercom. The fuel tank (15 gallons) is
between the spars.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Jack,
Are those small fuel tanks behind the rear spar?
Thanks,
Jeff
Mine is a 3-piece wing with a 30" center section. I built the
wings to the 3-piece plans, added 3" to each side of the centersection
to increase fuel capacity. Also increased room for avionics. It
requried modifying the cabane attach fittings. See attached photo.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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I'm not sure what to call you. Is your name Morrow? Or Lagowski? Or
J.M.?
Anyway, welcome to the list!
As for flying speeds, my Pietenpol is powered by a 65 hp Continental
with a Sensenich prop and I used the following speeds:
Takeoff 45 mph indicted
Best Rte of Climb 55 mph indicated
Best Angle of Climb 50 mph indicated
Best Glide Anything above stall speed - just
doesn't matter
Approach 55 mph indicated
Stall Speed 35 mph indicated
As for the glide, as long as it is not stalled you can glide anywhere
from 45 to 65 mph and the glide path doesn't change much. A Pietenpol's
glide characteristics are somewhere between those of a brick and a
bowling ball. When you chop the throttle, toss out a brick and see
where it is headed. That's where you will land. Once you are on the
ground, duck to avoid getting hit by the brick.
One caution I can give you - carry a little power in the approach, and
hold it until just before touchdown. If you don't, when you begin to
flair it will bleed off speed very rapidly and unless you time the flair
perfectly, you'll find yourself a couple of feet off the ground with
near zero airspeed. Then you will wish you had more shock absorbing
than the fat tires of a Fly Baby landing gear.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski
Morrow
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A New Person
<jimdeb@charter.net>
Let me introduce myself, a new person on the list-Jim Lagowski. a
Pietenpol
builder in N.W. Michigan near Traverse City. I have been working on mine
for
almost 4 years and am now within 2-3 months of hearing engine noise.
This is
my 2nd plane, the first being an all-composite, 150mph, 2-place KIS
which I
sold in '06.
My Piet. will use a 65hp Continental, hydraulic brakes, gas tank behind
the
firewall, 3 piece wing and at least initally a metal prop that came with
the
engine. This will help I think with weight and balance compared to a
wood
prop and Model A engine. We'll see. The color scheme is ivory with green
trim, including scollops on the wings and vertical and horizontal
stabilizers. landing gear is like the Fly Baby, with no springs or
bungees.
Just fat soft tires. My cabanes and landing gear Vees are laminated ash.
I
still have to cover the fuselage and then paint, and then reinstall the
engine and make the engine cowlings. The tail pieces are done and
painted
and the wings will be finish painted this coming week
My goal is to make Broadhead and Oshkosh this year.
I would be interested in hearing from you flyers what your experience
has
been with speeds for planning purposes, such as cruise, stall, in the
pattern, on final etc. It is time to start outlining my test program.
Since
I have a certified engine and prop I will only have to fly 25 hours
before
taking passengers and leaving the local area. Thanks for your help!
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| Subject: | Re: 3' Center Section |
Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade.
Rick
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing
> the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece
> wing with a 3' center section?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> WW Conversion 90% done,
> Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Clif Dawson
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
>
>
> That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in
> 2000.
>
> Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center
>
> section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and
> installation,
>
> ply covering, etc.
>
>
> This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep
> promising
>
> myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine
> noises. :-)
>
>
> Clif
>
>
> "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord
> Alfred Tennyson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* HelsperSew@aol.com
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
>
>
> Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience.
> I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Have you priced bricks, lately? I say catch the brick so you'll have it for
next time...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A New Person
<Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
I'm not sure what to call you. Is your name Morrow? Or Lagowski? Or
J.M.?
Anyway, welcome to the list!
As for flying speeds, my Pietenpol is powered by a 65 hp Continental
with a Sensenich prop and I used the following speeds:
Takeoff 45 mph indicted
Best Rte of Climb 55 mph indicated
Best Angle of Climb 50 mph indicated
Best Glide Anything above stall speed - just
doesn't matter
Approach 55 mph indicated
Stall Speed 35 mph indicated
As for the glide, as long as it is not stalled you can glide anywhere
from 45 to 65 mph and the glide path doesn't change much. A Pietenpol's
glide characteristics are somewhere between those of a brick and a
bowling ball. When you chop the throttle, toss out a brick and see
where it is headed. That's where you will land. Once you are on the
ground, duck to avoid getting hit by the brick.
One caution I can give you - carry a little power in the approach, and
hold it until just before touchdown. If you don't, when you begin to
flair it will bleed off speed very rapidly and unless you time the flair
perfectly, you'll find yourself a couple of feet off the ground with
near zero airspeed. Then you will wish you had more shock absorbing
than the fat tires of a Fly Baby landing gear.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski
Morrow
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A New Person
<jimdeb@charter.net>
Let me introduce myself, a new person on the list-Jim Lagowski. a
Pietenpol
builder in N.W. Michigan near Traverse City. I have been working on mine
for
almost 4 years and am now within 2-3 months of hearing engine noise.
This is
my 2nd plane, the first being an all-composite, 150mph, 2-place KIS
which I
sold in '06.
My Piet. will use a 65hp Continental, hydraulic brakes, gas tank behind
the
firewall, 3 piece wing and at least initally a metal prop that came with
the
engine. This will help I think with weight and balance compared to a
wood
prop and Model A engine. We'll see. The color scheme is ivory with green
trim, including scollops on the wings and vertical and horizontal
stabilizers. landing gear is like the Fly Baby, with no springs or
bungees.
Just fat soft tires. My cabanes and landing gear Vees are laminated ash.
I
still have to cover the fuselage and then paint, and then reinstall the
engine and make the engine cowlings. The tail pieces are done and
painted
and the wings will be finish painted this coming week
My goal is to make Broadhead and Oshkosh this year.
I would be interested in hearing from you flyers what your experience
has
been with speeds for planning purposes, such as cruise, stall, in the
pattern, on final etc. It is time to start outlining my test program.
Since
I have a certified engine and prop I will only have to fly 25 hours
before
taking passengers and leaving the local area. Thanks for your help!
_________________________________________________
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notify the sender
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| Subject: | 3' Center Section |
So far I have come up with Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and Roman Bukolt. There
may be more, but that's all I know of for now. The pro's seem to all be
about increasing the center section tank size, primarily. Size range from
30", 36" and 48".
Does anyone care to express any concerns or cautions?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade.
Rick
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the
wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing
with a 3' center section?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in 2000.
Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center
section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and
installation,
ply covering, etc.
This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep
promising
myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine
noises. :-)
Clif
"So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord
Alfred Tennyson
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Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. I
am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | chuck ganzer report |
Everybody,
Just wanted to let those of you who were wondering that I just got a
reply from Chuck and he's fine. He's been really busy at work and
building a new hangar home on a little grass strip. I told him we
missed him.
D
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| Subject: | how to flare......Jack shows us how |
Jack touching down enroute to Brodhead and Oshkosh, 2005 at Columbia
Station, Ohio.
Squeak, squeak.....rolllllllllllllto a stop, turn around..... Nice.
Very nice.
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| Subject: | how to flare......Jack shows us how |
Even a blind pig finds an acorn every now and then...
I've never seen that picture, Mike. Didn't know you shot that one.
Thanks,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to flare......Jack shows us how
Jack touching down enroute to Brodhead and Oshkosh, 2005 at Columbia
Station, Ohio.
Squeak, squeak.....rolllllllllllllto a stop, turn around..... Nice.
Very nice.
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| Subject: | 3' Center Section |
Hi Jack,
The woodwork on your Piet is beautiful. I really like the fine way you did the
scallops on the turtle deck and also at the tail surface rib attachment point.
Great looking; too bad you can't just fly it with transparent mylar covering.
Thanks for the photo,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: 3' Center Section |
jimboyer@hughes.net wrote:
>
> The woodwork on your Piet is beautiful. I really like the fine way you
> did the scallops on the turtle deck and also at the tail surface rib
> attachment point.
>
> Great looking; too bad you can't just fly it with transparent mylar
> covering.
>
Actually, he probably can. Aside from all the Lazairs that have flown
that way--not too much slower than a Piet, in fact--someone was flying a
DeHavilland Canuck covered in Mylar. Ought to work just fine on a Piet.
Owen
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| Subject: | 3' Center Section |
Avionics? Encoder? Rado? Intercom? You speak in strange tongue, oh
mighty Carolinian! :)
Neat placement ideas.
>Nope. Avionics. On the left is the transponder and blind encoder.
>On the right is the radio and intercom. The fuel tank (15 gallons)
>is between the spars.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Boatright
>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:12 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
>
>Jack,
>
>Are those small fuel tanks behind the rear spar?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>
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| Subject: | Re: A New Person |
Jack, many thanks for the speed info. I especially enjoued the gliding
discussion!
Where are you located?
You can call me Jim. My wife is Debbie Morrow
Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A New Person
> <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>
> I'm not sure what to call you. Is your name Morrow? Or Lagowski? Or
> J.M.?
>
> Anyway, welcome to the list!
>
> As for flying speeds, my Pietenpol is powered by a 65 hp Continental
> with a Sensenich prop and I used the following speeds:
>
> Takeoff 45 mph indicted
> Best Rte of Climb 55 mph indicated
> Best Angle of Climb 50 mph indicated
> Best Glide Anything above stall speed - just
> doesn't matter
> Approach 55 mph indicated
> Stall Speed 35 mph indicated
>
> As for the glide, as long as it is not stalled you can glide anywhere
> from 45 to 65 mph and the glide path doesn't change much. A Pietenpol's
> glide characteristics are somewhere between those of a brick and a
> bowling ball. When you chop the throttle, toss out a brick and see
> where it is headed. That's where you will land. Once you are on the
> ground, duck to avoid getting hit by the brick.
>
> One caution I can give you - carry a little power in the approach, and
> hold it until just before touchdown. If you don't, when you begin to
> flair it will bleed off speed very rapidly and unless you time the flair
> perfectly, you'll find yourself a couple of feet off the ground with
> near zero airspeed. Then you will wish you had more shock absorbing
> than the fat tires of a Fly Baby landing gear.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski
> Morrow
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A New Person
>
> <jimdeb@charter.net>
>
> Let me introduce myself, a new person on the list-Jim Lagowski. a
> Pietenpol
> builder in N.W. Michigan near Traverse City. I have been working on mine
> for
> almost 4 years and am now within 2-3 months of hearing engine noise.
> This is
> my 2nd plane, the first being an all-composite, 150mph, 2-place KIS
> which I
> sold in '06.
>
> My Piet. will use a 65hp Continental, hydraulic brakes, gas tank behind
> the
> firewall, 3 piece wing and at least initally a metal prop that came with
> the
> engine. This will help I think with weight and balance compared to a
> wood
> prop and Model A engine. We'll see. The color scheme is ivory with green
>
> trim, including scollops on the wings and vertical and horizontal
> stabilizers. landing gear is like the Fly Baby, with no springs or
> bungees.
> Just fat soft tires. My cabanes and landing gear Vees are laminated ash.
> I
> still have to cover the fuselage and then paint, and then reinstall the
> engine and make the engine cowlings. The tail pieces are done and
> painted
> and the wings will be finish painted this coming week
>
> My goal is to make Broadhead and Oshkosh this year.
>
> I would be interested in hearing from you flyers what your experience
> has
> been with speeds for planning purposes, such as cruise, stall, in the
> pattern, on final etc. It is time to start outlining my test program.
> Since
> I have a certified engine and prop I will only have to fly 25 hours
> before
> taking passengers and leaving the local area. Thanks for your help!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3' Center Section |
Me too. I have a 37" center section and I copied Jack's cut out for
radios. I made my wings to plan.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
So far I have come up with Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and Roman Bukolt.
There may be more, but that's all I know of for now. The pro's seem to
all be about increasing the center section tank size, primarily. Size
range from 30", 36" and 48".
Does anyone care to express any concerns or cautions?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:45 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a
decade.
Rick
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing
the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3
piece wing with a 3' center section?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in
2000.
Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft
center
section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and
installation,
ply covering, etc.
This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep
promising
myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine
noises. :-)
Clif
"So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~
Lord Alfred Tennyson
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful
experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Piet for sale - Barnstormers |
$5,000 w/o engine, 8 with
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172435#172435
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| Subject: | Re: 3' Center Section |
Just curious as to how that may impact the wing loading especially since it increases
overall square footage of wing surface
Has anyone done the calculations?
Or is it an even tradeoff?
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Me too. I have a 37" center section and I copied Jack's cut out for radios. I made
my wings to plan.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary
Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
So far I have come up with Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and Roman Bukolt. There may
be more, but thats all I know of for now. The pros seem to all be about increasing
the center section tank size, primarily. Size range from 30, 36 and 48.
Does anyone care to express any concerns or cautions?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group
----------------
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section
Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade.
Rick
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> > wrote:
Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the wings
by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing with a
3' center section?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (and ribs)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> ] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in 2000.
Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center
section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and installation,
ply covering, etc.
This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep promising
myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine noises. :-)
Clif
"So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord Alfred
Tennyson
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com <mailto:HelsperSew@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib
Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. I am
8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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