---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/24/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:27 AM - Re: 1st rib () 2. 05:23 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Bill Church) 3. 05:55 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Phillips, Jack) 4. 06:22 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Roman Bukolt) 5. 06:38 AM - Re: 3' Center Section () 6. 08:15 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Jeff Boatright) 7. 08:24 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Phillips, Jack) 8. 08:43 AM - Re: A New Person (Phillips, Jack) 9. 08:47 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Rick Holland) 10. 08:53 AM - Re: A New Person (Gary Boothe) 11. 09:04 AM - Re: 3' Center Section (Gary Boothe) 12. 11:54 AM - chuck ganzer report (Douwe Blumberg) 13. 11:56 AM - how to flare......Jack shows us how (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 14. 12:10 PM - Re: how to flare......Jack shows us how (Phillips, Jack) 15. 02:48 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (jimboyer@hughes.net) 16. 03:23 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (Owen Davies) 17. 04:48 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (Jeff Boatright) 18. 05:40 PM - Re: A New Person (Lagowski Morrow) 19. 07:59 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (Dick Navratil) 20. 08:13 PM - Piet for sale - Barnstormers (bhassel) 21. 08:17 PM - Re: 3' Center Section (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib From: Welcome to the club.You will receive your secret decoding ring in the mail in two weeks.Be careful how you use this ring and don't tell anybody except other Pieters that you have one;-) Now as the other guy said.Quit sending emails and get back to work.HAHAHA! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: March 22, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib Fellow Pieters, Today I built my first rib! It took about 2 hrs, including gluing and nailing all the gussets. I know I'm not telling any of you anything you don't already know, but I feel like there should be some sort of club, or secret handshake...something! Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group (and ribs) Do not archive! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:39 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Gary, Bill Rewey's NX17WR has a three-foot center section. It flies (a lot). I don't know whether he shortened the outboard wing panels or not. Here's a link to a photo of his center-section: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Bill%20Rewey/bhead050005.JPG Bill C. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing with a 3' center section? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group (and ribs) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section From: "Phillips, Jack" Mine is a 3-piece wing with a 30" center section. I built the wings to the 3-piece plans, added 3" to each side of the centersection to increase fuel capacity. Also increased room for avionics. It requried modifying the cabane attach fittings. See attached photo. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing with a 3' center section? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group (and ribs) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in 2000. Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and installation, ply covering, etc. This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep promising myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine noises. :-) Clif "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord Alfred Tennyson ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _____ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. 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Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:06 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section My Piet, NX20795, and Bill Rewey's Piet have 3 ft. center sections with total wing span of 30 ft. Bill has logged over 30,000 mi. over the last 18 yrs. Roman Bukolt On Mar 23, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Those who are increasing the center section to 3=92, are you > diminishing the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying > example of a 3 piece wing with a 3=92 center section? > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > WW Conversion 90% done, > Working on Tail Group (and ribs) > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib > > That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers > in 2000. > Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft > center > section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and > installation, > ply covering, etc. > > This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep > promising > myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making > engine noises. :-) > > Clif > > "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." > ~ Lord Alfred Tennyson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HelsperSew@aol.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib > > Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful > experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish > sooner. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > 3/22/2008 4:43 PM > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section From: That's a nice lookin airplane even naked. Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: March 24, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Mine is a 3-piece wing with a 30" center section. I built the wings to the 3-piece plans, added 3" to each side of the centersection to increase fuel capacity. Also increased room for avionics. It requried modifying the cabane attach fittings. See attached photo. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing with a 3' center section? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group (and ribs) ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in 2000. Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and installation, ply covering, etc. This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep promising myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine noises. :-) Clif "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord Alfred Tennyson ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home . href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ 3/22/2008 4:43 PM http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:46 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Jack, Are those small fuel tanks behind the rear spar? Thanks, Jeff >Mine is a 3-piece wing with a 30" center section. I built the wings >to the 3-piece plans, added 3" to each side of the centersection to >increase fuel capacity. Also increased room for avionics. It >requried modifying the cabane attach fittings. See attached photo. > > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section From: "Phillips, Jack" Nope. Avionics. On the left is the transponder and blind encoder. On the right is the radio and intercom. The fuel tank (15 gallons) is between the spars. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Jack, Are those small fuel tanks behind the rear spar? Thanks, Jeff Mine is a 3-piece wing with a 30" center section. I built the wings to the 3-piece plans, added 3" to each side of the centersection to increase fuel capacity. Also increased room for avionics. It requried modifying the cabane attach fittings. See attached photo. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A New Person From: "Phillips, Jack" I'm not sure what to call you. Is your name Morrow? Or Lagowski? Or J.M.? Anyway, welcome to the list! As for flying speeds, my Pietenpol is powered by a 65 hp Continental with a Sensenich prop and I used the following speeds: Takeoff 45 mph indicted Best Rte of Climb 55 mph indicated Best Angle of Climb 50 mph indicated Best Glide Anything above stall speed - just doesn't matter Approach 55 mph indicated Stall Speed 35 mph indicated As for the glide, as long as it is not stalled you can glide anywhere from 45 to 65 mph and the glide path doesn't change much. A Pietenpol's glide characteristics are somewhere between those of a brick and a bowling ball. When you chop the throttle, toss out a brick and see where it is headed. That's where you will land. Once you are on the ground, duck to avoid getting hit by the brick. One caution I can give you - carry a little power in the approach, and hold it until just before touchdown. If you don't, when you begin to flair it will bleed off speed very rapidly and unless you time the flair perfectly, you'll find yourself a couple of feet off the ground with near zero airspeed. Then you will wish you had more shock absorbing than the fat tires of a Fly Baby landing gear. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski Morrow Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A New Person Let me introduce myself, a new person on the list-Jim Lagowski. a Pietenpol builder in N.W. Michigan near Traverse City. I have been working on mine for almost 4 years and am now within 2-3 months of hearing engine noise. This is my 2nd plane, the first being an all-composite, 150mph, 2-place KIS which I sold in '06. My Piet. will use a 65hp Continental, hydraulic brakes, gas tank behind the firewall, 3 piece wing and at least initally a metal prop that came with the engine. This will help I think with weight and balance compared to a wood prop and Model A engine. We'll see. The color scheme is ivory with green trim, including scollops on the wings and vertical and horizontal stabilizers. landing gear is like the Fly Baby, with no springs or bungees. Just fat soft tires. My cabanes and landing gear Vees are laminated ash. I still have to cover the fuselage and then paint, and then reinstall the engine and make the engine cowlings. The tail pieces are done and painted and the wings will be finish painted this coming week My goal is to make Broadhead and Oshkosh this year. I would be interested in hearing from you flyers what your experience has been with speeds for planning purposes, such as cruise, stall, in the pattern, on final etc. It is time to start outlining my test program. Since I have a certified engine and prop I will only have to fly 25 hours before taking passengers and leaving the local area. Thanks for your help! _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:50 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade. Rick On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing > the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece > wing with a 3' center section? > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > WW Conversion 90% done, > Working on Tail Group (and ribs) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Clif Dawson > *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib > > > That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in > 2000. > > Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center > > section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and > installation, > > ply covering, etc. > > > This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep > promising > > myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine > noises. :-) > > > Clif > > > "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord > Alfred Tennyson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* HelsperSew@aol.com > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib > > > Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. > I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner. > > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > ------------------------------ > > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home > . > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > ------------------------------ > > 3/22/2008 4:43 PM > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:28 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A New Person Have you priced bricks, lately? I say catch the brick so you'll have it for next time... Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A New Person I'm not sure what to call you. Is your name Morrow? Or Lagowski? Or J.M.? Anyway, welcome to the list! As for flying speeds, my Pietenpol is powered by a 65 hp Continental with a Sensenich prop and I used the following speeds: Takeoff 45 mph indicted Best Rte of Climb 55 mph indicated Best Angle of Climb 50 mph indicated Best Glide Anything above stall speed - just doesn't matter Approach 55 mph indicated Stall Speed 35 mph indicated As for the glide, as long as it is not stalled you can glide anywhere from 45 to 65 mph and the glide path doesn't change much. A Pietenpol's glide characteristics are somewhere between those of a brick and a bowling ball. When you chop the throttle, toss out a brick and see where it is headed. That's where you will land. Once you are on the ground, duck to avoid getting hit by the brick. One caution I can give you - carry a little power in the approach, and hold it until just before touchdown. If you don't, when you begin to flair it will bleed off speed very rapidly and unless you time the flair perfectly, you'll find yourself a couple of feet off the ground with near zero airspeed. Then you will wish you had more shock absorbing than the fat tires of a Fly Baby landing gear. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski Morrow Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A New Person Let me introduce myself, a new person on the list-Jim Lagowski. a Pietenpol builder in N.W. Michigan near Traverse City. I have been working on mine for almost 4 years and am now within 2-3 months of hearing engine noise. This is my 2nd plane, the first being an all-composite, 150mph, 2-place KIS which I sold in '06. My Piet. will use a 65hp Continental, hydraulic brakes, gas tank behind the firewall, 3 piece wing and at least initally a metal prop that came with the engine. This will help I think with weight and balance compared to a wood prop and Model A engine. We'll see. The color scheme is ivory with green trim, including scollops on the wings and vertical and horizontal stabilizers. landing gear is like the Fly Baby, with no springs or bungees. Just fat soft tires. My cabanes and landing gear Vees are laminated ash. I still have to cover the fuselage and then paint, and then reinstall the engine and make the engine cowlings. The tail pieces are done and painted and the wings will be finish painted this coming week My goal is to make Broadhead and Oshkosh this year. I would be interested in hearing from you flyers what your experience has been with speeds for planning purposes, such as cruise, stall, in the pattern, on final etc. It is time to start outlining my test program. Since I have a certified engine and prop I will only have to fly 25 hours before taking passengers and leaving the local area. Thanks for your help! _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:44 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section So far I have come up with Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and Roman Bukolt. There may be more, but that's all I know of for now. The pro's seem to all be about increasing the center section tank size, primarily. Size range from 30", 36" and 48". Does anyone care to express any concerns or cautions? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade. Rick On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing with a 3' center section? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group (and ribs) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in 2000. Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and installation, ply covering, etc. This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep promising myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine noises. :-) Clif "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord Alfred Tennyson ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _____ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ 3/22/2008 4:43 PM http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:50 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: chuck ganzer report Everybody, Just wanted to let those of you who were wondering that I just got a reply from Chuck and he's fine. He's been really busy at work and building a new hangar home on a little grass strip. I told him we missed him. D ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to flare......Jack shows us how From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Jack touching down enroute to Brodhead and Oshkosh, 2005 at Columbia Station, Ohio. Squeak, squeak.....rolllllllllllllto a stop, turn around..... Nice. Very nice. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:56 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: how to flare......Jack shows us how From: "Phillips, Jack" Even a blind pig finds an acorn every now and then... I've never seen that picture, Mike. Didn't know you shot that one. Thanks, Jack Phillips NX899JP. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to flare......Jack shows us how Jack touching down enroute to Brodhead and Oshkosh, 2005 at Columbia Station, Ohio. Squeak, squeak.....rolllllllllllllto a stop, turn around..... Nice. Very nice. _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:03 PM PST US From: "jimboyer@hughes.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Hi Jack, The woodwork on your Piet is beautiful. I really like the fine way you did the scallops on the turtle deck and also at the tail surface rib attachment point. Great looking; too bad you can't just fly it with transparent mylar covering. Thanks for the photo, Jim Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:30 PM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section jimboyer@hughes.net wrote: > > The woodwork on your Piet is beautiful. I really like the fine way you > did the scallops on the turtle deck and also at the tail surface rib > attachment point. > > Great looking; too bad you can't just fly it with transparent mylar > covering. > Actually, he probably can. Aside from all the Lazairs that have flown that way--not too much slower than a Piet, in fact--someone was flying a DeHavilland Canuck covered in Mylar. Ought to work just fine on a Piet. Owen ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:00 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Avionics? Encoder? Rado? Intercom? You speak in strange tongue, oh mighty Carolinian! :) Neat placement ideas. >Nope. Avionics. On the left is the transponder and blind encoder. >On the right is the radio and intercom. The fuel tank (15 gallons) >is between the spars. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Boatright >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:12 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section > >Jack, > >Are those small fuel tanks behind the rear spar? > >Thanks, > >Jeff > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:58 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A New Person Jack, many thanks for the speed info. I especially enjoued the gliding discussion! Where are you located? You can call me Jim. My wife is Debbie Morrow Jim Lagowski, NX221PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillips, Jack" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A New Person > > > I'm not sure what to call you. Is your name Morrow? Or Lagowski? Or > J.M.? > > Anyway, welcome to the list! > > As for flying speeds, my Pietenpol is powered by a 65 hp Continental > with a Sensenich prop and I used the following speeds: > > Takeoff 45 mph indicted > Best Rte of Climb 55 mph indicated > Best Angle of Climb 50 mph indicated > Best Glide Anything above stall speed - just > doesn't matter > Approach 55 mph indicated > Stall Speed 35 mph indicated > > As for the glide, as long as it is not stalled you can glide anywhere > from 45 to 65 mph and the glide path doesn't change much. A Pietenpol's > glide characteristics are somewhere between those of a brick and a > bowling ball. When you chop the throttle, toss out a brick and see > where it is headed. That's where you will land. Once you are on the > ground, duck to avoid getting hit by the brick. > > One caution I can give you - carry a little power in the approach, and > hold it until just before touchdown. If you don't, when you begin to > flair it will bleed off speed very rapidly and unless you time the flair > perfectly, you'll find yourself a couple of feet off the ground with > near zero airspeed. Then you will wish you had more shock absorbing > than the fat tires of a Fly Baby landing gear. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lagowski > Morrow > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:41 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: A New Person > > > > Let me introduce myself, a new person on the list-Jim Lagowski. a > Pietenpol > builder in N.W. Michigan near Traverse City. I have been working on mine > for > almost 4 years and am now within 2-3 months of hearing engine noise. > This is > my 2nd plane, the first being an all-composite, 150mph, 2-place KIS > which I > sold in '06. > > My Piet. will use a 65hp Continental, hydraulic brakes, gas tank behind > the > firewall, 3 piece wing and at least initally a metal prop that came with > the > engine. This will help I think with weight and balance compared to a > wood > prop and Model A engine. We'll see. The color scheme is ivory with green > > trim, including scollops on the wings and vertical and horizontal > stabilizers. landing gear is like the Fly Baby, with no springs or > bungees. > Just fat soft tires. My cabanes and landing gear Vees are laminated ash. > I > still have to cover the fuselage and then paint, and then reinstall the > engine and make the engine cowlings. The tail pieces are done and > painted > and the wings will be finish painted this coming week > > My goal is to make Broadhead and Oshkosh this year. > > I would be interested in hearing from you flyers what your experience > has > been with speeds for planning purposes, such as cruise, stall, in the > pattern, on final etc. It is time to start outlining my test program. > Since > I have a certified engine and prop I will only have to fly 25 hours > before > taking passengers and leaving the local area. Thanks for your help! > > > _________________________________________________ > > or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please > notify the sender > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - > Norsk - Portuguese > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:42 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Me too. I have a 37" center section and I copied Jack's cut out for radios. I made my wings to plan. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section So far I have come up with Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and Roman Bukolt. There may be more, but that's all I know of for now. The pro's seem to all be about increasing the center section tank size, primarily. Size range from 30", 36" and 48". Does anyone care to express any concerns or cautions? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:45 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade. Rick On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing with a 3' center section? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group (and ribs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in 2000. Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and installation, ply covering, etc. This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep promising myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine noises. :-) Clif "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord Alfred Tennyson ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 3/22/2008 4:43 PM http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet for sale - Barnstormers From: "bhassel" $5,000 w/o engine, 8 with Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172435#172435 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" Just curious as to how that may impact the wing loading especially since it increases overall square footage of wing surface Has anyone done the calculations? Or is it an even tradeoff? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Dick Navratil" To: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Me too. I have a 37" center section and I copied Jack's cut out for radios. I made my wings to plan. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section So far I have come up with Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and Roman Bukolt. There may be more, but thats all I know of for now. The pros seem to all be about increasing the center section tank size, primarily. Size range from 30, 36 and 48. Does anyone care to express any concerns or cautions? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group ---------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3' Center Section Bill Rewey's Piet has that setup and has been flying for at least a decade. Rick On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gary Boothe > wrote: Those who are increasing the center section to 3', are you diminishing the wings by a like amount? Does anyone have a flying example of a 3 piece wing with a 3' center section? Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group (and ribs) ---------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib That's just about where I am, started and finished the tailfeathers in 2000. Now here it is, 2008 and 740 hours later. I'm working on my 3 ft center section now. It's mounted but will be off again for tank fitting and installation, ply covering, etc. This thing sure does look different with it sitting up there!.I keep promising myself I'll take pictures but I seem to spend that time making engine noises. :-) Clif "So many worlds, so much to do, so little done, such things to be." ~ Lord Alfred Tennyson ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st rib Congratulations Gary!! Now you are on your way to a wonderful experience. I am 8 years and counting. Hopefully you will finish sooner. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ---------------- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. 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