---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/26/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind () 2. 05:58 AM - Sky Skout Plans wanted (Pastor Mike Townsley) 3. 06:16 AM - Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind (Owen Davies) 4. 06:48 AM - Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind (bike.mike) 5. 07:25 AM - Drum Brakes (Bill Church) 6. 08:57 AM - landing a Piet with a strong headwind (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 02:46 PM - Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind (Don Emch) 8. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind (Owen Davies) 9. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind (Richard Baker) 10. 06:50 PM - spreader bar gear question (Gene Rambo) 11. 08:32 PM - Re: spreader bar gear question (gcardinal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: landing a Piet with a strong headwind From: You ought to try flying a Lazair into a strong head wind.You actually land moving backwards.Role out is in reverse.Scary stuff! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: March 25, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing a Piet with a strong headwind You know those dreams where your feet feel like they have been dipped in big gobs of cold honey and you're trying to run out of a jealous husband's house ? That's how slow it feels to land a Piet into a strong headwind. Mike C. in Ohio How would you know about that particular feeling Mike? Rick do not archive -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:43 AM PST US From: Pastor Mike Townsley Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Skout Plans wanted I would like to buy a set of sky scout plans, full size version, I already have the flying and glider manual ones. Email me at miket@southslope.net with your price. Thanks Mike ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:09 AM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing a Piet with a strong headwind harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: > > You ought to try flying a Lazair into a strong head wind.You actually > land moving backwards.Role out is in reverse.Scary stuff! > Years ago, a guy I knew did that at Teterboro--in a Skyhawk! Said later that he was sure he was going to die, probably by backing into a smokestack. Owen ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:16 AM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing a Piet with a strong headwind My "air taxi" experience was in a Champ leaving Mojave (Burt Rutan country) in a surprisingly steady 40 knot breeze. I started and did my run-up with the wing tie-downs still on. When I was ready, the line boy untied me. I hovered out of the tie down spot, rolling probably 20 feet, air taxied like a helicopter to the runway and climbed backwards (very disconcerting). As soon as I turned downwind, the airport disappeared. Mike Hardaway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Davies" > > harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: > > > > You ought to try flying a Lazair into a strong head wind.You actually > > land moving backwards.Role out is in reverse.Scary stuff! > > > Years ago, a guy I knew did that at Teterboro--in a Skyhawk! Said later > that he was sure he was going to die, probably by backing into a smokestack. > > Owen ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:12 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drum Brakes Looks like I forgot to give the link to the website of the drum brakes made for the Flitzer. Here it is: http://www.waseyaeroplanes.com/index.html/brakes.htm Looks like good quality work, even if a bit pricey. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:41 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing a Piet with a strong headwind Bike.mike wrote- >My "air taxi" experience was in a Champ leaving Mojave >I hovered out of the tie down spot, rolling probably 20 feet, >air taxied like a helicopter to the runway and climbed backwards And you thought Texans told tall tales! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind From: "Don Emch" I guess my story isn't as exciting as the last one, but I was flying back to my home strip one day and the wind was mostly down the runway and was reported at 16 gusting to 22. It wasn't too bad but I know exactly what you mean Mike C. I came down the runway and into the flair and felt like I was jogging along up and down until it settled on to the strip. The rollout was ridiculously short and as I rolled to a stop only a couple hundred feet from the threshold all I could do was laugh. It feels so strange all you can do is sit there and laugh and think 'That was F-U-U-U-N!' Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172859#172859 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:18 PM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind Don Emch wrote: > It feels so strange all you can do is sit there and laugh and think 'That was F-U-U-U-N!' Years ago, as a student pilot, I went out for a solo cross-country in the Colt we owned back then. The weather people were calling 10 kt with minor gusts. I got the Colt off the ground, and the moment it was over the trees started fighting to keep the wings facing up. Over the next 45 minutes or so, my left shoulder felt bruised, and my head hit the liner two or three times despite a well-cinched belt. I pretty much forgot about where I was going until what should have been two-thirds of the way through the flight. (This did not worry me much, as I was heading north out of Keene, NH, and there wasn't any controlled airspace to worry about until much farther than I intended to go.) Then I recognized the airport below, about 40 degrees off course. I thought for a minute or so about aiming for my original destination and decided just to head home. I later learned that gusts had tipped my instructor's Warrior into a 90-degree bank twice in a 20-mile flight. It seemed exciting at the time. The point being that I've never been more relieved to get back on the ground in an airplane that was still working. (Not that I have all that much air time, alas!) But no sooner had I tied it down and begun walking to the car than I was looking up at the sky, which suddenly was bright blue instead of dark overcast, wishing that it were a nicer day to fly and I could get back into the air. Owen ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:37 PM PST US From: "Richard Baker" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind We had consistent winds of 20 - 30 just south at Worcester, MA (KORH)which many times required 2100 RPM on final to 33 so that you could get in a reasonable number of touch and go's in your allotted hour of instruction. Dick Baker www.aerovisiontech.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Owen Davies Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing a Piet with a strong headwind Don Emch wrote: > It feels so strange all you can do is sit there and laugh and think 'That was F-U-U-U-N!' Years ago, as a student pilot, I went out for a solo cross-country in the Colt we owned back then. The weather people were calling 10 kt with minor gusts. I got the Colt off the ground, and the moment it was over the trees started fighting to keep the wings facing up. Over the next 45 minutes or so, my left shoulder felt bruised, and my head hit the liner two or three times despite a well-cinched belt. I pretty much forgot about where I was going until what should have been two-thirds of the way through the flight. (This did not worry me much, as I was heading north out of Keene, NH, and there wasn't any controlled airspace to worry about until much farther than I intended to go.) Then I recognized the airport below, about 40 degrees off course. I thought for a minute or so about aiming for my original destination and decided just to head home. I later learned that gusts had tipped my instructor's Warrior into a 90-degree bank twice in a 20-mile flight. It seemed exciting at the time. The point being that I've never been more relieved to get back on the ground in an airplane that was still working. (Not that I have all that much air time, alas!) But no sooner had I tied it down and begun walking to the car than I was looking up at the sky, which suddenly was bright blue instead of dark overcast, wishing that it were a nicer day to fly and I could get back into the air. Owen Checked by AVG. 8:52 AM Checked by AVG. 8:52 AM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:58 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: spreader bar gear question OK, you guys with spreader bar gear . . . how much space did you leave between the ash block and the inner wheel retainer? I assume we need to leave some space for the shock cord, but how much? I have the gear finished and bolted on, and I am ready to cut my axle to length. I just want to make sure I leave enough excess. Gene ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:21 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spreader bar gear question Hi Gene, Two inches is about right for 3 wraps of 5/8" cord. See attached. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo OK, you guys with spreader bar gear . . . how much space did you leave between the ash block and the inner wheel retainer? I assume we need to leave some space for the shock cord, but how much? I have the gear finished and bolted on, and I am ready to cut my axle to length. I just want to make sure I leave enough excess. 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