Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 03/31/08


Total Messages Posted: 32



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     1. 05:45 AM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (Thomas Bernie)
     2. 06:26 AM - Re: N number reservation (TOM STINEMETZE)
     3. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: N number reservation (Phillips, Jack)
     4. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: N number reservation (Gene Rambo)
     5. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: N number reservation (hvandervoo@aol.com)
     6. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: N number reservation (Roman Bukolt)
     7. 07:23 AM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (Owen Davies)
     8. 07:42 AM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (Bill Church)
     9. 07:49 AM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (Bill Church)
    10. 07:50 AM - NX (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    11. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: N number reservation (Ryan Mueller)
    12. 08:10 AM - Re: NX (Gene Rambo)
    13. 08:21 AM - Re: NX (TOM STINEMETZE)
    14. 09:16 AM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (del magsam)
    15. 09:49 AM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (Bill Church)
    16. 10:06 AM - radio calls and NX (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    17. 10:51 AM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (Brian Kraut)
    18. 11:14 AM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (hvandervoo@aol.com)
    19. 12:31 PM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (Bill Church)
    20. 12:47 PM - Take off roll (outofthebox50@YAHOO.COM)
    21. 01:07 PM - Re: Take off roll (Phillips, Jack)
    22. 02:45 PM - "moth" wing tank (Douwe Blumberg)
    23. 03:37 PM - Re: "moth" wing tank (Steve Eldredge)
    24. 04:55 PM - Re: covering wing roots made inexpensive (shad bell)
    25. 05:46 PM - Re: "moth" wing tank (Ryan Michals)
    26. 06:07 PM - Re: Take off roll (outofthebox50@yahoo.com)
    27. 06:40 PM - Re: "moth" wing tank (jimd)
    28. 06:48 PM - F-22 (T White)
    29. 07:33 PM - Re: Take off roll (gcardinal)
    30. 08:30 PM - Re: Homemade Turnbuckles (BScott116@aol.com)
    31. 10:50 PM - Hardwire & Turnbuckles (Clif Dawson)
    32. 11:22 PM - Re: Re: "moth" wing tank (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:45:08 AM PST US
    From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Homemade Turnbuckles
    I use an allen wrench, holding the nut with a custom made spanner (or a vicegrip if I have clearance). It's not easy and you have to be careful not to twist the cable, but once it's locked down it's fine. On Mar 30, 2008, at 10:09 PM, Owen Davies wrote: > > > > Thomas Bernie wrote: >> I did my turnbuckles in a similar fashion (independently). > How do you tighten them? There isn't much clearance to get a wrench > in, much less actually turn the nut. > > Owen > > Thomas Bernie tsbe


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    Time: 06:26:36 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: N number reservation
    Don: Using the NX would have been my first choice also. However the FAA seems to have taken that option off the table. If you go to the FAA N Number reservations website (http://www.faa.gov/licenses%5Fcertificates/aircraft%5Fcertification/aircraft%5Fregistry/special%5Fnnumbers/) you will find the following explanation: The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with NC, NX, NR, or NL. On some older aircraft, these numbers may be displayed in accordance with FAR Part 45.22. The site only allows you to begin with a number which is why I ended my number with X. (Besides which "X-Ray" just sounds cool.) "Experimental 328 X-Ray inbound for low pass over the spaceport . . er, airport." Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ / \ >>> EmchAir@aol.com 3/29/2008 8:23 AM >>> >you know this, but if there are others that don't, remember if you use NX at the front of your number when you paint it on the airplane it takes the place of painting >EXPERIMENTAL on the fuselage near the cockpit. Just a nice little bonus of building an older design. BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:STINEMETZE, TOM TEL;WORK:620-245-2548 ORG:;ZONING & PLANNING EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:TOMS@MCPCITY.COM N:STINEMETZE;TOM TITLE:CITY SANITATION / ZONING ADMIN. END:VCARD


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    Time: 06:44:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: N number reservation
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
    The FAA will not ISSUE an NX number. However, you can still use the NX, and avoid having to stencil "Experimental" on your airplane. Mine is offically listed as N899JP, but I painted it on as NX899JP and the Inspector from the FSDO did not bat an eye at that. If you have a radio and call in to air traffice control, you can either call yourself "Experimental " or "November X-Ray..." I like to call in and just call myself "November X-Ray Eight Niner Niner Juliet Papa". They invariably ask what kind of experimental I am. I tell them I'm a Pietenpol Air Camper and ask for a groundspeed readout, which is usually somewhere around 60 knots. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number reservation Don: Using the NX would have been my first choice also. However the FAA seems to have taken that option off the table. If you go to the FAA N Number reservations website (http://www.faa.gov/licenses%5Fcertificates/aircraft%5Fcertification/air craft%5Fregistry/special%5Fnnumbers/) you will find the following explanation: * The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with NC, NX, NR, or NL. On some older aircraft, these numbers may be displayed in accordance with FAR Part 45.22. <http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/CFB016AA 41963A1C86256A6900512337?OpenDocument> The site only allows you to begin with a number which is why I ended my number with X. (Besides which "X-Ray" just sounds cool.) "Experimental 328 X-Ray inbound for low pass over the spaceport . . er, airport." Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ / \ >>> EmchAir@aol.com 3/29/2008 8:23 AM >>> >you know this, but if there are others that don't, remember if you use NX at the front of your number when you paint it on the airplane it takes the place of painting >EXPERIMENTAL on the fuselage near the cockpit. Just a nice little bonus of building an older design. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 06:47:33 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: N number reservation
    The option is not off of the table. All that this passage means is that the FAA does not include the X with the issued number, a practice they stopped in the 1940's. Display in accordance with Part 45.22 means that you CAN put an X, or C, or R, after the N, as appropriate, and in the case of an X, omit the "experimental" painted on the side. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM STINEMETZE<mailto:TOMS@mcpcity.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number reservation Don: Using the NX would have been my first choice also. However the FAA seems to have taken that option off the table. If you go to the FAA N Number reservations website (http://www.faa.gov/licenses%5Fcertificates/aircraft%5Fcertification/airc raft%5Fregistry/special%5Fnnumbers/<http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifica tes/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/special_nnumbers/>) you will find the following explanation: a.. The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with NC, NX, NR, or NL. On some older aircraft, these numbers may be displayed in accordance with FAR Part 45.22.<http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/CFB 016AA41963A1C86256A6900512337?OpenDocument> The site only allows you to begin with a number which is why I ended my number with X. (Besides which "X-Ray" just sounds cool.) "Experimental 328 X-Ray inbound for low pass over the spaceport . . er, airport." Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ / \ >>> EmchAir@aol.com 3/29/2008 8:23 AM >>> >you know this, but if there are others that don't, remember if you use NX at the front of your number when you paint it on the airplane it takes the place of painting >EXPERIMENTAL on the fuselage near the cockpit. Just a nice little bonus of building an older design.


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    Time: 06:56:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: N number reservation
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    Tom, The X right after the N number is not part of your registration. But a substitute for the 2" lettering " EXPERIMENTAL" near the cockpit area. You register with FAA without the X For example N 15KV But on the fuselage it says NX 15KV Perfectly legal and in compliance with FAR Part 45.22. Regards Hans -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 8:21 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number reservation Don: Using the NX would have been my first choice also. However the FAA seems to have taken that option off the table. If you go to the FAA N Number reservations website (http://www.faa.gov/licenses%5Fcertificates/aircraft%5Fcertification/airc raft%5Fregistry/special%5Fnnumbers/) you will find the following explanation: The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with NC, NX, NR, or NL. On some older aircraft, these numbers may be displayed in accordance with FAR Part 45.22. The site only allows you to begin with a number which is why I ended my number with X. (Besides which "X-Ray"just sounds cool.) "Experimental 328 X-Ray inbound for low pass over the spaceport . . er, airport." Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ / \ >>> EmchAir@aol.com 3/29/2008 8:23 AM >>> >you know this, but if there are others that don't, remember if you use NX at the front of your number when you paint it on the airplane it takes the place of painting >EXPERIMENTAL on the fuselage near the cockpit. Just a nice little bonus of building an older design.


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    Time: 07:09:13 AM PST US
    From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: N number reservation
    The way I understand it is that you get an N number from the FAA but you can add the X after the N when you apply your number to the plane. My N number is N20795 but on the plane it is NX20795 and the X replaces the word "EXPERIMENTAL" My reserved number for the Piet that I'm building is N 88XN but on the plane it will be NX88XN which reads the same frontwards, backwards, and upside down. Roman Bukolt NX20795 On Mar 31, 2008, at 8:21 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > Don: > > Using the NX would have been my first choice also. However the FAA > seems to have taken that option off the table. If you go to the FAA > N Number reservations website (http://www.faa.gov/licenses%5Fcertificates/aircraft%5Fcertification/aircraft%5Fregistry/special%5Fnnumbers/ > ) you will find the following explanation: > The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with NC, NX, NR, or NL. > On some older aircraft, these numbers may be displayed in accordance > with FAR Part 45.22. > > The site only allows you to begin with a number which is why I ended > my number with X. (Besides which "X-Ray" just sounds cool.) > "Experimental 328 X-Ray inbound for low pass over the spaceport . . > er, airport." > > Tom Stinemetze > > > ____ | ____ > \8/ > / \ > > > >>> EmchAir@aol.com 3/29/2008 8:23 AM >>> > >you know this, but if there are others that don't, remember if you > use NX at the front of your number when you paint it on the airplane > it takes the place of painting >EXPERIMENTAL on the fuselage near > the cockpit. Just a nice little bonus of building an older design. > > <TOM STINEMETZE.vcf>


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    Time: 07:23:05 AM PST US
    From: Owen Davies <owen5819@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Homemade Turnbuckles
    Thomas Bernie wrote: > <tsbernie@earthlink.net> > > I use an allen wrench, holding the nut with a custom made spanner (or > a vicegrip if I have clearance). It's not easy and you have to be > careful not to twist the cable, but once it's locked down it's fine. Ahhh! That explains it. Thanks. Owen


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    Time: 07:42:01 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
    Well, on Saturday, I decided to do a little experimenting with using solid wire vs. cables, and building a sample homemade turnbuckle. First, the solid wire experimenting: I made a couple of jigs for bending the solid wire from scrap materials. The design of the jigs was based on information I have gathered over the last week - thanks to many listers (Santiago, Clif, John and others), and was easy to build. Since it was all made from scrap, the cost was nothing. I just happened to have a bit of .080" galvanized fence wire laying around as well. The jig to bend the loop in the end of the wire is pretty straightforward, and worked well. The jig (if you want to call it that) for bending the ferrules was even more straightforward - just a piece of rod, ground down to approximately the right shape and size, and then driven into a block of hardwood. It also worked well. I made up a couple of assemblies to test out the jigs, and as expected, the second and third attempts were much better than the first. I think that after a doing a dozen or so, I would get the technique down to a science (or at least obtain consistant results). Overall I was pretty pleased with the finished product (for an amateur) - looks good, and feels strong. Second, the homemade turnbuckle: My design for the homemade turnbuckle was based on two things. One was a couple of low-resolution photos of the turnbuckles used on the Flitzer biplanes. And the other was common sense (more or less) based on size and load carrying capacity. I made the ends of the turnbuckle from a couple of strips of 16ga steel (1/2" x 5"). Because this strip was small, it was possible to form by hand, and then squeeze in a vise (with the 3/8" rod in place). The threaded and non-threaded inserts for each end were fabricated from a bit of 3/8"diameter stainless steel rod (1/2" long), on which I ground down a flat section for the bolt to mate with. The threaded portion of the turnbuckle is a #10-32 allen bolt (hex socket stainless steel machine screw). Like any hex head bolt, the allen bolt only needs to be rotated 1/6 of a turn (or 60=B0) in order to position the wrench for the next "crank", but the allen bolt does not need any clearance around the head for a wrench, since the wrench fits inside the head. However, this is still a bit tight the way I built my prototype, and needs a bit of refinement - maybe 1/2" rod instead of 3/8". I also need to devise a method to incorporate a safety wire, to prevent the tension from releasing. I put all the parts together and screwed them to a hunk of 2x4, and tightened up the turnbuckle, and it worked! Photos and description have been posted on mykitplane.com: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=18 33 <http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1 833&P laneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air%20Camper> &PlaneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air%20Camper Note that all of this work was done in my basic garage workshop, with no special equipment - just an angle grinder, a hammer, a drill press and a bench vise. Before using either of these products (solid wire bracing and homemade turnbuckles) I would suggest doing some physical testing to determine the actual breaking strength(s) based on the actual materials used. Bill C.


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    Time: 07:49:38 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
    Tom, Nice photo. Your turnbuckles look very sililar to the Flitzer-style fittings. How are they for adjusting? (pain in the butt, or just as annoying as regular turnbuckles). Of course, the adjusting should be a one-time thing, so as long as they work, the extra fiddling (if any) should be inconsequential, in the long run. Will you need to safety wire the assembly, or does the jam-nut do that for you? Thanks for sharing. Bill C.


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    Time: 07:50:31 AM PST US
    Subject: NX
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Plus NX just looks cool on an old airplane. Think of Charles Lindbergh's Spirit of St. Louis----it was an experimental and thus carried the same airframe markings. Tons of the air racing planes carried NX as well so consider yourself in good company----plus who wants to put the big EXPERIEMENTAL bumper sticker anywhere on an airplane if you don't have to ?


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    Time: 07:52:20 AM PST US
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: N number reservation
    Tom, Part 45.22, referenced at the end of that statement, says this: 45.22 (b). A small US registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a US registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if: 1. It displays in accordance with 45.21 marks at least two inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" followed by-- (i) The US registration number of the aircraft; or (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft: "C" standard, "R" restricted, "L" limited, or "X" experimental Hope that helps, Ryan TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote: Don: Using the NX would have been my first choice also. However the FAA seems to have taken that option off the table. If you go to the FAA N Number reservations website (http://www.faa.gov/licenses%5Fcertificates/aircraft%5Fcertification/aircraft%5Fregistry/special%5Fnnumbers/) you will find the following explanation: The FAA no longer issues numbers beginning with NC, NX, NR, or NL. On some older aircraft, these numbers may be displayed in accordance with FAR Part 45.22. The site only allows you to begin with a number which is why I ended my number with X. (Besides which "X-Ray" just sounds cool.) "Experimental 328 X-Ray inbound for low pass over the spaceport . . er, airport." Tom Stinemetze --------------------------------- OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends: Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t


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    Time: 08:10:06 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: NX
    The racing planes often used NR for "Racing", although later on the R became "Restricted" Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX Plus NX just looks cool on an old airplane. Think of Charles Lindbergh's Spirit of St. Louis----it was an experimental and thus carried the same airframe markings. Tons of the air racing planes carried NX as well so consider yourself in good company----plus who wants to put the big EXPERIEMENTAL bumper sticker anywhere on an airplane if you don't have to ?


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    Time: 08:21:34 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: NX
    Thanks to all for the needed information concerning the use of "X" in the N number. I may have to rethink my number after all since November X-Ray 328 X-Ray sounds a little redundant. Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ / \ >>> michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov 3/31/2008 9:30 AM >>> Plus NX just looks cool on an old airplane. Think of Charles Lindbergh's Spirit of St. Louis----it was an experimental and thus carried the same airframe markings. Tons of the air racing planes carried NX as well so consider yourself in good company----plus who wants to put the big EXPERIEMENTAL bumper sticker anywhere on an airplane if you don't have to ? BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:STINEMETZE, TOM TEL;WORK:620-245-2548 ORG:;ZONING & PLANNING EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:TOMS@MCPCITY.COM N:STINEMETZE;TOM TITLE:CITY SANITATION / ZONING ADMIN. END:VCARD


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    Time: 09:16:03 AM PST US
    From: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
    Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
    Looks like a very nice arrangement Bill...Just thinking out loud here...maybe a regular nico press ferrel that could clamp onto the wire instead of the wrapped wire style. This might provide less "give". And Instead of feeding the wire through the drilled holes in the turnbuckle, put a pin or bolt through the turnbuckle and have the wire wrapped around that for less wear tendancies. Del Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote: Well, on Saturday, I decided to do a little experimenting with using solid wire vs. cables, and building a sample homemade turnbuckle. Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends: Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t


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    Time: 09:49:12 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
    Thanks for the input, Del. As I wrote, I will need to do a bit more experimenting with this before putting it in my plane. I plan to do a bit of tension testing of the bent wire + ferrules to see how they hold up, and see if they do "give". I would plan to pre-load them before installing in any case - to ensure that they are "snug". And you are definitely right about not feeding the wire directly through the drilled holes - I would probably use a clevis pin there - the wire acting directly on the raw edge of the turnbuckle would NOT be a good thing. This was my first prototype - made with materials I had on hand. It's not a final design, but I think it's on the right track. Bill C. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of del magsam Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles Looks like a very nice arrangement Bill...Just thinking out loud here...maybe a regular nico press ferrel that could clamp onto the wire instead of the wrapped wire style. This might provide less "give". And Instead of feeding the wire through the drilled holes in the turnbuckle, put a pin or bolt through the turnbuckle and have the wire wrapped around that for less wear tendancies. Del


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    Time: 10:06:49 AM PST US
    Subject: radio calls and NX
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Tom, As others have pointed out, your FAA N-number doesn't recognize the X as part of your registration so when you make radio calls you don't use it, at least I don't since the X is merely a required airframe marking showing that your plane is an experimental, amateur built. My tailfeathers are NX48MC but the FAA Registration only shows N48MC and I call it on my radio as "Experimental (or Pietenpol) Forty-eight Mike-Charlie, entering left downwind at Columbia Station for runway 36" Mike C.


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    Time: 10:51:10 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
    Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
    Speaking of turnbuckles, I got a bunch of hardware store turnbuckles with my plane. They have an aluminum body and steel eye bolts. Are people using that type in their planes? They are kind of scarey looking to me. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:37 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles Well, on Saturday, I decided to do a little experimenting with using solid wire vs. cables, and building a sample homemade turnbuckle. First, the solid wire experimenting: I made a couple of jigs for bending the solid wire from scrap materials. The design of the jigs was based on information I have gathered over the last week - thanks to many listers (Santiago, Clif, John and others), and was easy to build. Since it was all made from scrap, the cost was nothing. I just happened to have a bit of .080" galvanized fence wire laying around as well. The jig to bend the loop in the end of the wire is pretty straightforward, and worked well. The jig (if you want to call it that) for bending the ferrules was even more straightforward - just a piece of rod, ground down to approximately the right shape and size, and then driven into a block of hardwood. It also worked well. I made up a couple of assemblies to test out the jigs, and as expected, the second and third attempts were much better than the first. I think that after a doing a dozen or so, I would get the technique down to a science (or at least obtain consistant results). Overall I was pretty pleased with the finished product (for an amateur) - looks good, and feels strong. Second, the homemade turnbuckle: My design for the homemade turnbuckle was based on two things. One was a couple of low-resolution photos of the turnbuckles used on the Flitzer biplanes. And the other was common sense (more or less) based on size and load carrying capacity. I made the ends of the turnbuckle from a couple of strips of 16ga steel (1/2" x 5"). Because this strip was small, it was possible to form by hand, and then squeeze in a vise (with the 3/8" rod in place). The threaded and non-threaded inserts for each end were fabricated from a bit of 3/8"diameter stainless steel rod (1/2" long), on which I ground down a flat section for the bolt to mate with. The threaded portion of the turnbuckle is a #10-32 allen bolt (hex socket stainless steel machine screw). Like any hex head bolt, the allen bolt only needs to be rotated 1/6 of a turn (or 60) in order to position the wrench for the next "crank", but the allen bolt does not need any clearance around the head for a wrench, since the wrench fits inside the head. However, this is still a bit tight the way I built my prototype, and needs a bit of refinement - maybe 1/2" rod instead of 3/8". I also need to devise a method to incorporate a safety wire, to prevent the tension from releasing. I put all the parts together and screwed them to a hunk of 2x4, and tightened up the turnbuckle, and it worked! Photos and description have been posted on mykitplane.com: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1833& PlaneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air%20Camper Note that all of this work was done in my basic garage workshop, with no special equipment - just an angle grinder, a hammer, a drill press and a bench vise. Before using either of these products (solid wire bracing and homemade turnbuckles) I would suggest doing some physical testing to determine the actual breaking strength(s) based on the actual materials used. Bill C.


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    Time: 11:14:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Homemade Turnbuckles
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    Bill, On your home made turn buckle, why not place a nut in the middle and have it soledered / brazed. Or perhaps even loctite (680) to keep it form rotating. Alternatively two small nuts "jammed" It is then easily adjustable with a "hex" in the middle my 2 cents Hans -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 9:36 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles Well, on Saturday, I decided to do a little experimenting with using solid wire vs. cables, and building a sample homemade turnbuckle. First, the solid wire experimenting: I made a couple of jigs for bending the solid wire from scrap materials. The design of the jigs was based on information I have gathered over the last week - thanks to many listers (Santiago, Clif, John and others), and was easy to build. Since it was all made from scrap, the cost was nothing. I just happened to have a bit of .080" galvanized fence wire laying around as well. The jig to bend the loop in the end of the wire is pretty straightforward, and worked well. The jig (if you want to call it that) for bending the ferrules was even more straightforward - just a piece of rod, ground down to approximately the right shape and size, and then driven into a block of hardwood. It also worked well. I made up a couple of assemblies to test out the jigs, and as expected, the second and third attempts were much better than the first. I think that after a doing a dozen or so, I would get the technique down to a science (or at least obtain consistant results). OverallI was pretty pleased with the finished product (for an amateur) - looks good, and feels strong. Second, the homemade turnbuckle: My design for the homemade turnbuckle was based on two things. One was a couple of low-resolution photos of the turnbuckles used on the Flitzer biplanes. And the other was common sense (more or less) based on size and load carrying capacity. I made the ends of the turnbuckle from a couple of strips of 16ga steel (1/2" x 5"). Because this strip was small, it was possible to form by hand, and then squeeze in a vise (with the 3/8" rod in place). The threaded and non-threaded inserts for each end were fabricated from a bit of 3/8"diameter stainless steel rod (1/2" long), on which I ground down a flat section for the bolt to mate with. The threaded portion of the turnbuckle is a #10-32 allen bolt (hex socket stainless steel machine screw). Like any hex head bolt, the allen bolt only needs to be rotated 1/6 of a turn (or 60)in order to position the wrench for the next "crank", but the allen bolt does not need any clearance around the head for a wrench, since the wrench fits inside the head. However, this is still a bit tight the way I built my prototype, and needs a bit of refinement - maybe 1/2" rod instead of 3/8". I also need to devise a method to incorporate a safety wire, to prevent the tension from releasing. I put all the parts together and screwed them to a hunk of 2x4, and tightened up the turnbuckle, and it worked! Photos and description have been posted on mykitplane.com: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1833&PlaneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air%20Camper Note that all of this work was done in my basic garage workshop, with no special equipment - just an angle grinder, a hammer, a drill press and a bench vise. Before using either of these products (solid wire bracing and homemade turnbuckles) Iwould suggest doing some physical testing to determine the actual breaking strength(s) based on the actual materials used. Bill C.


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    Time: 12:31:58 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Subject: Homemade Turnbuckles
    Now, there's a good idea. Good thinking, Hans. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles Bill, On your home made turn buckle, why not place a nut in the middle and have it soledered / brazed. Or perhaps even loctite (680) to keep it form rotating. Alternatively two small nuts "jammed" It is then easily adjustable with a "hex" in the middle my 2 cents Hans


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    Time: 12:47:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Take off roll
    From: outofthebox50@YAHOO.COM
    The spec for take off roll says 150ft. I got the impression last week from some of the guys that it was much longer than that. I watched some videos on youtube and it seemed much longer than 150 ft. Have any of you guys with a flying Piet ever tried to figure out your take off roll flying solo? I was wondering what a more realistic number might be. Thanks, Jeremy DFW, TX Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


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    Time: 01:07:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Take off roll
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
    I can usually get off the ground in about 400 feet. 150 feet might be possible with a 30 knot wind down the runway. Getting off the ground is not a problem with a Pietenpol. The problem comes when trying to climb over 120 foot trees at the end of the runway (nobody ever told the trees in North Carolina that they are only supposed to be 50 feet tall). On a hot day, my rate of climb with a passenger is about 150 fpm. Assuming that it is moving forward at 50 mph (73 feet per second), and assuming I get off the ground after a 400 foot roll, that means I've got a little under 1 minute to climb high enough to get over the trees at the end of the runway. To be generous, let's say the trees are only 100 feet tall, so now I've got 40 seconds of flying time to get over the trees. In that 40 seconds I will travel 40 x 73 or 2,920 feet. Problem is, the runway is only 2500 feet long and I've already used 400 feet of it before getting off the ground. Solving the problem another way, if I take 400 feet to get off the ground and then travel at 73 feet per second while climbing at 150 fpm for the remaining 2100 feet of runway, I will be 71.92 feet high at the end of the runway, or will impact the trees 28 feet below the treetop. Hence my decision to not carry passengers out of my home field in the Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of outofthebox50@YAHOO.COM Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Take off roll The spec for take off roll says 150ft. I got the impression last week from some of the guys that it was much longer than that. I watched some videos on youtube and it seemed much longer than 150 ft. Have any of you guys with a flying Piet ever tried to figure out your take off roll flying solo? I was wondering what a more realistic number might be. Thanks, Jeremy DFW, TX Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 02:45:18 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: "moth" wing tank
    Hello, For a long time, I've been thinking of "bumping" up the top of my wing tank because I'd like to get an extra hour of fuel, so I'm looking for around four, maybe five more gallons. It's really the only option I have since I'm using a Ford and can't get the carb low enough for a nose tank. I'm thinking that if it wouldn't be too noticible on the ground since it seems as if it only needs to come up a couple of inches. I just can't figure the math though, if I generally follow the top contour of the wing, and go almost to each side with the "bump" can anyone estimate how high the highest spot would need to go to get about five more gallons? My best guess is about 2.5 inches. Also, it seems like it would make fueling easier if the cap was to one side, but then I thought it might want to slosh out more in a bank than if it was centered. Any thoughts or experience on this too? Douwe


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    Time: 03:37:46 PM PST US
    From: Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>
    Subject: "moth" wing tank
    A US gallon is 231 cubic inches. If you know the profile you want, and can find the area of the airfoil-like shape and find your volume. With tools l ike google sketchup you could have the exact tankage in a matter of minutes ....! Steve E. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "moth" wing tank Hello, For a long time, I've been thinking of "bumping" up the top of my wing tank because I'd like to get an extra hour of fuel, so I'm looking for around f our, maybe five more gallons. It's really the only option I have since I'm using a Ford and can't get the carb low enough for a nose tank. I'm thinking that if it wouldn't be too noticible on the ground since it se ems as if it only needs to come up a couple of inches. I just can't figure the math though, if I generally follow the top contour of the wing, and go almost to each side with the "bump" can anyone estimate how high the highest spot would need to go to get about five more gallons? My best guess is about 2.5 inches. Also, it seems like it would make fueling easier if the cap was to one side , but then I thought it might want to slosh out more in a bank than if it w as centered. Any thoughts or experience on this too? Douwe


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    Time: 04:55:11 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: covering wing roots made inexpensive
    An easy place to get a piece of aluminum long enough to make it wrap from front to back is a piece of facia metal at your local home depot or lowes. Just cut off the 90 degree part and you have a 12 ft piece of 2 beaded aluminum. Then to keep from using more than about 6 screws per side ( bottom only)... use a 2-3inch machine screw and a nut plate ,....... look at an old piper i think they use this style. I'll try to get a pic on here, its hard to explain in words. Shad --------------------------------- No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends.


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    Time: 05:46:15 PM PST US
    From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: "moth" wing tank
    I'm thinking the same thing, maybe do it with a Riblett shape for extra (.001 lb, lol) lift. Ryan Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote: Hello, For a long time, I've been thinking of "bumping" up the top of my wing tank because I'd like to get an extra hour of fuel, so I'm looking for around four, maybe five more gallons. It's really the only option I have since I'm using a Ford and can't get the carb low enough for a nose tank. I'm thinking that if it wouldn't be too noticible on the ground since it seems as if it only needs to come up a couple of inches. I just can't figure the math though, if I generally follow the top contour of the wing, and go almost to each side with the "bump" can anyone estimate how high the highest spot would need to go to get about five more gallons? My best guess is about 2.5 inches. Also, it seems like it would make fueling easier if the cap was to one side, but then I thought it might want to slosh out more in a bank than if it was centered. Any thoughts or experience on this too? Douwe --------------------------------- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now


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    Time: 06:07:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Take off roll
    From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com
    Jack, what motor are you using, and do you have any idea of your rate of climb flying solo? Now let me see if I have the formula right? My runway is 600 ft. 400 ft to get off and another 200 ft to clear the 5 ft fence at the end. At the 600 ft mark, I should be at 6.8 ft agl, but does that 150 fpm acount for the downward thrust from the human pucker factor, or since the opening of the cockpit is on top, does the vacume in the seat actually draw air in from above and create added lift? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com> To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Take off roll I can usually get off the ground in about 400 feet. 150 feet might be possible with a 30 knot wind down the runway. Getting off the ground is not a problem with a Pietenpol. The problem comes when trying to climb over 120 foot trees at the end of the runway (nobody ever told the trees in North Carolina that they are only supposed to be 50 feet tall). On a hot day, my rate of climb with a passenger is about 150 fpm. Assuming that it is moving forward at 50 mph (73 feet per second), and assuming I get off the ground after a 400 foot roll, that means I've got a little under 1 minute to climb high enough to get over the trees at the end of the runway. To be generous, let's say the trees are only 100 feet tall, so now I've got 40 seconds of flying time to get over the trees. In that 40 seconds I will travel 40 x 73 or 2,920 feet. Problem is, the runway is only 2500 feet long and I've already used 400 feet of it before getting off the ground. Solving the problem another way, if I take 400 feet to get off the ground and then travel at 73 feet per second while climbing at 150 fpm for the remaining 2100 feet of runway, I will be 71.92 feet high at the end of the runway, or will impact the trees 28 feet below the treetop. Hence my decision to not carry passengers out of my home field in the Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of outofthebox50@YAHOO.COM Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Take off roll The spec for take off roll says 150ft. I got the impression last week from some of the guys that it was much longer than that. I watched some videos on youtube and it seemed much longer than 150 ft. Have any of you guys with a flying Piet ever tried to figure out your take off roll flying solo? I was wondering what a more realistic number might be. Thanks, Jeremy DFW, TX Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 06:40:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: "moth" wing tank
    From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
    Not sure about a moth tank, but have been thinking about doing something else different. My leading edge of my center section is mostly polished aluminum now, and the top of the center section looks good in wood. Have no doubt the aluminum is fine without covering, but anyone flying a piet that doesn't have the center section covered with fabric? It has so many screws it seems like it would be well attached, and I would like to be able to remove the tank without recovering the center section. Concerns are .. is the fairly thin plywood strong enough without the fabric covering, and what would have decent UV protection, as the varnish on it is probably not enough to cut it. Any thoughts? My tank is only 5.5 gallons, the main tank is about 15, which is more than I will want to use without taking a break anyway. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174033#174033


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    Time: 06:48:40 PM PST US
    From: "T White" <aa5flyer@gmail.com>
    Subject: F-22
    A Pietenpol's big brother. This F-22 was just restored at our airpark in Florida and is awaiting FAA approval. 20+ years in restoration. You can eat off this airplane.


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    Time: 07:33:42 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Take off roll
    Using an A-65, operating at about 1000 lbs, from a 900' msl grass field, with a 72 X 42 prop in light winds the take-off roll is about 350 - 450 feet. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: <outofthebox50@YAHOO.COM> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Take off roll > > The spec for take off roll says 150ft. I got the impression last week > from some of the guys that it was much longer than that. I watched some > videos on youtube and it seemed much longer than 150 ft. Have any of you > guys with a flying Piet ever tried to figure out your take off roll flying > solo? I was wondering what a more realistic number might be. > > Thanks, Jeremy > DFW, TX > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > >


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    Time: 08:30:49 PM PST US
    From: BScott116@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Homemade Turnbuckles
    Why not use drilled AN nut for safety wire? In a message dated 3/31/2008 2:33:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eng@canadianrogers.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> Now, there's a good idea. Good thinking, Hans. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Homemade Turnbuckles Bill, On your home made turn buckle, why not place a nut in the middle and have it soledered / brazed. Or perhaps even loctite (680) to keep it form rotating. Alternatively two small nuts "jammed" It is then easily adjustable with a "hex" in the middle my 2 cents Hans **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)


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    Time: 10:50:22 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Hardwire & Turnbuckles
    These are Tiger Moth ones used on John Howroyd's Piet in Victoria, BC, Canada. There's holes in the " nut " to stick a rod in and turn. You can just barely see it above the formed sheet metal bracket. This plane is the oldest continuously registered aircraft in Canada. John's Dad built it in 1932 and John rebuilt it a number of years ago. Clif


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    Time: 11:22:42 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: "moth" wing tank
    Lokk at the rear cabane and you'll see that the cross member joining them is a tube, not any kind of "spar". The same is joining the front cabanes. It's under that cover plate. The tank is one unit with an indentation for the tube. Look closely and you'll see the little U tube allowing drainage from the front part int the main. As for taking a break, my thinking is that I will be going to places out here in the wild west where there won't be the fuel I want. Having enough to get back will sometimes be important. Clif Beryl Markham flew her Moth from Africa to England. Maybe I could visit my ancestral home. :-) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "moth" wing tank > > Not sure about a moth tank, > My tank is only 5.5 gallons, the main tank > is about 15, which is more than I will want to use without taking a break > anyway. > > Jim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174033#174033 > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 6:21 PM > >




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