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1. 05:32 AM - Ford hub (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 05:48 AM - Re: Dodging church steeples in Indiana (BScott116@aol.com)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Ford hub- bolt safetying ideas (HelsperSew@aol.com)
4. 06:46 AM - Home Made Air Speed Indicator (John Egan)
5. 07:02 AM - Re: Home Made Air Speed Indicator (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 08:16 AM - Re: Home Made Air Speed Indicator (Bill Church)
7. 08:29 AM - Re: Home Made Air Speed Indicator (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
8. 09:31 AM - alternative airfoils (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 10:02 AM - Re: alternative airfoils (Owen Davies)
10. 10:38 AM - Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils database? (Owen Davies)
11. 12:45 PM - Altimeter on Ebay (HelsperSew@aol.com)
12. 01:19 PM - Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils database? (Bill Church)
13. 01:51 PM - N-number (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
14. 02:32 PM - Rib builder's best friend (Don Emch)
15. 03:05 PM - Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils database? (Owen Davies)
16. 04:30 PM - Re: Rib builder's best friend (Rick Holland)
17. 05:38 PM - Re: alternative airfoils (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
18. 06:55 PM - Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils datab (bhassel)
19. 06:55 PM - Re: alternative airfoils (Owen Davies)
20. 07:00 PM - Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils databa (bhassel)
21. 09:42 PM - Re: Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils databa (Ric Ryburn)
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Hey Dan,
I've been stewing over the same thing with my ford hub.
While there is not much room behind the hub, if there's enough to run
about half and inch of the bolt through the back and then drill that end
and run some safety wire around the backside of the hub.
Something to bear in mind Dan. Before I went with the Ford, I
interviewed everybody I could track down who had ever actually flown
behind one. This amounted to about ten or twelve guys. In all these
interviews, and all my reading, I've never heard of the four bolt hub
coming off. A prop was completely lost from a Ford, but he was just
bolting the prop to the four bolt hub directly, plus the FAA report
stated that two of the bolts were found to be rusty where they had
broken, leading to the conclusion that this plane had been flying around
on two bolts for a while before the other two gave up the ghost.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Dodging church steeples in Indiana |
You can fuel inject a B ford for 100 HP. Lowell frank has one on his piet
now.
In a message dated 4/1/2008 8:29:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
RAMPEYBOY@aol.com writes:
So then your increase in power has to more than offset the increase in
weight associated with the power change. Hmmmm. Maybe a hopped up A-65? So
what can be done to make the A-65 have more power? Carb jetting, more
compression, timing, tuned exhaust? How much does increasing compression affect
hand
propping difficulty? Just sorta thinking out loud guys. BTW, if anyone is near
Camden SC there's a guy advertising two Continental A-65's in the Carolina
Trader for $500.00. One is disassembled, the other is together.
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: Ford hub- bolt safetying ideas |
Douwe,
Thanks for this suggestion. I am going to look at this situation from the
very beginning again, and see the feasibility of your idea. I may be able to do
a little grinding on the case to give just enough clearance to stick the
bolts out the back to snake the safety wire in there. - we shall see. Anything
like that would give more peace of mind.
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| Subject: | Home Made Air Speed Indicator |
Hello Group,
I've attached some photos of a home made Vane Type Air Speed Indicator I made.
The recent energy surrounding Bill's home made turnbuckles and hard wire brace
wires motivated me to attempt to make an air speed indicator. You may recognize
the design as I referanced an old Sport Aviation Article "Craftsman Corner"
by Chuck Larsen.
Although, not quite complete I'll share these photos hoping to create motivation
to others. I need to add a couple of rivets, paint, and make some kind of sticker
to indicate speed.
Material: 0.078" diameter spring wire, 0.020" thick 6061 aluminum sheet, two little
bolts, two little pop rivets (in place of the duct tape).
I found that the spring wire I used required only one wrap to make a torsion spring
with reasonable deflection. I made a couple of different size vanes to get
the required deflection for "Pietenpol speed". The whole assembly took about
two hours to build using simple tools (tin snips, hobby style 18" bench top
break, vise, drill, straight edge, belt sander, dremel tool and the like...).
I built it to the size and shape that looked appropriate for the job so I measured
nothing.
My intention is to hang this on the wing jury strut when I complete my Piet project
as a decorative air speed indicator, while the pitot tube airspeed indicator
is on the panel. This is a fun little project.
John E
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| Subject: | Re: Home Made Air Speed Indicator |
For those of us that would like to try our hand, do you have dimensions and
detail drawing information from which to work?
John
In a message dated 4/2/2008 9:47:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
johnegan99@yahoo.com writes:
Hello Group,
I've attached some photos of a home made Vane Type Air Speed Indicator I
made. The recent energy surrounding Bill's home made turnbuckles and hard wire
brace wires motivated me to attempt to make an air speed indicator. You may
recognize the design as I referanced an old Sport Aviation Article "Craftsman
Corner" by Chuck Larsen.
Although, not quite complete I'll share these photos hoping to create
motivation to others. I need to add a couple of rivets, paint, and make some
kind
of sticker to indicate speed.
Material: 0.078" diameter spring wire, 0.020" thick 6061 aluminum sheet,
two little bolts, two little pop rivets (in place of the duct tape).
I found that the spring wire I used required only one wrap to make a torsion
spring with reasonable deflection. I made a couple of different size vanes
to get the required deflection for "Pietenpol speed". The whole assembly
took about two hours to build using simple tools (tin snips, hobby style 18"
bench top break, vise, drill, straight edge, belt sander, dremel tool and the
like...). I built it to the size and shape that looked appropriate for the job
so I measured nothing.
My intention is to hang this on the wing jury strut when I complete my Piet
project as a decorative air speed indicator, while the pitot tube airspeed
indicator is on the panel. This is a fun little project.
John E
Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Home Made Air Speed Indicator |
John (E),
Nice little project. Let's see what activity your recent work will generate.
I assume that's vintage duct tape you used there to hold things together.
Is the entire unit made of .020" aluminum? Seems a bit thin. But if it
works, it works. My main area of concern would be the top flange, where the
spring is mounted - it may flex a bit, which would possibly throw things off
a bit.
Thanks for sharing.
John (R),
There were at least a couple of very helpful postings regarding these
vane-type Air Speed Indicators in the last year:
Here's a posting from last September:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=31759
And here's a posting from last April (the "Craftsman's Corner" article
referenced by John):
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=26014
These posts should give anyone enough info to make up their own vintage ASI.
Bill C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Home Made Air Speed Indicator
Hello Group,
I've attached some photos of a home made Vane Type Air Speed Indicator I
made. The recent energy surrounding Bill's home made turnbuckles and hard
wire brace wires motivated me to attempt to make an air speed indicator.
You may recognize the design as I referanced an old Sport Aviation Article
"Craftsman Corner" by Chuck Larsen.
Although, not quite complete I'll share these photos hoping to create
motivation to others. I need to add a couple of rivets, paint, and make
some kind of sticker to indicate speed.
Material: 0.078" diameter spring wire, 0.020" thick 6061 aluminum sheet,
two little bolts, two little pop rivets (in place of the duct tape).
I found that the spring wire I used required only one wrap to make a torsion
spring with reasonable deflection. I made a couple of different size vanes
to get the required deflection for "Pietenpol speed". The whole assembly
took about two hours to build using simple tools (tin snips, hobby style 18"
bench top break, vise, drill, straight edge, belt sander, dremel tool and
the like...). I built it to the size and shape that looked appropriate for
the job so I measured nothing.
My intention is to hang this on the wing jury strut when I complete my Piet
project as a decorative air speed indicator, while the pitot tube airspeed
indicator is on the panel. This is a fun little project.
John E
Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Home Made Air Speed Indicator |
Thanks
John
In a message dated 4/2/2008 11:17:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
eng@canadianrogers.com writes:
John (E),
Nice little project. Let's see what activity your recent work will generate.
I assume that's vintage duct tape you used there to hold things together.
Is the entire unit made of .020" aluminum? Seems a bit thin. But if it
works, it works. My main area of concern would be the top flange, where the spring
is mounted - it may flex a bit, which would possibly throw things off a bit.
Thanks for sharing.
John (R),
There were at least a couple of very helpful postings regarding these
vane-type Air Speed Indicators in the last year:
Here's a posting from last September:
_http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=31759_
(http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=31759)
And here's a posting from last April (the "Craftsman's Corner" article
referenced by John):
_http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=26014_
(http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=26014)
These posts should give anyone enough info to make up their own vintage ASI.
Bill C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Home Made Air Speed Indicator
Hello Group,
I've attached some photos of a home made Vane Type Air Speed Indicator I
made. The recent energy surrounding Bill's home made turnbuckles and hard wire
brace wires motivated me to attempt to make an air speed indicator. You may
recognize the design as I referanced an old Sport Aviation Article "Craftsman
Corner" by Chuck Larsen.
Although, not quite complete I'll share these photos hoping to create
motivation to others. I need to add a couple of rivets, paint, and make some
kind
of sticker to indicate speed.
Material: 0.078" diameter spring wire, 0.020" thick 6061 aluminum sheet,
two little bolts, two little pop rivets (in place of the duct tape).
I found that the spring wire I used required only one wrap to make a torsion
spring with reasonable deflection. I made a couple of different size vanes
to get the required deflection for "Pietenpol speed". The whole assembly
took about two hours to build using simple tools (tin snips, hobby style 18"
bench top break, vise, drill, straight edge, belt sander, dremel tool and the
like...). I built it to the size and shape that looked appropriate for the job
so I measured nothing.
My intention is to hang this on the wing jury strut when I complete my Piet
project as a decorative air speed indicator, while the pitot tube airspeed
indicator is on the panel. This is a fun little project.
John E
Wisconsin
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| Subject: | alternative airfoils |
While I don't have the coordinates for the Riblett GA airfoil that Rob and others
mention, there was an analysis done by Mike Shuck comparing that airfoil with
the NACA 4415 and they are remarkably similar in turbulent flow regimes as
well as profiles. The NACA 4415 coordinates are readily obtainable.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: alternative airfoils |
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> While I don't have the coordinates for the Riblett GA airfoil that Rob and others
mention, there was an analysis done by Mike Shuck comparing that airfoil
with the NACA 4415 and they are remarkably similar in turbulent flow regimes as
well as profiles. ...
Worth knowing! Many thanks.
I really do need to learn more about airfoils.
Owen
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| Subject: | Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils |
database?
When I try to go there, all that comes up is a blank screen and the
notation at the top, "coord_database.html (GIF Image, 1x1 pixels) -
Mozilla Firefox." In fact, this is what happens when I click on most
links from http://www.ae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads.html. Using Firefox
2.0.0.13 under XP Pro, but the same thing happens with Internet
Explorer. My best guess was that Kaspersky was filtering it all in order
to shut out malware, but pausing the firewall, antivirus, privacy, etc.,
components had no effect. If someone else is having the problem, I will
assume it is the website's problem. Otherwise, I had better dig deeper.
Thanks.
Owen
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| Subject: | Altimeter on Ebay |
OK fellas,
Here ya go- a nice vintage non-sensitive altimeter, Ebay # 270223509272.
Only one day left.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils |
database?
Owen,
I can't say that I understood half of what you wrote, but when I clicked
http://www.ae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads.html I was forwarded to a website titled
"UIUC Airfoil Data Site". Any links I clicked on that page seemed to work
(including a link called "Airfoil Coordinates Database". I'm using Internet
Explorer under XP Pro.
On the other hand, maybe you're right about Kaspersky. who's Kaspersky? (you
don't need to answer that).
Start digging.
BC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Owen Davies
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC
airfoils database?
When I try to go there, all that comes up is a blank screen and the notation
at the top, "coord_database.html (GIF Image, 1x1 pixels) - Mozilla Firefox."
In fact, this is what happens when I click on most links from
http://www.ae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads.html. Using Firefox
2.0.0.13 under XP Pro, but the same thing happens with Internet Explorer. My
best guess was that Kaspersky was filtering it all in order to shut out
malware, but pausing the firewall, antivirus, privacy, etc., components had
no effect. If someone else is having the problem, I will assume it is the
website's problem. Otherwise, I had better dig deeper.
Thanks.
Owen
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Fellow Pieter's........
Yes....I have reserved my N-number on line today. My pietenpol is officially
given its birth certificate (forth coming) from the FAA. It shall be known as
NX63KH.
As my father would say when I was a kid...put that in your pipe and smoke it!
As for all you fat-body Pietenpols....Logo ideas are still in the process.....
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return,
to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!"
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| Subject: | Rib builder's best friend |
A friend of mine recently discovered this cool little tool. Anybody that is spending
time getting really sore fingers from pushing and holding the tiny little
nails for gussets really needs to buy one of these! I got one and the thing
is fantastic. I wish I would have had this when I built my Piet because the
tiny nails were one of my biggest gripes. I'm messing around with Aeronca wings
now and am really looking forward to building ribs just because of this tool.
It works really slick. Just hold it in the palm of your and and pull back
on the shaft to expose the magnet and touch the head of the nail then release
the shaft and it pulls the nail up inside all "loaded" and ready for you to
just push it in place for nailing. Once you get the hang of it, it is fantastic!!
http://www.cherrytreetoys.com/prodinfo.asp?number=19-195&aitem=9&mitem=112&dept=284
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils |
database?
Bill Church wrote:
>
> ...when I clicked _http://www.ae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads.html_ I was
> forwarded to a website titled "UIUC Airfoil Data Site". Any links I
> clicked on that page seemed to work (including a link called "Airfoil
> Coordinates Database"....
>
> On the other hand, maybe you're right about Kaspersky who's Kaspersky?
>
Thanks, Bill. Kaspersky is my firewall/antivirus/privacy package.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Rib builder's best friend |
I just used 1/4" staples, simple.
Rick
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
>
> A friend of mine recently discovered this cool little tool. Anybody that
> is spending time getting really sore fingers from pushing and holding the
> tiny little nails for gussets really needs to buy one of these! I got one
> and the thing is fantastic. I wish I would have had this when I built my
> Piet because the tiny nails were one of my biggest gripes. I'm messing
> around with Aeronca wings now and am really looking forward to building ribs
> just because of this tool. It works really slick. Just hold it in the palm
> of your and and pull back on the shaft to expose the magnet and touch the
> head of the nail then release the shaft and it pulls the nail up inside all
> "loaded" and ready for you to just push it in place for nailing. Once you
> get the hang of it, it is fantastic!!
>
>
> http://www.cherrytreetoys.com/prodinfo.asp?number=19-195&aitem=9&mitem=112&dept=284
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174403#174403
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: alternative airfoils |
Owen,
I posted a spreadsheet on this list a couple of months ago giving the
co-ordinates of the Riblett GA and Peitenpol sections.
If you can't find it, I can send it to you.
JohnW
---- Original Message ----
From: owen5819@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: alternative airfoils
><owen5819@comcast.net>
>
>Oscar Zuniga wrote:
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> While I don't have the coordinates for the Riblett GA airfoil that
>Rob and others mention, there was an analysis done by Mike Shuck
>comparing that airfoil with the NACA 4415 and they are remarkably
>similar in turbulent flow regimes as well as profiles. ...
>Worth knowing! Many thanks.
>
>I really do need to learn more about airfoils.
>
>Owen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils |
datab
I get the first page of the web site but nothing on the database.
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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| Subject: | Re: alternative airfoils |
johnwoods@westnet.com.au wrote:
> I posted a spreadsheet on this list a couple of months ago giving the
> co-ordinates of the Riblett GA and Peitenpol sections.
> If you can't find it, I can send it to you.
Found it. Many thanks.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils |
databa
I'm guessing the site is in a state of flux. The link that you referenced gives
me a UofI Champaign-Urbana Aerospace engineer web page with the message that
the page I was looking for was not found (404).
Everything I try ends with out a positive result.
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils |
databa
For me, at this point, everything seems to work fine.
Ric
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