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1. 12:12 AM - Is this a Pietenpol? (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
2. 04:06 AM - Re: Brad driver/small nail holder (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 04:07 AM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol? (Jeff Boatright)
4. 05:33 AM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol? (Michael Silvius)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils databa (bhassel)
6. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils databa (Owen Davies)
7. 07:48 AM - Is this a Pietenpol? (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 11:51 AM - Gallon Milk Jugs (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 12:10 PM - Riblett coordinates (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 12:25 PM - Re: Riblett coordinates (Bill Church)
11. 02:14 PM - May 24 - Old Kingsbury Spring Fly-in (AirFair 2008) (hvandervoo@aol.com)
12. 05:05 PM - Newbie question (Milt Atkinson)
13. 05:24 PM - Re: Newbie question (Gary Boothe)
14. 06:56 PM - Re: Newbie question (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=)
15. 07:26 PM - Re: Brad driver/small nail holder (Clif Dawson)
16. 08:11 PM - Brad driver/small nail holder (Oscar Zuniga)
17. 10:11 PM - Old Growth Douglas Fir (Marc Davis)
18. 11:06 PM - Fw: Brad driver/small nail holder (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Is this a Pietenpol? |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
The tail looks right but the fuselage is wider (side-by-side) and the wings
seem a bit stubby. What is the consensus?
RS
Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
Anchorage, Alaska
907-230-9425
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| Subject: | Re: Brad driver/small nail holder |
Don,
I found a perfect solution for holding those pesky small nails. I used a
wire stripper pliers, the ones with serrations on the nose end. The little nails
fit into those serrations perfectly and the nail is held 90 degrees to the
pliers so you can place it easily and drive it home with a small hammer.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
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| Subject: | Re: Is this a Pietenpol? |
There's also no flying wires...
At 11:09 PM -0800 4/2/08, Rob Stapleton, Jr. wrote:
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
>
>The tail looks right but the fuselage is wider (side-by-side) and
>the wings seem a bit stubby. What is the consensus?
>RS
>
>
>Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
>Anchorage, Alaska
>907-230-9425
>KL2AN
>Skype:rob.stapleton.jr
>IM Windows Live Messenger: foto@alaska.net
>
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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| Subject: | Re: Is this a Pietenpol? |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol?This plane was advertised for
sale locally here in Maine. The fellow is looking for about 7000$ and as
far as I know it is till available. I went to look at it a couple of
years ago and it is a curious thing. I believe it is a side by side
Scout if not a short fuse Piet that has been widened to allow a bench
seat. The bench seat is not all that wide perhaps 30 inches and a tight
fit for two if you are not the smallest of bodies. At the bottom of the
instrument panel there is a strange structural tray/shelf about 6 inches
deep runs right across from one side to the other. The cabanes are odd
in that it appears they built the thing without a center section and
just tipped the cabanes inwards to a central cluster that the wing roots
connect to. As you can see by the video it is a close coupled twitchy
thing more like a Baby Ace. If I recall correctly it is powered by a 65
hp Continental.
Michael in Maine
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From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol?
There's also no flying wires...
At 11:09 PM -0800 4/2/08, Rob Stapleton, Jr. wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
The tail looks right but the fuselage is wider (side-by-side) and
the wings seem a bit stubby. What is the consensus?
RS
Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist
Anchorage, Alaska
907-230-9425
KL2AN
Skype:rob.stapleton.jr
IM Windows Live Messenger: foto@alaska.net
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC airfoils |
databa
hmm...I tried this morning on a Linux system running Firefox 1.5.x and was able to see the database page (http://www.ae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads/coord_database.html).
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174573#174573
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone else having problems with the UIUC |
airfoils databa
bhassel wrote:
> hmm...I tried this morning on a Linux system running Firefox 1.5.x and was able to see the database page (http://www.ae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads/coord_database.html).
Thanks, everyone. Looks like it must be a problem with my system, though
one or two others have similar problems as well. I will keep trying to
figure out what's wrong.
Owen
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| Subject: | Is this a Pietenpol? |
The way to tell for sure is to turn it over on its back and see if it has the right
"parts" ;o)
The gent in the video calls it a Pietenpol so I guess it is. There is no holy
line that defines when a modified Pietenpol is no longer a Pietenpol. However,
here's something I wrote to Doc Mosher after I got my last issue of the BPA
Newsletter:
I'll tell you right from the start that the pictures and story about N3087W in
the current newsletter are what triggered this email to you. N3087W is in the
FAA Registry as a Grega GN-1 but it is called a "GN-1 Pietenpol" in the photo
caption on the front page of the newsletter.
I am a newbie in the Piet world, having only come to an interest and knowledge
of the airplane a few years ago. Early into my learning about this wonderful airplane,
I discerned the undercurrent regarding "false" Pietenpols... the GN-1
especially, but other "copies" (the St. Croix?) being frowned upon tremendously
by some people in the camp.
I educated myself about the GN-1, acquired a set of plans for it, and went through
them intently. After that, I recognized the differences between the Pietenpol
"Air Camper" and the Grega GN-1 "Aircamper". They are both wonderful, worthy,
and handsome airplanes. Each has its distinctives but from more than a few
feet away, those differences are indiscernible except to the extremely picky
eye. I am NOT one who believes there is no legitimate place in the Pietenpol world
for GN-1s or other variants of the Pietenpol. Not at all. I am, however,
somewhat keen on educating people on the very distinctives that make these designs
different, in the same way that every airplane nut loves to correctly identify
airplanes at airports, in hangars, on the ramp, in magazines, flying overhead,
or anywhere else that they occur.
Mr. Grega was a clever man who made some very useful refinements and changes to
Mr. Pietenpol's design to produce what he believed to be an improved design.
He called his new airplane the Grega GN-1 and I believe we do a disservice to
Mr. Grega by calling his airplane a Pietenpol, just as we do Mr. Nesmith a disservice
by calling his Cougar a Tailwind or Mr. Puffer's Cozy a Vari-EZE.
I won't harp on this and I harbor no ill will towards GN-1s or any other variant
of the Pietenpol. I think the Grega drawings are a darn sight better than the
Piet drawings (I'm an engineer and I learned to draft back in the T-square and
triangle days, with pencils). I think Mr. Grega's insight into the Pietenpol
design, and his admiration of it, led to some very useful and clever improvements.
Just PLEASE don't call 87W a "GN-1 Pietenpol", OK? ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Gallon Milk Jugs |
Pieters,
Seems there are others collecting empty gallon milk jugs but not for the
purpose of permanently floating a Piet in the Gulf. The ATF is vigilant when
they find someone collecting milk jugs, then they investigate to see if they
have bought sugar in any large quantities.
Nathaniel
DO NOT ARCHIVE
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
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| Subject: | Riblett coordinates |
I searched the archives and found a post that apparently had the Riblett
airfoil coordinates attached as a spreadsheet. However, the archive
message did not have any way to retrieve attachments that I could find.
Is there a way to look at attachments in the archive?
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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| Subject: | Riblett coordinates |
Tom,
There is another format to view list postings, and attachments are viewable
there. Go to the Pietenpol List Forum. Here's a link:
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7
This is also handy for anyone out there that just receives the digest
version of the list, since attachments are always stripped from the digest.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | May 24 - Old Kingsbury Spring Fly-in (AirFair 2008) |
How about an Texas based Pietenpol gathering.
May 24 - Old Kingsbury Spring Fly-in (AirFair 2008)
http://www.vintageaviation.org/aerodrome/index.html
Hans
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I have just gotten into the Air Camper bit . I have not yet purchased the
plans . that will be next week or so.
Where does everyone get their wood? Is Aircraft Spruce a good source? Is the
"kit" Aircraft Spruce offers for about $1000 worth it? Does anyone have a
list of materials?
Thanks
Milt Atkinson
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Milt,
As I may be one of the newer members to the Piet group, and asked similar
questions, the answer is "No," everyone is not getting wood from AS&S. I am
building out of Poplar, and I just looked at a Piet last night that is built
out of Doug Fir. There are several other possibilities, including Hemlock,
and the main thing is that you educate yourself on suitable woods and grain
patterns..then go shopping. I have found good Poplar at Lowe's, of all
places! but I had to look at A LOT of boards.
You will find lots of comments on alternate wood in the archives.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Working on Tail Group (4 ribs down)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milt
Atkinson
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question
I have just gotten into the Air Camper bit . I have not yet purchased the
plans . that will be next week or so.
Where does everyone get their wood? Is Aircraft Spruce a good source? Is the
"kit" Aircraft Spruce offers for about $1000 worth it? Does anyone have a
list of materials?
Thanks
Milt Atkinson
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie question |
Milt
I have no Idea concerning the value of the AS kit so I am un able to comment on
that. My own exprience is that I decided to build in poplar for a number of reasons
cost being only one of those reasons. My initial purchase of 4 poplar planks
has lasted me through the Fuse construction at under 100.00 and have not
found the need to purchase more. The plywood I bought from AS is another story
at around 500.00
Types of wood you select and where you buy is a major variable and mostly an issue
of preference
For me its poplar from the hard wood lumber yard, great wood to work with
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Milt Atkinson" <miltatkinson@verizon.net>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie question
I have just gotten into the Air Camper bit I have not yet purchased the plans
that will be next week or so.
Where does everyone get their wood? Is Aircraft Spruce a good source? Is the kit
Aircraft Spruce offers for about $1000 worth it? Does anyone have a list of
materials?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Brad driver/small nail holder |
Why not just get one of these???
http://www.amazon.com/Bynford-25mm-Gauge-Headless-Nailer/dp/B00081Q42E
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brad driver/small nail holder
Don,
I found a perfect solution for holding those pesky small nails. I used
a wire stripper pliers, the ones with serrations on the nose end. The
little nails fit into those serrations perfectly and the nail is held 90
degrees to the pliers so you can place it easily and drive it home with
a small hammer.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Checked by AVG.
4/3/2008 6:36 PM
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| Subject: | Brad driver/small nail holder |
Clif;
What the heck are you suggesting? Mr. Pietenpol didn't have compressed air driven
brad drivers, for Piet's sake! I think if you stooped to using a power stapler
or brad driver you would be building an Ingersoll-Rand Air Crimper but for
sure not a Pietenpol Air Camper!
;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC (which has some air-driven staples in it!)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Old Growth Douglas Fir |
I found this on craigslist.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mat/627640924.html
It's not my listing. I just thought this list would be interested.
Marc Davis
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| Subject: | Brad driver/small nail holder |
> Oscar, Oscar, Oscar. Come on now! Let's not get
> carried away! Ingersol-Rand Air Crimper. Oh that's
> low! I'll have you know it's a Bynford!
>
> That's Bynford Air Crimper I'll have you know!!
>
> Hahahahahahahahaha..........a
>
>>
>>
>> Clif;
>>
>> What the heck are you suggesting? Mr. Pietenpol didn't have compressed
>> air driven brad drivers, for Piet's sake! I think if you stooped to
>> using
>> a power stapler or brad driver you would be building an Ingersoll-Rand
>> Air
>> Crimper but for sure not a Pietenpol Air Camper!
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC (which has some air-driven staples in it!)
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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