Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 04/04/08


Total Messages Posted: 8



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:03 AM - Re: Newbie question (Glenn Thomas)
     2. 06:12 AM - Re: Newbie question (TOM STINEMETZE)
     3. 06:51 AM - riblett (Douwe Blumberg)
     4. 07:21 AM - Re: riblett (Arden Adamson)
     5. 08:38 AM - Re: Brad driver/small nail holder (Dave Abramson)
     6. 02:51 PM - Re: Which Locktite to use? (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
     7. 03:05 PM - Corvair engines (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
     8. 04:21 PM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol? (Michael Silvius)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:03:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Newbie question
    From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
    Hi Milt, The wood topic has come up many times. I think spruce is probably the best due to it's strength to weight ratio. What I have found with Aircraft Spruce is that you will be paying top dollar and it's not always what you would expect for your money. The other aspect of ordering from them (again, based on your location) is that you could be eaten alive by shipping. I found a place nearby that I periodically visit to get aircraft grade plywood, a little cheaper than Aircraft Spruce, and my gas is my only shipping expense. I'm in CT and found that Boulter Plywood in Boston has everything I need. They have 2" x 6" rough cut spruce boards that I am ripping and planing to the various dimensions I need. You have to grade your own wood, but in my opinion, I seem to be pickier than Aircraft Spruce and have some really great spruce that cost a LOT less than it would have if I had it ordered and shipped. Grading info... http://www.sportair.com/articles/3Aircraft%20Wood%20-%20Part%20One.html Another good resource is Advisory Circular 43.13 available in book or free download from FAA.gov at... http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument Truth be told, the wood in the plane is not where the money goes. If you look at everything you will purchase to build the plane, the money you will save on wood costs is not that significant, especially if you select a wood that is heavier to save a few bucks. Some of the other woods will cause you to have built in weight that I think you will later regret. I am still fairly early in the process but have gathered a lot of information from this forum and weight is something to always be watchful of. You can bring this project in at as low as 595lbs. (Walt Evans) if you stick to the materials and design in the plans. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174770#174770


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    Time: 06:12:28 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Newbie question
    Milt: In deference to the numerous dissenting opinions you will hear expressed on this forum, my experience with the Aircraft Spruce Pietenpol wood kit has been very satisfactory. The kit is expensive (over $1,000) and the shipping certainly adds to that. Plus, the kit does not include any of the plywood or the rib materials which you will need to purchase separately. I later discovered that a nearby Mom and Pop airport at Hesston, KS had spruce for sale from his Moony Mite restoration business. He drives back East somewhere twice a year for new supplies and is willing to share at very reasonable prices. Here's their contact information. 11818 West US Highway 50, Halstead, KS 67056 http://www.wiebeaircraft.com Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS >I have just gotten into the Air Camper bit * I have not yet purchased the plans * that will be next week or so. >Where does everyone get their wood? Is Aircraft Spruce a good source? Is the kit Aircraft Spruce offers for about $1000 worth it?


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    Time: 06:51:17 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: riblett
    If you guys want to investigate riblett designs, I think I can find his phone number and you can go directly to the source. There are two he is recommending for a Piet. Let me know and I'll try to find it. Douwe


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    Time: 07:21:59 AM PST US
    Subject: riblett
    From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson@wnmdag.org>
    Douwe, I'm building the 612 Riblett design ribs. I'd appreciate his phone number. Thanks. Arden Adamson Waupaca,WI ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Fri 4/4/2008 8:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: riblett If you guys want to investigate riblett designs, I think I can find his phone number and you can go directly to the source. There are two he is recommending for a Piet. Let me know and I'll try to find it. Douwe


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    Time: 08:38:13 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: Brad driver/small nail holder
    I used a small pair of needle nose pliers..... Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Brad driver/small nail holder > Oscar, Oscar, Oscar. Come on now! Let's not get > carried away! Ingersol-Rand Air Crimper. Oh that's > low! I'll have you know it's a Bynford! > > That's Bynford Air Crimper I'll have you know!! > > Hahahahahahahahaha..........a > >> >> >> Clif; >> >> What the heck are you suggesting? Mr. Pietenpol didn't have compressed >> air driven brad drivers, for Piet's sake! I think if you stooped to >> using >> a power stapler or brad driver you would be building an Ingersoll-Rand >> Air >> Crimper but for sure not a Pietenpol Air Camper! >> >> ;o) >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC (which has some air-driven staples in it!) >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 02:51:29 PM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Which Locktite to use?
    I would think that locktite #620 would hold on your applicaton very well. Ken H HelsperSew@aol.com wrote: Gentlemen, My prop hub will hang on to the Ford A engine by only 4 bolts and there is not enough room on the back side for any nut at all. Which Locktite product would you use to make sure those bolts never got loose? I need recommendations from some experts. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. --------------------------------- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.


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    Time: 03:05:39 PM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Corvair engines
    Fellow Pieter's, I have two complete Corvair engines disassembled complete ready to rebuilt if any member is looking for a Corvair engine. Everything is in very good condition! These engines were purchased from a Certified Corvair Service Mechanic who truly knows his stuff! I purchased these engines for $350.00 each. If any member is interested please advise and I will box up and send to you for the same cost I have in them. Buy the pair and I'll drop the price to $600.00 even plus shipping. If no interest...Ebay bound! Email me if need more information. Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return, to break the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of God!" -da Vinci/John Gillespie Magee --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.


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    Time: 04:21:20 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius@gwi.net>
    Subject: Re: Is this a Pietenpol?
    Just found these on my desk. not the pest quality, since mi scaner is MIA a digital pix of a print picture but I think this will work. you can see the shelf i spoke about, the canted cabanes and the missing wing center section. Michael




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