---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/06/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:23 AM - Sun n Fun (ALAN LYSCARS) 2. 11:41 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (Ben Charvet) 3. 11:58 AM - Re: Sun n Fun (Jim Ash) 4. 02:34 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Ryan Michals) 5. 03:57 PM - Sky Scout for sale (Brian Kraut) 6. 05:47 PM - Is this a Pietenpol 2? (Michael Silvius) 7. 06:20 PM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? (Rick Holland) 8. 06:33 PM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? (Michael Silvius) 9. 06:43 PM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? (Brian Kraut) 10. 07:25 PM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? (Owen Davies) 11. 07:43 PM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? (bhassel) 12. 07:48 PM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol? (bhassel) 13. 07:49 PM - Re: Corvair engines (bhassel) 14. 09:37 PM - Bad news - broken fuel tank fitting & warning to builders (Steve Ruse) 15. 11:44 PM - Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:51 AM PST US From: "ALAN LYSCARS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Boys: Anybody, besides myself, flying out commercial tomorrow? I'm leaving Manchester-Boston Southwest Air @0745. Al Lyscars Manchester, NH ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:15 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun I;ll be there Thursday and Friday, but I only need to drive 2 hrs to get there :-) I'll check in at the woodworking tent every day. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl ALAN LYSCARS wrote: > Boys: > > Anybody, besides myself, flying out commercial tomorrow? I'm leaving > Manchester-Boston Southwest Air @0745. > > Al Lyscars > Manchester, NH > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:44 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun Flew out MHT-MCO, o-dark 30 yesterday (Sat 4/5). Setting up the workshop now. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: ALAN LYSCARS >Sent: Apr 6, 2008 11:20 AM >To: Piet List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun > >Boys: > >Anybody, besides myself, flying out commercial tomorrow? I'm leaving Manchester-Boston Southwest Air @0745. > >Al Lyscars >Manchester, NH ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:20 PM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun I'll be there at some point. Ryan Ben Charvet wrote: I;ll be there Thursday and Friday, but I only need to drive 2 hrs to get there :-) I'll check in at the woodworking tent every day. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl ALAN LYSCARS wrote: > Boys: > > Anybody, besides myself, flying out commercial tomorrow? I'm leaving > Manchester-Boston Southwest Air @0745. > > Al Lyscars > Manchester, NH > > * > > > * --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:38 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout for sale I finally made a web page for my Sky Scout project. I want to finish it, but I have nine other airplane projects I am working on right now and another new one coming in two weeks. If it does not sell I will finish it. It is #3 in line right now behind a Monerai motor glider that will be ready in two to three weeks and a customer's KR-2 project. Possibly I will have a customer Pitts project and a couple of RVs jumping ahead of it also soon. The web site is at: http://www.engalt.com/pietenpol_sky_scout_project.htm Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:55 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:49 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? Wow, that is some drastic mods to the original plans (but some beautiful work), don't want to hear anyone give any builders grief for changing their wingspan by a couple inches after seeing this. Rick On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:29 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? By the way that photo was from a Sport Aviation with a date of Feb 1982 Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? Wow, that is some drastic mods to the original plans (but some beautiful work), don't want to hear anyone give any builders grief for changing their wingspan by a couple inches after seeing this. Rick On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:05 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? Sure looks nice. I like the looks a lot more than a standard Piet. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael Silvius Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:07 PM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? Michael Silvius wrote: [insert photo/cap here] Gee, I'd always wondered about doing that! Now let's go to a more modern airfoil and a Corvair engine, and maybe reinforce the wing to make it cantilever, and.... Actually, I love this idea. Owen ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? From: "bhassel" Don't stop there Owen! Sounds like a great set of ideas! Bob Santa Fe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175173#175173 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is this a Pietenpol? From: "bhassel" I don't know - maybe a St Croix??? Bob Santa Fe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175174#175174 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair engines From: "bhassel" Just curious - what a re the model numbers? Bob Santa Fe, NM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175175#175175 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:29 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bad news - broken fuel tank fitting & warning to builders First I guess I should state that I am a non-builder owner. I bought my GN-1 3 years ago, and have flown it around 300hrs. It has about 500hrs total time, and has been a great plane. I took a friend up for a brief flight this evening, and when we landed I started removing all of my fuel lines and fittings, I intend to replace the rubber lines with stainless braided lines. My fuel tank is a fiberglass 18.3 gallon tank in the nose. I was pulling the fuel line off the nipple on the fuel valve at the bottom of the tank, and the entire fuel valve, strainer, and all fittings broke right off the bottom of the tank! This left the ~3/8" hole in the bottom of the tank wide open, which poured some fuel into the cockpit until I was able to stick my finger in the hole. I was working through an inspection hole on the side of the fuse directly behind the firewall. There were at least 12 gallons of fuel in the tank, which we had to empty using a coffee can, one can at a time. Luckily I had a friend there with me, I would've been in trouble if I had been working alone like I usually am. As you can imagine, this situation in itself created a fire hazard in the hangar. I was not using excessive force on the fuel line, a moderate kick by the passenger would've had the same effect. It would've resulting in immediate engine failure, a forced landing, and the emptying of the fuel tank into the cockpit! A very, very bad situation! That is something for builders to take note of, make sure your fuel fittings are very, very sturdy! I was replacing the rubber fuel lines with stainless braided lines to increase the strength of the whole system, little did I know that the fuel tank fitting probably had less than 10% of the strength of the rubber fuel lines that were installed. Attached are three pictures of the broken fitting, as well as one picture of the fitting I had taken several weeks ago to help me decide what I needed to do to change the valve and hoses. As you can see, the fitting and strainer were held to the tank only by a large glob of fiberglass resin. There was no fiber in this glob, so the mechanical bond to the tank was relatively weak. The "blob" was also placed on the tank after the tank had cured, so the resins were not actually mixed, the blob was just "stuck" on the cured tank. This was the only mechanical bond between the tank fitting and the tank. Now, I need to determine what to do to get the plane airworthy. I can build another tank, or I could try to determine a way to attach my new fuel valve to the old tank. Of course, my primary concern is being able to attach the valve in a very secure manner. I believe replacing the tank would legally require a new restricted fly-off period by the local FSDO as it is a major change. I belive replacing the the existing fuel valve would not require a new fly-off period. Any tips anyone can give me on a good method to secure a new valve to the existing tank would be greatly appreciated. I fly this plane a lot, and flying season is here so I hate to have it down, but repairing it properly and safely is my primary concern. I would like the new valve to be mounted to the tank using a method that is strong enough that it would damage the tank before the fitting would just fall off like this. I will remove the tank this week and post a few pictures. Thanks for any suggestions or input! Steve Ruse Norman, OK ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:50 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? This is a really cool example of home building. Thanks, Rob Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, Alaska 907-230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr IM Windows Live Messenger: foto@alaska.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Silvius Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is this a Pietenpol 2? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.