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1. 10:51 AM - Electric start (outofthebox50@yahoo.com)
2. 11:01 AM - Re: Electric start ()
3. 01:33 PM - Re: Electric start (Ryan Mueller)
4. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? (Michael Silvius)
5. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? (walt evans)
6. 03:24 PM - Speaking of an electric start (walt evans)
7. 05:47 PM - Question concerning longerons (Milt Atkinson)
8. 06:06 PM - Re: Question concerning longerons (Peter W Johnson)
9. 06:07 PM - Re: Question concerning longerons (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=)
10. 06:21 PM - Re: Question concerning longerons (gcardinal)
11. 07:23 PM - Re: Question concerning longerons (Gary Boothe)
12. 08:17 PM - Re: Speaking of an electric start (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
13. 09:38 PM - Re: Bad news - broken fuel tank fitting & warning to builders (Steve Ruse)
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I found a 90HP Franklin 4AC-199 with all the trimmings off of an Air Camper, with
mount, prop, and baffles. Assuming the mount is built to plans, it is pretty
much turn key for us. The price is right, it's local, and its in the HP
range we're looking for. It doesn't have electric start and I can't sell my dad
on the fact that he's not too old to prop start a plane. The other Franklins
I've seen have the starter in the acc. housing . I'm no A&P so how much trouble
am I asking for if I add a flywheel to the hub and mount a starter on bottom?
Thanks, Jeremy
DFW, TX
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I can't see the weight being a factor since the 90 hp is more than
enough to lift both if you as well as the starter and periferals.Just my
take on it.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
outofthebox50@yahoo.com
Sent: April 8, 2008 1:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Electric start
I found a 90HP Franklin 4AC-199 with all the trimmings off of an Air
Camper, with mount, prop, and baffles. Assuming the mount is built to
plans, it is pretty much turn key for us. The price is right, it's
local, and its in the HP range we're looking for. It doesn't have
electric start and I can't sell my dad on the fact that he's not too old
to prop start a plane. The other Franklins I've seen have the starter
in the acc. housing . I'm no A&P so how much trouble am I asking for
if I add a flywheel to the hub and mount a starter on bottom?
Thanks, Jeremy
DFW, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Electric start |
What is the full model number of the engine? The following 90hp Franklin models
came with starters:
4AC-199B3, D3, E3, E4, H3
It may be as simple as swapping the rear accessory housing and a gear to be able
to add a starter to a non-starter model. You may try to find a Franklin or Stinson
(the Voyagers use a variant of the engine) guru or shop and ask them about
it.
The TCDS for the engine has info on what accessories were certified with which
model:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/regulatory_and_guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/5186dc2d8bcd40158525670c005678e5/$FILE/ATT7U7FQ/TC226.pdf
Ryan
I found a 90HP Franklin 4AC-199 with all the trimmings off of an Air Camper, with
mount, prop, and baffles. Assuming the mount is built to plans, it is pretty
much turn key for us. The price is right, it's local, and its in the HP
range we're looking for. It doesn't have electric start and I can't sell my dad
on the fact that he's not too old to prop start a plane. The other Franklins
I've seen have the starter in the acc. housing . I'm no A&P so how much trouble
am I asking for if I add a flywheel to the hub and mount a starter on bottom?
Thanks, Jeremy
DFW, TX
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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| Subject: | Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? |
And what about this one?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Pietenpol-Aircamper/0320877&photo_nr=62&prev_id=0353981&next_id=0314779&size=L
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| Subject: | Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2? |
Nope.
Why did he pick the name Pietenpol??
Shouldn't at least ONE thing be the same??
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius@gwi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is this a Pietenpol 2?
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| Subject: | Speaking of an electric start |
Did anyone find a way to add a starter to an A-65?
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
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| Subject: | Question concerning longerons |
Air Camper longerons are 13' 5" on top and would have to be a bit longer on
the bottom due to the curve. Do you guys order the 1"X1" longerons as one
section .. That is, would I order 4 pieces about 15' long or 8 pieces about
8' long and then splice them?
Milt Atkinson
(still dreaming . haven't started yet)
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| Subject: | Question concerning longerons |
Milt,
Order 4 pieces, I ordered 4 x 16 feet pieces from AS&S.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milt
Atkinson
Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question concerning longerons
Air Camper longerons are 13=92 5=94 on top and would have to be a bit
longer on
the bottom due to the curve. Do you guys order the 1=94X1=94 longerons
as one
section =85. That is, would I order 4 pieces about 15=92 long or 8
pieces about
8=92 long and then splice them?
Milt Atkinson
(still dreaming =85 haven=92t started yet)
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| Subject: | Re: Question concerning longerons |
Milt
I ripped mine from poplar plank S2 at full length then scarfed the joints to lengths
greater than needed. Then cut each to lengths that kept joints away from
each other to avoid any compounding of weekness that may have resulted from any
of the joints
Not certain if that's a valid concern or the right method or not its just the way
I did it
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Milt Atkinson" <miltatkinson@verizon.net>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question concerning longerons
Air Camper longerons are 13 5 on top and would have to be a bit longer on the bottom
due to the curve. Do you guys order the 1X1 longerons as one section . That
is, would I order 4 pieces about 15 long or 8 pieces about 8 long and then
splice them?
Milt Atkinson
(still dreaming havent started yet)
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| Subject: | Re: Question concerning longerons |
Longerons are spliced on NX18235. 130 hours in various levels of
turbulence and lots of my abusive landings. No problems.
Use good wood and good adhesive. Follow standard practices and you'll
have no worries.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Milt Atkinson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question concerning longerons
Air Camper longerons are 13' 5" on top and would have to be a bit
longer on the bottom due to the curve. Do you guys order the 1"X1"
longerons as one section .. That is, would I order 4 pieces about 15'
long or 8 pieces about 8' long and then splice them?
Milt Atkinson
(still dreaming . haven't started yet)
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| Subject: | Question concerning longerons |
Milt,
Most will say to order to length, or cut from large stock that you
purchase
to do the spars. I have chosen to use poplar on everything except the
spars,
and just started splicing the longerons. I am laminating =BD=94 x 10=92
(that way
the scarf joints are well staggered), using a 15 to 1 scarf joint. I
have a
very easy jig for cutting the joints that works on a table saw. I
started
with the straight, upper longeron, and the laminating process will help
with
the lower one, though bending doesn=92t seem to have been a problem with
any
one. So far, so good=85=85I should say that my wood provider just told
me on
Monday that he can get me 16=92 lengths, easily. I may switch over, but
either
way it should work out well.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail Group awaiting hinges,
Working on fuse,
(6 ribs down...)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milt
Atkinson
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question concerning longerons
Air Camper longerons are 13=92 5=94 on top and would have to be a bit
longer on
the bottom due to the curve. Do you guys order the 1=94X1=94 longerons
as one
section =85. That is, would I order 4 pieces about 15=92 long or 8
pieces about
8=92 long and then splice them?
Milt Atkinson
(still dreaming =85 haven=92t started yet)
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of an electric start |
Walt,
Yes. If you search the air boat industry there is a few guys I have spoken to
who have made the conversation using automotive parts and a flywheel drilled
to match the crank shaft. I will search for the information but I do remember
speaking with some air boat dealers in Florida who can lead you in the right direction
for parts.
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Did anyone find a way to add a starter to an A-65?
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Bad news - broken fuel tank fitting & warning |
to builders
I pulled the fuel tank out of the nose tonight, it literally took about
twenty minutes to remove the cover and fuel tank. What a simple job!
It is great to have something that is so easy to work on. Now I have
some questions about repairs to the tank:
The tank is mounted in the nose above the passenger's feet, so any fuel
leaks at this fitting are in the cockpit. For that reason, I'd like the
new fitting to be strong enough that the tank would break before the
fitting fell off. If this fitting had broken off in flight, all of the
fuel (18.3 gallons when full) would have drained into the passenger
floorboard (not to mention the engine would have been dead). This
experience has given me a strong appreciation for fuel tank designs like
Chuck Gantzer's, where the fuel is entirely isolated from the cockpit
interior. Excellent design, in my opinion.
For the new fuel fitting installation, I'd like to be able to screw a 90
degree elbow to the new tank fitting, and screw a new fuel valve to the
elbow, that way the valve won't drop 5" from the bottom of the tank like
it did on the original install. I also intend to install a cable
operated fuel shuttoff, which it didn't have before. I can handle all
of that, I just haven't done fiberglass work before, so I'm leary of
repairing the fiberglass tank myself. It is about 21" inches from the
filler neck down to the sump/fitting location (through the tank). There
is no way to access the inside of the tank except through the filler
neck. The tank is "three layers of fiberglass with Safe-T-Poxy"
according to the logbook.
Could I possibly cut an access hole in the top of the tank, install the
new fitting through that hole, and then patch the hole? Is patching a
fiberglass tank that simple?
Tom, I believe this is the "top hat" flange you were talking about, that
works with the finger strainer:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/alumflange.php
Thanks for the help everyone.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM STINEMETZE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bad news - broken fuel tank fitting &
warning to builders
Steve:
I got my finger strainers and the associated fittings from Aircraft
Spruce. I just did a quick search on their site but could not find it
in time to keep my boss from catching me on the web.
Tom S.
> Do you know where the threaded brass "top hat" fitting came from?
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