---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/13/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:02 AM - Re: Cubs and Champs (MikeD) 2. 11:27 AM - Re: georgia piets anyone? (Gardiner Mason) 3. 11:38 AM - Spar Butt Joint Help (Jack T. Textor) 4. 01:17 PM - Re: Spar Butt Joint Help (Ben Charvet) 5. 01:56 PM - Re: Spar Butt Joint Help (Jack T. Textor) 6. 06:42 PM - one piece wing (Gene Rambo) 7. 08:53 PM - Re: Spar Butt Joint Help (Richard Schreiber) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cubs and Champs From: "MikeD" michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov wrote: > Gary, > You don't have shoulder > harnesses ? You do what they did in the old days--you fly with one > hand and before 'landing' > you straight arm the panel with the other. Sounds crude but it beats > getting smashed up in the > head. I'm not convinced it would really do much for you in any kind of a significant thump except get your arm broken up before cracking your noggin.. would it? -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176556#176556 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:39 AM PST US From: "Gardiner Mason" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: georgia piets anyone? John , I am building a piet in Lagrange, Ga. I will be glad to have you visit if you like. It is an hour SW on I 85. Gardiner Mason. 706 594 3811 ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: georgia piets anyone? I am working in the greater Atlanta area next week for a few days and wanted to visit a Piet, anyone interested? Please advise Thanks John Recine NX895BP reserved In a message dated 4/10/2008 3:27:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, timothywillis@earthlink.net writes: The Piet has more drag than most, if not all of the planes flying VW engines. There is not enough HP left after the Piet's drag to lift a fully loaded Piet well, and the climb rate should be miserable. There has been enough recent discussion about safe loads and climbing rates, clearing trees and steeples, etc. in A-65 Piets on warm days. The few CH601s or the exceptional Cub with a VW engine are much heavier than the planes that usually have a VW engine, like a Flybaby or a Volksplane. Still, they have less drag than a Piet. Moreover, the usual planes with VW engines are single place. I don't think that the guys offering the CH601-701-801s recommend any VW engines for their planes. I have seen "never a VW" discussions in the Piet matronics archives. I've never seen anyone justify its use on a Piet. Lastly, I don't think any experienced aviator or builder would recommend using a VW on a Piet. That doesn't mean that someone hasn't tried it, though. And it might work OK on a single-place Scout with Riblett wings. You'd still have weight and balance problems, though, as pointed out. To me, the VW engine on a Piet sounds like a good way to end up as an FAA statistic one warm day. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Abramson >Sent: Apr 10, 2008 12:58 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices > >Not enough weight..... > >DIT-VIT > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Milt Atkinson > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:20 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices > > > Has anyone considered or accomplished the use of a VW engine? > > > > What are the pros and cons? > > > > Milt Atkinson > > (plans ordered . still e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar Butt Joint Help From: "Jack T. Textor" Hello all, Need some help please. I'm building the three piece wing. Looking at the attached picture, do I have to route out the semi-circle, pointed out by the pencil? It seems so for the straps to clear the spar 3/32 doubler. Thanks, Jack Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:40 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar Butt Joint Help Hi Jack, I discovered that problem after I'd already glued the doublers in place, bolted everything up and trammeled my wing. I was able to cut it out with a chisel. I pre-cut my doublers for the second wing. Making the second wing goes much faster, after you learn all these little tricks. Dick Navratil could probably tell us exactly, but I think building a second Piet would take about 1/4 as much time. Ben Jack T. Textor wrote: > > Hello all, > > Need some help please. Im building the three piece wing. Looking at > the attached picture, do I have to route out the semi-circle, pointed > out by the pencil? It seems so for the straps to clear the spar 3/32 > doubler. > > Thanks, > > Jack > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:24 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar Butt Joint Help From: "Jack T. Textor" Boy that's the truth Ben. Even after watching the list and trying to look forward for obstacles I still hit a lot of snags. Just today I repositioned my outer tip braces because they interfered with the drag wires. Thanks for the help! Jack Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar Butt Joint Help Hi Jack, I discovered that problem after I'd already glued the doublers in place, bolted everything up and trammeled my wing. I was able to cut it out with a chisel. I pre-cut my doublers for the second wing. Making the second wing goes much faster, after you learn all these little tricks. Dick Navratil could probably tell us exactly, but I think building a second Piet would take about 1/4 as much time. Ben Jack T. Textor wrote: > > Hello all, > > Need some help please. I'm building the three piece wing. Looking at > the attached picture, do I have to route out the semi-circle, pointed > out by the pencil? It seems so for the straps to clear the spar 3/32 > doubler. > > Thanks, > > Jack > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:27 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: one piece wing I need to talk to anyone who has built, or is building, a one piece wing. Please contact me offline and I will exchange phone numbers so we can talk a bit. Gene ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:15 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar Butt Joint Help Jack, Thats what I did. I didn't discover the problem until I went to slide the spar into position. I just used a Dremmel with a router attachment to relieve the are you are pointing to. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor Sent: 4/13/2008 1:48:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar Butt Joint Help Hello all, Need some help please. Im building the three piece wing. Looking at the attached picture, do I have to route out the semi-circle, pointed out by the pencil? It seems so for the straps to clear the spar 3/32 doubler. Thanks, Jack Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. 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