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1. 12:30 AM - Hi All... Something you might be interested in - NOT spam (Acklam, David PFC MIL USA)
2. 04:11 AM - Re: Questions about nails and varnish (Phillips, Jack)
3. 12:11 PM - DAR in the Cincinatti area (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 12:15 PM - registration (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 12:47 PM - Re: registration (Gene Rambo)
6. 12:48 PM - Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area (Gene Rambo)
7. 01:00 PM - Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area (FTLovley)
8. 01:37 PM - Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area (Gene Rambo)
9. 04:29 PM - Re: registration (gcardinal)
10. 09:10 PM - Re: Questions about nails and varnish (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
11. 09:15 PM - spoked rims from model a ford (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
12. 10:53 PM - Re: Questions about nails and varnish (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Hi All... Something you might be interested in - NOT spam |
I managed to buy a Turner T-40S project...
Which came with some rather large wing ribs... Upon further examination,
I find out these are Aircamper ribs - useless to me (the T-40 uses a
totally different & much smaller wing profile)...
But potentially very useful to one of you...
So rather than using them for firewood (what a waste) I'm putting them
up for sale...
These are 29 complete & 100% intact ribs, and 1 rib that has a small
area of damage... They would be shipped with 2 pieces of wood placed
through the 'spar' position IAT stabilize & protect them...
So if you want to save time & work, e-mail me... I can provide you with
pictures if you so desire...
Make me an offer...
Note, these are 30 ribs & the complete package measures about
3ftx5ftx6in, 'eyeball measurements' (eg I didn't take a ruler to it)...
So shipping will probably be slightly expensive...
david.acklam(at)us.army.mil
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| Subject: | Questions about nails and varnish |
It's been a while since I did my wings but as I recall, a quart kit was
enough to give the wings 2 or 3 coats. Thin the first coat 50/50 with
reducer to get good penetration into the wood.
Jack
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Kraut
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Thanks.
Any idea on how much would be needed to do a set of wings?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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Jack
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:30 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Brian, the very best varnish available, IMHO, is PolyFiber's
Epoxy Varnish. It is absolutely bulletproof and will not be lifted by
their finishing materials. It ain't cheap, though at about $24 a quart
($60 for a quart kit, which yields 2.5 quarts of mixed varnish).
Jack Phillips
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Kraut
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:15 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
What is a good varnish to use if you are going to be covering
very soon after?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
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Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:17 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and
varnish
From what I have read, Spar Varnish is a very good,
economical alternative to the higher priced epoxy finishes. It is fully
water resistant and contains UV protection (designed to protect exterior
woodwork on boats). It does, however need to fully cure before you start
applying covering adhesives and finishes, or the solvents in the
adhesives etc. will attack the varnish. I believe the varnish should be
allowed to cure for about a month before attempting any covering.
Here's a little practical tip regarding Spar Varnish.
If you use satin finish, it will brush (or spray) on
with a wet look, but cure with a matte finish (not glossy). When you go
to do the next coat, it will be much easier to determine where you have
applied the second coat, and where you have missed. But if you use the
high gloss stuff, it's very difficult to tell what has gotten the second
(or third) coat and what hasn't. If you prefer the look of a glossy
finish, just use the high gloss finish for the final top coat.
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| Subject: | DAR in the Cincinatti area |
Hey,
Anybody know a good DAR who would come to the Cincinatti/northern KY
area?
Douwe
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If I go ahead and register though unfinished, does anyone know if there
is a deadline then by which time you must get your airworthiness cert?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: registration |
yea, before an FAA inspector will sign it off to fly!!!
Gene
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration
If I go ahead and register though unfinished, does anyone know if
there is a deadline then by which time you must get your airworthiness
cert?
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| Subject: | Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area |
Douwe, I am in Cincinnati right now overnight. Where you located??
Gene 202-674-1445
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area
Hey,
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| Subject: | Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area |
RUN....Douwe....RUN FAST...!!!
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Douwe, I am in Cincinnati right now overnight. Where you located??
Gene 202-674-1445
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| Subject: | Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area |
yea, yea . . . 10,000 comedians out of work . . . .
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:56 PM
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RUN....Douwe....RUN FAST...!!!
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Douwe, I am in Cincinnati right now overnight. Where you located??
Gene 202-674-1445
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| Subject: | Re: registration |
There is no deadline.
Greg
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration
If I go ahead and register though unfinished, does anyone know if
there is a deadline then by which time you must get your airworthiness
cert?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about nails and varnish |
Instead of nails, I used ordinary staples out of my office stapler (swingline -
like in the movie Office Space). The staples are only used to hold the piece
lightly in position - not a ton of clamping pressure pushing out the epoxy.
I think I saw this method in an EAA video about aircraft woodworking. Once the
glue is dry, the staples come out.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | spoked rims from model a ford |
Maybe a stupid question but has anyone considered using model a ford spoked wheels?
I have no idea what they weigh, which is probably the biggest concern with
them. I'd think they be fine for side load since they were on the front end
of a car going around corners.
Like I said, the weight is probably an issue.
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about nails and varnish |
I have used a bostitch stapler with and without cardboard strips under them.
I now have a "pin nailer" that shoots virtually undetectable 22 ga bits of
wire.
Since epoxied gussets and anything else just doesn't like to stay in place
but
slip and slide around, these tools are invaluable.
Epoxy doesn't need clamp pressure. It does need complete wetting of the
parts and no voids. I cover both pieces liberaly. Press the parts together
until
you squeeze some glue out then pin or staple in place.
The pins are so tiny that an entire airplane's worth may add a couple of
ounces.
As per discussions on this list many years ago, I have been using Helmsman
uerathane gloss spar varnish.
The reason for such a high gloss varnish is that that is a major part of the
UV
protection. It acts as a mirror.
I suspect that it's the "uerathane" part of the stuff that resists nasty
chemicals
so any of the high quality ( expensive) varnishes will do the job.
Lastly, us gloss where the sun shines and satin where it don't.
For cheap homegrown eurathane, just piss in the can. Hahahahahahaha!
And remember, a little help goes a long ways;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4BYMvVvMg0&feature=related
Clif
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My questions at the moment are:
>
> 1) are aircraft nails necessary for the assembly process, or can I skip
> the nails all together and just use an adequate number of clamps to hold
> things in place while the T-88 sets?
>
> 2) what specific brands and type of varnish is everybody using to seal and
> protect the wood, and how many coats of varnish are required?
>
> Billy McCaskill
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