---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/18/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:30 AM - Hi All... Something you might be interested in - NOT spam (Acklam, David PFC MIL USA) 2. 04:11 AM - Re: Questions about nails and varnish (Phillips, Jack) 3. 12:11 PM - DAR in the Cincinatti area (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 12:15 PM - registration (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 12:47 PM - Re: registration (Gene Rambo) 6. 12:48 PM - Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area (Gene Rambo) 7. 01:00 PM - Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area (FTLovley) 8. 01:37 PM - Re: DAR in the Cincinatti area (Gene Rambo) 9. 04:29 PM - Re: registration (gcardinal) 10. 09:10 PM - Re: Questions about nails and varnish (tmbrant1@netzero.com) 11. 09:15 PM - spoked rims from model a ford (tmbrant1@netzero.com) 12. 10:53 PM - Re: Questions about nails and varnish (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:06 AM PST US From: "Acklam, David PFC MIL USA" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi All... Something you might be interested in - NOT spam I managed to buy a Turner T-40S project... Which came with some rather large wing ribs... Upon further examination, I find out these are Aircamper ribs - useless to me (the T-40 uses a totally different & much smaller wing profile)... But potentially very useful to one of you... So rather than using them for firewood (what a waste) I'm putting them up for sale... These are 29 complete & 100% intact ribs, and 1 rib that has a small area of damage... They would be shipped with 2 pieces of wood placed through the 'spar' position IAT stabilize & protect them... So if you want to save time & work, e-mail me... I can provide you with pictures if you so desire... Make me an offer... Note, these are 30 ribs & the complete package measures about 3ftx5ftx6in, 'eyeball measurements' (eg I didn't take a ruler to it)... So shipping will probably be slightly expensive... david.acklam(at)us.army.mil ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish From: "Phillips, Jack" It's been a while since I did my wings but as I recall, a quart kit was enough to give the wings 2 or 3 coats. Thin the first coat 50/50 with reducer to get good penetration into the wood. Jack NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish Thanks. Any idea on how much would be needed to do a set of wings? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:30 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish Brian, the very best varnish available, IMHO, is PolyFiber's Epoxy Varnish. It is absolutely bulletproof and will not be lifted by their finishing materials. It ain't cheap, though at about $24 a quart ($60 for a quart kit, which yields 2.5 quarts of mixed varnish). Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:15 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish What is a good varnish to use if you are going to be covering very soon after? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:17 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish From what I have read, Spar Varnish is a very good, economical alternative to the higher priced epoxy finishes. It is fully water resistant and contains UV protection (designed to protect exterior woodwork on boats). It does, however need to fully cure before you start applying covering adhesives and finishes, or the solvents in the adhesives etc. will attack the varnish. I believe the varnish should be allowed to cure for about a month before attempting any covering. Here's a little practical tip regarding Spar Varnish. If you use satin finish, it will brush (or spray) on with a wet look, but cure with a matte finish (not glossy). When you go to do the next coat, it will be much easier to determine where you have applied the second coat, and where you have missed. But if you use the high gloss stuff, it's very difficult to tell what has gotten the second (or third) coat and what hasn't. If you prefer the look of a glossy finish, just use the high gloss finish for the final top coat. Bill C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. 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Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:34 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area Hey, Anybody know a good DAR who would come to the Cincinatti/northern KY area? Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:42 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration If I go ahead and register though unfinished, does anyone know if there is a deadline then by which time you must get your airworthiness cert? Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:44 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: registration yea, before an FAA inspector will sign it off to fly!!! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration If I go ahead and register though unfinished, does anyone know if there is a deadline then by which time you must get your airworthiness cert? Douwe http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:49 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area Douwe, I am in Cincinnati right now overnight. Where you located?? Gene 202-674-1445 ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area Hey, Anybody know a good DAR who would come to the Cincinatti/northern KY area? Douwe http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:35 PM PST US From: FTLovley Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area RUN....Douwe....RUN FAST...!!! In a message dated 04/18/08 14:49:40 Central Daylight Time, generambo@msn.com writes: Douwe, I am in Cincinnati right now overnight. Where you located?? Gene 202-674-1445 ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area Hey, Anybody know a good DAR who would come to the Cincinatti/northern KY area? Douwe title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:15 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area yea, yea . . . 10,000 comedians out of work . . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: FTLovley To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area RUN....Douwe....RUN FAST...!!! In a message dated 04/18/08 14:49:40 Central Daylight Time, generambo@msn.com writes: Douwe, I am in Cincinnati right now overnight. Where you located?? Gene 202-674-1445 ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: DAR in the Cincinatti area Hey, Anybody know a good DAR who would come to the Cincinatti/northern KY area? 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Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: registration If I go ahead and register though unfinished, does anyone know if there is a deadline then by which time you must get your airworthiness cert? Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:32 PM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish Instead of nails, I used ordinary staples out of my office stapler (swingline - like in the movie Office Space). The staples are only used to hold the piece lightly in position - not a ton of clamping pressure pushing out the epoxy. I think I saw this method in an EAA video about aircraft woodworking. Once the glue is dry, the staples come out. Tom B. _____________________________________________________________ Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijnC3paI0PpefAiLdBfu1DIqsVGL4IAdF4NrMFgstVcegASRg/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:18 PM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: spoked rims from model a ford Maybe a stupid question but has anyone considered using model a ford spoked wheels? I have no idea what they weigh, which is probably the biggest concern with them. I'd think they be fine for side load since they were on the front end of a car going around corners. Like I said, the weight is probably an issue. _____________________________________________________________ Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmDRMJur3WTmMuGOeesowXShWWxgDBTy5qliwQ6nt87ANHKG/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:54 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish I have used a bostitch stapler with and without cardboard strips under them. I now have a "pin nailer" that shoots virtually undetectable 22 ga bits of wire. Since epoxied gussets and anything else just doesn't like to stay in place but slip and slide around, these tools are invaluable. Epoxy doesn't need clamp pressure. It does need complete wetting of the parts and no voids. I cover both pieces liberaly. Press the parts together until you squeeze some glue out then pin or staple in place. The pins are so tiny that an entire airplane's worth may add a couple of ounces. As per discussions on this list many years ago, I have been using Helmsman uerathane gloss spar varnish. The reason for such a high gloss varnish is that that is a major part of the UV protection. It acts as a mirror. I suspect that it's the "uerathane" part of the stuff that resists nasty chemicals so any of the high quality ( expensive) varnishes will do the job. Lastly, us gloss where the sun shines and satin where it don't. For cheap homegrown eurathane, just piss in the can. Hahahahahahaha! And remember, a little help goes a long ways; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4BYMvVvMg0&feature=related Clif > My questions at the moment are: > > 1) are aircraft nails necessary for the assembly process, or can I skip > the nails all together and just use an adequate number of clamps to hold > things in place while the T-88 sets? > > 2) what specific brands and type of varnish is everybody using to seal and > protect the wood, and how many coats of varnish are required? > > Billy McCaskill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.