---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/21/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:49 AM - Re: Plywood leading edge (Gene Rambo) 2. 07:45 AM - Re: Plywood leading edge (Dick Navratil) 3. 08:21 AM - Re: Plywood leading edge (Brian Kraut) 4. 10:53 AM - Re: Plywood leading edge (Dick Navratil) 5. 11:42 AM - Re: Plywood leading edge (HelsperSew@aol.com) 6. 11:44 AM - Re: Plywood leading edge (shad bell) 7. 11:53 AM - Re: Plywood leading edge (Phillips, Jack) 8. 12:15 PM - Re: Plywood leading edge (Brian Kraut) 9. 01:49 PM - love to post this pic (walt evans) 10. 01:57 PM - need advice on radios (walt evans) 11. 03:01 PM - Re: need advice on radios (hvandervoo@aol.com) 12. 03:32 PM - Re: need advice on radios (Eric Williams) 13. 03:48 PM - Re: need advice on radios (Peter W Johnson) 14. 04:20 PM - harley rims (tmbrant1@netzero.com) 15. 05:55 PM - Re: love to post this pic (Ryan Michals) 16. 06:04 PM - Model A engine Piet questions (iowaboy) 17. 06:10 PM - Re: harley rims (gcardinal) 18. 07:11 PM - Re: love to post this pic (walt evans) 19. 07:35 PM - Re: need advice on radios (nypnx211@charter.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:34 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge I don't know what the plans look like for the GN!, but why are you (and others) putting the ply all the way around the leading edge? It is only called for on the top, from the leading edge back to the spar. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge > I am about ready to do the 1/16" plywood skin on my Sky Scout center section. I have the GN-1 airfoil which has a little bigger radius on the leading edge, but it still looks to me like a pretty small radius bend for 1/16" plywood. The GN-1 plans don't give a lot of details and I can't seem to locate my Piet plans right now. I am thinking two possible methods of doing this. The first one would be to do the spruce leading edge and form it for a 1/4" recess top and bottom to have separate plywood pieces that glue to it, but do not wrap all the way around the tight nose radius. The second method would be to form the leading edge to match the ribs and wrap a the plywood leading edge piece all the way around it. I think that I would need to soak the plywood and wrap it wet then let it dry and form to the shape to keep from breaking it. If I do this method I will add filler pieces on the top and bottom of the forward spar and make a leading edge that only covers halfway back on the spars then use separate pieces to go from there to the trailing edge. The second method seems to be the best plan, but I am not 100% sure if the ply will wrap around the leading edge without breaking even if it is soaked. Comments? If I recall correctly when plywood is used for the leading edge on the outboard wings it is something thinner than 1/16". Correct? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:37 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge Brian You can definetly bend the plywood after wetting. That is the way did it, although I didnt submerge the plywood. I covered the plwood with a wet towel and slowly bent it around the LE. I used cargo straps covered with saran wrap and kept pulling as the wood was ready to give. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge > > > I am about ready to do the 1/16" plywood skin on my Sky Scout center > section. I have the GN-1 airfoil which has a little bigger radius on the > leading edge, but it still looks to me like a pretty small radius bend for > 1/16" plywood. The GN-1 plans don't give a lot of details and I can't > seem > to locate my Piet plans right now. > > I am thinking two possible methods of doing this. The first one would be > to > do the spruce leading edge and form it for a 1/4" recess top and bottom to > have separate plywood pieces that glue to it, but do not wrap all the way > around the tight nose radius. > > The second method would be to form the leading edge to match the ribs and > wrap a the plywood leading edge piece all the way around it. I think that > I > would need to soak the plywood and wrap it wet then let it dry and form to > the shape to keep from breaking it. If I do this method I will add filler > pieces on the top and bottom of the forward spar and make a leading edge > that only covers halfway back on the spars then use separate pieces to go > from there to the trailing edge. > > The second method seems to be the best plan, but I am not 100% sure if the > ply will wrap around the leading edge without breaking even if it is > soaked. > Comments? > > If I recall correctly when plywood is used for the leading edge on the > outboard wings it is something thinner than 1/16". Correct? > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:29 AM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge Thanks. It is birch with a poplar center three ply. Any preference as to weather the outside plies should be bent accross or along the grain? It is hard to tell which direction the sheet bends easiest because it is a full 4 X 8 sheet now and I don't want to cut it until I know the shape and size of the pieces I am cutting out. I don't have much of the sheet to waste. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge Brian You can definetly bend the plywood after wetting. That is the way did it, although I didnt submerge the plywood. I covered the plwood with a wet towel and slowly bent it around the LE. I used cargo straps covered with saran wrap and kept pulling as the wood was ready to give. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge > > > I am about ready to do the 1/16" plywood skin on my Sky Scout center > section. I have the GN-1 airfoil which has a little bigger radius on the > leading edge, but it still looks to me like a pretty small radius bend for > 1/16" plywood. The GN-1 plans don't give a lot of details and I can't > seem > to locate my Piet plans right now. > > I am thinking two possible methods of doing this. The first one would be > to > do the spruce leading edge and form it for a 1/4" recess top and bottom to > have separate plywood pieces that glue to it, but do not wrap all the way > around the tight nose radius. > > The second method would be to form the leading edge to match the ribs and > wrap a the plywood leading edge piece all the way around it. I think that > I > would need to soak the plywood and wrap it wet then let it dry and form to > the shape to keep from breaking it. If I do this method I will add filler > pieces on the top and bottom of the forward spar and make a leading edge > that only covers halfway back on the spars then use separate pieces to go > from there to the trailing edge. > > The second method seems to be the best plan, but I am not 100% sure if the > ply will wrap around the leading edge without breaking even if it is > soaked. > Comments? > > If I recall correctly when plywood is used for the leading edge on the > outboard wings it is something thinner than 1/16". Correct? > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:16 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge I used Okume plywood on mine. I have never tried bending birch and cant help you there. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge > > > Thanks. It is birch with a poplar center three ply. Any preference as to > weather the outside plies should be bent accross or along the grain? It > is > hard to tell which direction the sheet bends easiest because it is a full > 4 > X 8 sheet now and I don't want to cut it until I know the shape and size > of > the pieces I am cutting out. I don't have much of the sheet to waste. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick > Navratil > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge > > > > > Brian > You can definetly bend the plywood after wetting. That is the way did > it, > although I didnt submerge the plywood. I covered the plwood with a wet > towel and slowly bent it around the LE. I used cargo straps covered with > saran wrap and kept pulling as the wood was ready to give. > Dick N. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Kraut" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:28 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge > > >> >> >> I am about ready to do the 1/16" plywood skin on my Sky Scout center >> section. I have the GN-1 airfoil which has a little bigger radius on the >> leading edge, but it still looks to me like a pretty small radius bend >> for >> 1/16" plywood. The GN-1 plans don't give a lot of details and I can't >> seem >> to locate my Piet plans right now. >> >> I am thinking two possible methods of doing this. The first one would be >> to >> do the spruce leading edge and form it for a 1/4" recess top and bottom >> to >> have separate plywood pieces that glue to it, but do not wrap all the way >> around the tight nose radius. >> >> The second method would be to form the leading edge to match the ribs and >> wrap a the plywood leading edge piece all the way around it. I think >> that >> I >> would need to soak the plywood and wrap it wet then let it dry and form >> to >> the shape to keep from breaking it. If I do this method I will add >> filler >> pieces on the top and bottom of the forward spar and make a leading edge >> that only covers halfway back on the spars then use separate pieces to go >> from there to the trailing edge. >> >> The second method seems to be the best plan, but I am not 100% sure if >> the >> ply will wrap around the leading edge without breaking even if it is >> soaked. >> Comments? >> >> If I recall correctly when plywood is used for the leading edge on the >> outboard wings it is something thinner than 1/16". Correct? >> >> Brian Kraut >> Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >> www.engalt.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:30 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge I used 1/16 birch with no problem. Apply with the outside grain parallel with the wingspan. I made a little recessed edge with my router all along the leading edge. Glued w/T-88 all along the L.E. and stayed with it nailing it down little by little into a bed of T-88. No problem to do it dry with no water or steaming. Came out beautiful. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:51 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge Brian, When I bent the leading edge pieces for my Jungster I layed a bunch of towels over the piece I was bending and dumped boiling water on them repedly to keep them hot and wet. As it softened I wraped it around a piece of 1.5 inch pipe and clamped it there. Let it sit a couple of dayes untill it is completly dry, then unclamp and check it out. I bent mine with the grain (parallel) . This I believe makes the wing stronger with respect to bending loads on the spars, when grain of ply runs root to tip. Shad --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:54 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge From: "Phillips, Jack" That's what I did as well. No plywood on the bottom, and on the top it just covered the ribs back to the spar and stopped with a slight overlap in the rabbet I cut in the leading edge. I used spruce nailing strips (per Tony Bingelis) and waxed paper to hold it down while the T-88 cured. No water required. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge I used 1/16 birch with no problem. Apply with the outside grain parallel with the wingspan. I made a little recessed edge with my router all along the leading edge. Glued w/T-88 all along the L.E. and stayed with it nailing it down little by little into a bed of T-88. No problem to do it dry with no water or steaming. Came out beautiful. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:58 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge It was not very clear on the GN-1 plans, but I did just find something stating what you say. It is a little baffeling to me why you would use aluminum or ply on the outboard wing leading edges and not do it on the center section. You might not need the strength since the spars in that area ar so much more substantial and the loading on the center section is very low, but I still want the ply there to keep the correct shape where the covering goes over and resistance to objects hitting the leading edge and ripping the covering, not to mention the appearance looking the same on the center section vs. the outboard wings. One other concern for me is that the top center section will have no ply between the spars other than about three inches on each side and a screwed on aluminum cover for the fuel tank so a little extra strength from covering the leading and trailing edge will help. I am doing the plywood on the area aft of the spar to give it strength when people grab it getting in and out and bang their heads on it. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:46 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge I don't know what the plans look like for the GN!, but why are you (and others) putting the ply all the way around the leading edge? It is only called for on the top, from the leading edge back to the spar. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood leading edge I am about ready to do the 1/16" plywood skin on my Sky Scout center section. I have the GN-1 airfoil which has a little bigger radius on the leading edge, but it still looks to me like a pretty small radius bend for 1/16" plywood. The GN-1 plans don't give a lot of details and I can't seem to locate my Piet plans right now. I am thinking two possible methods of doing this. The first one would be to do the spruce leading edge and form it for a 1/4" recess top and bottom to have separate plywood pieces that glue to it, but do not wrap all the way around the tight nose radius. The second method would be to form the leading edge to match the ribs and wrap a the plywood leading edge piece all the way around it. I think that I would need to soak the plywood and wrap it wet then let it dry and form to the shape to keep from breaking it. If I do this method I will add filler pieces on the top and bottom of the forward spar and make a leading edge that only covers halfway back on the spars then use separate pieces to go from there to the trailing edge. The second method seems to be the best plan, but I am not 100% sure if the ply will wrap around the leading edge without breaking even if it is soaked. Comments? If I recall correctly when plywood is used for the leading edge on the outboard wings it is something thinner than 1/16". Correct? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. http://www.matp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:30 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: love to post this pic Taken a few years ago, by my photographer friend in the front seat. Landing on runway 24, over the lake Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:58 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios I've been putting off buying a radio forever. I know legally I don't need it. But more and more, I've been haveing confrontations in the pattern with people who don't see me, and assume everyone has a radio. Guess it's the new generation. Anyway,,,flying the piet with David Clark headsets, with an intercom unit that will accept a radio input. Any suggestions on a "hand held" that's SIMPLE to use, that I can plug into that?. My main need is to switch channels easily, for unicom radio talk. And hopefully can talk and hear in the wind. Thanks Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios From: hvandervoo@aol.com Walt, I have good success with a ICOM A 6 and David Clark headset Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: walt evans Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 3:55 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios I've been putting off buying a radio forever. I know legally I don't need it. But more and more, I've been haveing confrontations in the pattern with people who don't see me, and assume everyone has a radio. Guess it's the new generation. Anyway,,,flying the piet with David Clark headsets, with an intercom unit that will accept a radio input. Any suggestions on a "hand held" that's SIMPLE to use, that I can plug into that?. My main need is to switch channels easily, for unicom radio talk. And hopefully can talk and hear in the wind. Thanks Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:58 PM PST US From: Eric Williams Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios Walt, I use the David Clark H10-13.4 headset. A few years ago I bought a Vertex VXA 300 Pilot III handheld radio. I really liked it initially in my ground tests but... when I hooked it up to my headset I had a lot of trouble with it (weird whine noise). It worked fine with another one I had (D Clark - other model) but not very well with my new 13.4 headset. Also, when flying with it, static was busting through the squelch much of t he time. I could 90% solve that by changing a bunch of settings but it was n't very convenient. I called Vertex support and David Clark support and while they tried to be helpful, nothing got solved. If I had to do it over again I would buy an I com. Eric enpol-List: need advice on radiosTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com I've been putting off buying a radio forever. I know legally I don't need i t. But more and more, I've been haveing confrontations in the pattern with people who don't see me, and assume everyone has a radio. Guess it's the ne w generation. Anyway,,,flying the piet with David Clark headsets, with an intercom unit t hat will accept a radio input. Any suggestions on a "hand held" that's SIMPLE to use, that I can plug into that?. My main need is to switch channels easily, for unicom radio talk. And hope fully can talk and hear in the wind. Thanks Walt EvansNX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:08 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios Walt, I also use the Icom A6 with good results. Have a look at HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0393_JPG.jpg"http://www .cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0393_JPG.jpg for some installation pictures. I have mounted the ground plan antenna behind the seat inside the fuse. Not an option for a completed airplane. I have since purchased a PA200 intercom (HYPERLINK "http://www.fly-bluesky.com/intercoms.htm"http://www.fly-bluesky.com/interco ms.htm) which works beautifully. I occasionally have to duck my head down behind the windscreen to get out of the wind noise when going very fast!!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 6:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios I've been putting off buying a radio forever. I know legally I don't need it. But more and more, I've been haveing confrontations in the pattern with people who don't see me, and assume everyone has a radio. Guess it's the new generation. Anyway,,,flying the piet with David Clark headsets, with an intercom unit that will accept a radio input. Any suggestions on a "hand held" that's SIMPLE to use, that I can plug into that?. My main need is to switch channels easily, for unicom radio talk. And hopefully can talk and hear in the wind. Thanks Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" Checked by AVG. 3:01 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:57 PM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: harley rims I've seen it mentioned on the list (primarily by Dick Navratril) that 21" harley rims can be used from late model harleys. I know it's recommended to use the 1" axle size, presumably because bearing replacements can be had for that and it's a larger axle to take the load. What I'm wondering is, if the 3/4 axle units could be used with a bronze bushing in place of a bearing. Also wondering if a 16" or 19" rim would work. There's lots of pairs of 16" rims available but the 21" 1 axle rims are harder to find. Tom B. _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find singles for dating, romance and fun. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijm1iNMGJJu1fhJzPsdISkq3EH8agYBfHZPUYZibdym37AOf8/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:35 PM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: love to post this pic What a picture Walt, it's what dreams are made of. Where was that at?? Ryan walt evans wrote: Taken a few years ago, by my photographer friend in the front seat. Landing on runway 24, over the lake Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine Piet questions From: "iowaboy" Hi all you Pietenpol Aircamper experts, I am considering building an Air Camper and powering it with a Model A Ford engine. I have a few questions. 1. I am 5 ft 9 in tall and weigh 235 lbs. Is the A enough power to take me and a passenger on a safe flight?? 2. How many hours does the Model A go before it needs overhauled again? 3. Because of my size do you have any suggestions about which fuselage to build? Thanks Mike in Iowa -------- Serve the Lord with gladness, Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178319#178319 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:24 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: harley rims Tom, Are you planning to make up your own hubs? If yes, here are a few things Dale Johnson and I discovered............ 19" rims work well. 18" rims are very common. 36 spoke rims are much more common than 40 spoke rims. Steel rims and aluminum rims weigh about the same. Aquire the rims BEFORE you build the hubs so you can build the hubs to suit the rims instead of being locked into locating specific rims. One final comment, the Jenny style gear exponentially increases the "ramp appeal" of a Pietenpol. With wooden gear legs and wire spoked wheels, every camera is raised to take your picture as you taxi past a group of people at a fly-in. Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy, Dick Navratil, Peter Johnson and others all know what I'm talking about. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: harley rims > > > I've seen it mentioned on the list (primarily by Dick Navratril) that 21" > harley rims can be used from late model harleys. I know it's recommended > to use the 1" axle size, presumably because bearing replacements can be > had for that and it's a larger axle to take the load. What I'm wondering > is, if the 3/4 axle units could be used with a bronze bushing in place of > a bearing. Also wondering if a 16" or 19" rim would work. There's lots > of pairs of 16" rims available but the 21" 1 axle rims are harder to find. > > Tom B. > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find singles for dating, romance and fun. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijm1iNMGJJu1fhJzPsdISkq3EH8agYBfHZPUYZibdym37AOf8/ > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:36 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: love to post this pic A few years ago, taken by a photographer friend of mine, who rode in the front, and snapped that glorious pic, one quiet morn comming in over the lake at Newton airport NJ. (jump airport) Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: love to post this pic What a picture Walt, it's what dreams are made of. Where was that at?? Ryan walt evans wrote: Taken a few years ago, by my photographer friend in the front seat. Landing on runway 24, over the lake Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Be a better friend, newshound, and ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios From: nypnx211@charter.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: hvandervoo@aol.com To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios Walt, I have good success with a ICOM A 6 and David Clark headset Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: walt evans Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 3:55 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: need advice on radios I've been putting off buying a radio forever. I know legally I don't need it. But more and more, I've been haveing confrontations in the pattern with people who don't see me, and assume everyone has a radio. Guess it's the new generation. Anyway,,,flying the piet with David Clark headsets, with an intercom unit that will accept a radio input. Any suggestions on a "hand held" that's SIMPLE to use, that I can plug into that?. My main need is to switch channels easily, for unicom radio talk. And hopefully can talk and hear in the wind. Thanks Walt Evans NX140DL "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.