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1. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: Corvair update (airlion@bellsouth.net)
2. 10:58 AM - Is it worth it? (Milt Atkinson)
3. 11:20 AM - Re: Is it worth it? (TOM STINEMETZE)
4. 11:22 AM - Re: Is it worth it? (Gary Boothe)
5. 11:26 AM - Re: Is it worth it? (Glenn Thomas)
6. 11:35 AM - Re: Is it worth it? (Bill Church)
7. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Is it worth it? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
8. 11:40 AM - Re: Is it worth it? (hvandervoo@aol.com)
9. 12:08 PM - Re: Is it worth it? (Tim Willis)
10. 02:02 PM - Re: Is it worth it? (Bob Hassel)
11. 02:44 PM - Re: Is it worth it? (Eric Williams)
12. 04:20 PM - Flying Music (Tim Verthein)
13. 07:14 PM - Re: Is it worth it? (Rick Holland)
14. 09:07 PM - Re: Is it worth it? (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
15. 09:20 PM - Re: Is it worth it? probably not (shad bell)
16. 11:42 PM - Re: Flying Music (Clif Dawson)
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I have located a 64 Corvair engine in a salvage yard and bought it for a
reasonable price. Is the "FlyCorvair" conversion manual for about $60 worth
the money? Will it tell me from A to Z how to convert this salvaged engine
into a viable\reliable engine for the Air Camper I plan on building?
Or
Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the necessary
quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
Milt Atkinson
(Dallas TX area)
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> Or, Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the
necessary quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
Milt:
As William Wynne says in the manual, "If you can build an airplane, you
can convert a Corvair engine." The real advantage to building your own is
that you will know how to maintain it (and fix it if necessary) without
having to pay someone else to do it. You will also know who to blame if
you decide to do something cheap instead of doing it right. If you hire
the job out, you'd better have a pretty good expectation of the builder's
reputation and competence.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, Kansas
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Milt,
Do you enjoy working with engines? Or learning new things? Or are you a
die-hard doityerselfer?
If "Yes" to any of those, FLYCORVAIR.COM is a perfect answer. WW tells you
what additional resource material you will need, and how to complete the
entire project. He expects that some people will prefer to buy some of what
he has to offer, some will prefer to buy locally, some will prefer to make,
with their own skills, anything possible. He offers whatever level of
service you require.
Just plan ahead and don't be in a big hurry. You will not find an individual
more committed to Corvairs and aviation.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pientenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(8 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milt
Atkinson
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth it?
I have located a 64 Corvair engine in a salvage yard and bought it for a
reasonable price. Is the "FlyCorvair" conversion manual for about $60 worth
the money? Will it tell me from A to Z how to convert this salvaged engine
into a viable\reliable engine for the Air Camper I plan on building?
Or
Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the necessary
quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
Milt Atkinson
(Dallas TX area)
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| Subject: | Re: Is it worth it? |
The manual gives a lot of good information and the reasoning and research behind
some of the products they offer. It does a good job of explaining the whole
rebuild. It also lists out serial numbers identifying engines that are suitable
for the rebuild process. Some are not. For instance I know my 2 engines have
a serial number that begins with RH which according to WW is a suitable core
for the rebuild. There are others. I think if you are serious about doing
the Corvair, the 60 bucks for something this important is insignficant. Worth
the money in my opinion.
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Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179173#179173
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Well, Milt, I guess it depends how you define "worth the money".
If it saves you one hour of sub-contracted machine shop labour (and I have
no doubt that it would do that), there's your $60.
If it helps you to avoid buying an unsuitable core engine, there's your $60
a few times over.
If it provides you with several hours of entertaining reading and dreaming,
that could be your $60, too.
Does the manual explain every step and every process in detail? No. The
manual would need to be a few thousand pages to do all that.
William Wynne has developed and written the manual to allow the average
person to build an economical, reliable motor for their homebuilt aircraft.
It is written in plain English that is easy to understand. I bought the
manual, and have yet to begin ANY work on a motor (haven't even looked for a
core yet), and I think it's "worth it".
Bill C.
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In addition to what others have said, you may need a part that he has
available. In order to purchase that part, I think he requires you to sign off
a
liability waiver. I believe the waiver is a page in the catalog. It may be
available separately though. Honestly though, there's a wealth of info available
here, and it definitely is one of the cheapest expenses you will have....I
recommend buying it.
Boyce
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Milt,
Yes, the manual is help full and worth every penny.
But, the Corvair conversion is not quick and easy. I would like to
compare it to a plans build airplane like the Pietenpol.
The Corvair conversion is a Plans / home build exercise that is not for
everyone, here is no real Kit (A-Z) conversion package available
I recommend you get the manual and make up your own mind.
Don't just use anyone to rebuild / convert the Corvair either, It will
be your life up there (not theirs)
Regards
Hans
NX 15KV, corvair powered
-----Original Message-----
From: Milt Atkinson <miltatkinson@verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth it?
I have located a 64 Corvair engine in a salvage yard and bought it for
a reasonable price. Is the FlyCorvair conversion manual for about $60
worth the money? Will it tell me from A to Z how to convert this
salvaged engine into a viable\reliable engine for the Air Camper I plan
on building?
Or
Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the
necessary quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
Milt Atkinson
(Dallas TX area)
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| Subject: | Re: Is it worth it? |
Milt,
All are giving you good advice, and their details are right, too, IMO, from what
I have read. Don't start a Corvair rebuild without the WW manual. However,
the core and the manual may just comprise your starting point for needed technique.
The WW Corvair manual states outright that you will also need the GM technical
manual on the Corvair engine, and gives the manual number. The GM technical manual
is tryly step-by-step, and still is not quite as explicit as might be needed
unless you are familiar with Corvair engines at the outset. WW also sells
videos that show how to do each of several portions of the selection, rebuild,
etc.
If you are the sort that picks your teeth with a camshaft, you may not need some
of this documentation, but it is all cheap relative to the cost of parts, doing
it wrong the first time, or a bad rebuild, with your butt on the line in the
air-- or worse, just barely ("sputtt") in the air.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Milt Atkinson <miltatkinson@verizon.net>
>Sent: Apr 25, 2008 1:54 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth it?
>
>I have located a 64 Corvair engine in a salvage yard and bought it for a
>reasonable price. Is the "FlyCorvair" conversion manual for about $60 worth
>the money? Will it tell me from A to Z how to convert this salvaged engine
>into a viable\reliable engine for the Air Camper I plan on building?
>
>
>
>Or
>
>
>
>Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the necessary
>quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
>
>
>
>Milt Atkinson
>
>(Dallas TX area)
>
>
>
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Another consideration is the manual gives you enough info to determine
whether or nor you want to build one yourself or have it done. That by
itself is worth the $60. Plus if you have it done you'll also know what it
really takes to do it correctly. Cheap insurance either way.
Bob
Santa Fe, NM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth it?
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Milt,
All are giving you good advice, and their details are right, too, IMO, from
what I have read. Don't start a Corvair rebuild without the WW manual.
However, the core and the manual may just comprise your starting point for
needed technique.
The WW Corvair manual states outright that you will also need the GM
technical manual on the Corvair engine, and gives the manual number. The GM
technical manual is tryly step-by-step, and still is not quite as explicit
as might be needed unless you are familiar with Corvair engines at the
outset. WW also sells videos that show how to do each of several portions
of the selection, rebuild, etc.
If you are the sort that picks your teeth with a camshaft, you may not need
some of this documentation, but it is all cheap relative to the cost of
parts, doing it wrong the first time, or a bad rebuild, with your butt on
the line in the air-- or worse, just barely ("sputtt") in the air.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Milt Atkinson <miltatkinson@verizon.net>
>Sent: Apr 25, 2008 1:54 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth it?
>
>I have located a 64 Corvair engine in a salvage yard and bought it for a
>reasonable price. Is the "FlyCorvair" conversion manual for about $60 worth
>the money? Will it tell me from A to Z how to convert this salvaged engine
>into a viable\reliable engine for the Air Camper I plan on building?
>
>
>
>Or
>
>
>
>Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the necessary
>quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
>
>
>
>Milt Atkinson
>
>(Dallas TX area)
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
6:32 PM
Checked by AVG.
6:32 PM
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The manual is definitely worth it no matter what route you choose. Here:
http://www.flywithgus.com/page2.htmlis a guy (Gus) who used to work with Wy
nne and still does to some degree. Click on the "FlyCorvair Installs" butt
on on his website for more info on engine help.
There is another guy, Kevin, who used to be with WW and supposedly builds a
real good Corvair. I'm sure Gus could work out the details if you don't w
ant to tackle the job yourself.
Eric
Pietenpol-List: Is it worth it?To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
I have located a 64 Corvair engine in a salvage yard and bought it for a re
asonable price. Is the =93FlyCorvair=94 conversion manual for about $60 wor
th the money? Will it tell me from A to Z how to convert this salvaged engi
ne into a viable\reliable engine for the Air Camper I plan on building?
Or
Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the necessary
quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
Milt Atkinson
(Dallas TX area)
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Hi all-
Just trying to get in a flying state of mind. Sitting here in Northern Minnesota,
it's nearly May, and we're expecting 11-15 inches of SNOW by tomorrow morning
(third weekend out of the last 4 with more than a foot of snow) I dug out
my Dad's Oscar Brand records about flying. I then remembered that a couple years
ago I converted them to mp3's and uploaded the to my web server. So, if you
have the desire to hear some fun, polite flying songs if you follow this link
you'll go to a directory of the tunes and you can download and save the mp3s.
And for those of you who fear I'm pirating music--if you find a legitimate source
to buy these songs, let me know. You can sometimes find a collection with
a couple of them, but not all.
Tim in Bovey
http://www.edselmotors.com/oscarbrand/
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| Subject: | Re: Is it worth it? |
Agree with everyone here, big mistake to try a Corvair conversion without WW
manual (would also recommend his 601 Corvair manual, I have used a lot of
info from it in my Pietenpol install, its a lot like the Bingelis Firewall
Forward book for Corvair). By the way the guy that works with WW building
ready to install engines charges $8900 minus carb and intake. Still way
under a Rotax or Jabaru.
Rick
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Eric Williams <ewilliams805@msn.com> wrote:
> The manual is definitely worth it no matter what route you choose. Here:
> http://www.flywithgus.com/page2.html
> is a guy (Gus) who used to work with Wynne and still does to some degree.
> Click on the "FlyCorvair Installs" button on his website for more info on
> engine help.
>
> There is another guy, Kevin, who used to be with WW and supposedly builds
> a real good Corvair. I'm sure Gus could work out the details if you don't
> want to tackle the job yourself.
>
> Eric
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:54:56 -0500
> From: miltatkinson@verizon.net
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth it?
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> I have located a 64 Corvair engine in a salvage yard and bought it for a
> reasonable price. Is the "FlyCorvair" conversion manual for about $60 worth
> the money? Will it tell me from A to Z how to convert this salvaged engine
> into a viable\reliable engine for the Air Camper I plan on building?
>
>
> Or
>
>
> Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the necessary
> quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
>
>
> Milt Atkinson
>
> (Dallas TX area)
>
>
> *
>
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> p://forums.matronics.com
> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Hey Tim,
Toothpick with a camshaft?......pretty good!
Village idiot..
Ken H.
Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> wrote:
Milt,
All are giving you good advice, and their details are right, too, IMO, from what
I have read. Don't start a Corvair rebuild without the WW manual. However, the
core and the manual may just comprise your starting point for needed technique.
The WW Corvair manual states outright that you will also need the GM technical
manual on the Corvair engine, and gives the manual number. The GM technical manual
is tryly step-by-step, and still is not quite as explicit as might be needed
unless you are familiar with Corvair engines at the outset. WW also sells
videos that show how to do each of several portions of the selection, rebuild,
etc.
If you are the sort that picks your teeth with a camshaft, you may not need some
of this documentation, but it is all cheap relative to the cost of parts, doing
it wrong the first time, or a bad rebuild, with your butt on the line in the
air-- or worse, just barely ("sputtt") in the air.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Milt Atkinson
>Sent: Apr 25, 2008 1:54 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it worth it?
>
>I have located a 64 Corvair engine in a salvage yard and bought it for a
>reasonable price. Is the "FlyCorvair" conversion manual for about $60 worth
>the money? Will it tell me from A to Z how to convert this salvaged engine
>into a viable\reliable engine for the Air Camper I plan on building?
>
>
>
>Or
>
>
>
>Should I ship the core off to someone who will rebuild it to the necessary
>quality to make it a viable\reliable engine?
>
>
>
>Milt Atkinson
>
>(Dallas TX area)
>
>
>
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Is it worth it? probably not |
Dad started with a 64 corvair, now every thing but the cam has been changed to
a 65-69. We rebuilt the 64 twice after the crank broke. Cause of crank failure:
detonation. Cause of detonation: leaking heads. (2nd rebuild was a burt piston,
leaking heads again, same heads as 1st rebuild) The 1965-1969 heads look
a little "beefier". Also the cylinders on the 1964 are only usable with 1964
heads. The 1965-1969 cylinders and heads I believe are all interchangable.
If you buy it get 65 or later heads and cylinders. Also get a good nitrided
crank, with generous radius on the journals. Feel free to ask about our misfortunes,
trials and tribulations with our corvair. After getting the 65 cylinders
and heads it runs like a top. Hope this helps.
Shad
NX92GB
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Music |
http://www.oscarbrand.com/
Direct from the source - and bloody expensive too!
Clif
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Music
> <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi all-
> Just trying to get in a flying state of mind. Sitting here in Northern
> Minnesota, it's nearly May, and we're expecting 11-15 inches of SNOW by
> tomorrow morning (third weekend out of the last 4 with more than a foot of
> snow) I dug out my Dad's Oscar Brand records about flying. And for those
> of you who fear I'm pirating music--if you find a legitimate source to buy
> these songs, let me know. You can sometimes find a collection with a
> couple of them, but not all.
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
> http://www.edselmotors.com/oscarbrand/
>
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