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1. 12:50 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/27/08 (Graham & Robin Hewitt)
2. 04:53 AM - model A at altitude (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/27/08 (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/27/08 (John Woods)
5. 07:03 AM - Hand prop a Corvair? (Robert Butsch)
6. 07:12 AM - Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Ryan Mueller)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (Pietn38b)
8. 07:57 AM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Michael Groah)
9. 07:57 AM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (Michael Silvius)
10. 08:02 AM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Scott Schreiber)
11. 08:23 AM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (Rick Holland)
12. 08:25 AM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Skip Gadd)
13. 08:31 AM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Glenn Thomas)
14. 08:39 AM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
15. 08:41 AM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
16. 09:01 AM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
17. 09:11 AM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Isablcorky@aol.com)
18. 09:15 AM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (Rick Holland)
19. 09:24 AM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Phillips, Jack)
20. 09:44 AM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (Robert Butsch)
21. 12:48 PM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (Rick Holland)
22. 01:28 PM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Ryan Mueller)
23. 02:51 PM - Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
24. 02:55 PM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
25. 02:55 PM - vertical fin offset (Gene Rambo)
26. 03:22 PM - Re: vertical fin offset (walt evans)
27. 05:34 PM - Re: vertical fin offset (gcardinal)
28. 06:24 PM - Re: vertical fin offset (Gene Rambo)
29. 06:48 PM - Re: vertical fin offset (Pastor Mike Townsley)
30. 08:05 PM - Re: vertical fin offset (gcardinal)
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| Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/27/08 |
Re Franklin PZL engines.
I emailed, Faxed & phoned them then sent a registered letter.
I then found out that they no longer exist.
A pity that such a glowing Web site has not been closed
Regards Graham now finished my first wing.
Checked by AVG.
27/04/2008 9:39 AM
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| Subject: | model A at altitude |
The strongest, reliably built Model A's seem to put out between 60 and
70hp on the ground.
The best thing one can possibly do is to BUILD IN LIGHTNESS at every
possible opportunity and leave out absolutely everything that is
optional.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/27/08 |
The concept held such promise, what a shame.
John
------Original Message------
From: Graham & Robin Hewitt
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Apr 28, 2008 2:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/27/08
Re Franklin PZL engines.
I emailed, Faxed & phoned them then sent a registered letter.
I then found out that they no longer exist.
A pity that such a glowing Web site has not been closed
Regards Graham now finished my first wing.
Checked by AVG.
27/04/2008 9:39 AM
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/27/08 |
I believe these engines are now produced in Poland.
See this link...
http://www.franklin.ioi.pl/
JohnW
John Recine wrote:
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> The concept held such promise, what a shame.
>
> John
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> From: Graham & Robin Hewitt
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> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Apr 28, 2008 2:46 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/27/08
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> Re Franklin PZL engines.
>
> I emailed, Faxed & phoned them then sent a registered letter.
> I then found out that they no longer exist.
> A pity that such a glowing Web site has not been closed
>
> Regards Graham now finished my first wing.
>
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> Checked by AVG.
> 27/04/2008 9:39 AM
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| Subject: | Hand prop a Corvair? |
Fellow Air Campers:
This may or may not be a new topic. I am going to be building up a Corvair engine
for my Air Camper and have William Wynne's manual. He states that he is not
very fond of building up an engine without a starter and alternator, battery
etc.
My question to all of you who have experience with the Corvair aircraft engine
is this; Can you hand prop that engine without too much effort?
After adding up some of the weights, I'm leaning heavily towards not installing
a starter, alternator, battery system etc.
I flew a Volksplane for many hours and always hand proped the engine. But then
again it was only a four banger and lower compression.
What do you think? Especially anyone who is currently hand starting a Corvair.
Thanks.
Bob Butsch
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Robert Butsch EAA 66532
Pietenpol NX45BB (Alpha stage)
In Indy IN
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| Subject: | Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
Good morning,
I wanted to what others experiences were regarding worktables. We're going to be
setting up one bay of a two car garage with tables so we can begin laying out
the fuselage. I found a page at the EAA Chapter 1000 site detailing their worktable
design:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/tablefig.htm
They went with 2'X5' tables, and then they clamp them together as needed. Since
we would need at least three of those end to end for length and would need to
build it slightly wider than 2', I thought we would scale up their basic design.
I'm thinking two tables, 30" to 36" wide and 8 feet long. Two tables versus
three decrease the potential for leveling/alignment issues, but would still
be easier to move around than one long 15' to 16' table. Any suggestions?
I also pretty much finished the rib jig this weekend. Very excited about that.
I hope to get a couple ribs done this week! The crankshaft is out being machined
and nitrided, and the Stromberg just went out for overhaul. Feels good to be
making a bit of progress.
Have a good one,
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Hand prop a Corvair? |
Bob
I have been hand proping a corvair for over twenty years without any problems but
I must admit that as I get older and in cosideration of safety, I sure do enjoy
the starter I just installed on one of my planes. I think my other plane
will get one soon. Jim
In a message dated 04/28/08 09:03:58 Central Daylight Time, rbutsch@comcast.net
writes:
Fellow Air Campers:
This may or may not be a new topic. I am going to be building up a Corvair engine
for my Air Camper and have William Wynne's manual. He states that he is not
very fond of building up an engine without a starter and alternator, battery
etc.
My question to all of you who have experience with the Corvair aircraft engine
is this; Can you hand prop that engine without too much effort?
After adding up some of the weights, I'm leaning heavily towards not installing
a starter, alternator, battery system etc.
I flew a Volksplane for many hours and always hand proped the engine. But then
again it was only a four banger and lower compression.
What do you think? Especially anyone who is currently hand starting a Corvair.
Thanks.
Bob Butsch
--------
Robert Butsch EAA 66532
Pietenpol NX45BB (Alpha stage)
In Indy IN
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| Subject: | Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
I made mine with two panels joined together to make a 30" by 16' table. It screwed
together and when I was done using it I unscrewed it and stored it for use
later on. It worked fine for me.
Good morning,
I wanted to what others experiences were regarding worktables. We're going to be
setting up one bay of a two car garage with tables so we can begin laying out
the fuselage. I found a page at the EAA Chapter 1000 site detailing their worktable
design:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/tablefig.htm
They went with 2'X5' tables, and then they clamp them together as needed. Since
we would need at least three of those end to end for length and would need to
build it slightly wider than 2', I thought we would scale up their basic design.
I'm thinking two tables, 30" to 36" wide and 8 feet long. Two tables versus
three decrease the potential for leveling/alignment issues, but would still
be easier to move around than one long 15' to 16' table. Any suggestions?
I also pretty much finished the rib jig this weekend. Very excited about that.
I hope to get a couple ribs done this week! The crankshaft is out being machined
and nitrided, and the Stromberg just went out for overhaul. Feels good to be
making a bit of progress.
Have a good one,
Ryan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179805#179805
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| Subject: | Re: Hand prop a Corvair? |
Robert:
If you are using a Corvair you sill need at the very least a dynamo or
alternator and a battery. Something has to provide the juice for the
sparkplugs. Most folks use the permanent magnet generators of John Deere
tractors or the Kubota units of the same manufacturer, like this:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html
A battery in this application is an essential item, since you don't have
dual plugs and mags some level of redundancy is accomplished via dual
points, dual coils with a switcher and the battery as the engine will run on
the battery for about 45 minutes if using points ignition VS ECU electronics
that are sensitive to low voltage levels.
Otherwise you will need to figure out how to rig up a magneto. I am not
sure anyone has gone this way. Magnetos are occasionally available from
after market racing sources for the Corvair at quite high prices and it
typically is a unit that slips in place of the distributor but they are
about 12 inches tall (fit in the car ok) but rather tall for our use. These
aftermarket mags are made for the drag racing community and as such I
believe they are good for the short hard burst but not intended for extended
continuous use as in an aircraft application. As I understand they were
designed to prevent points bounce at high RPM drag racing.
As for hand propping the corvair I am sure it has been done but it is not
recommended by the experts. The small automotive starters used are not so
bad weightwise. I believe the recommendation is a unit from a Nissan sedan.
If you backtrack through Mark Langford's page linked above I am sure you can
find the details on it. As for weight concerns the Corvair is lighter than
the original Ford model A so keeping some weight up front is not nesesaily a
bad thing especially if building the original short fuselage Piet.
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Butsch" <rbutsch@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand prop a Corvair?
<rbutsch@comcast.net>
>
> Fellow Air Campers:
> This may or may not be a new topic. I am going to be building up a
Corvair engine for my Air Camper and have William Wynne's manual. He states
that he is not very fond of building up an engine without a starter and
alternator, battery etc.
> My question to all of you who have experience with the Corvair aircraft
engine is this; Can you hand prop that engine without too much effort?
> After adding up some of the weights, I'm leaning heavily towards not
installing a starter, alternator, battery system etc.
>
> I flew a Volksplane for many hours and always hand proped the engine. But
then again it was only a four banger and lower compression.
>
> What do you think? Especially anyone who is currently hand starting a
Corvair.
>
> Thanks.
> Bob Butsch
>
> --------
> Robert Butsch EAA 66532
> Pietenpol NX45BB (Alpha stage)
> In Indy IN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179803#179803
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
I did mine by laying the 4x8 MDF directly on the garage floor, since it
lasered nice and flat. Gave a great working surface, no construction time
and your really not using it for long.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done!
> <rmueller23@gmail.com>
>
> Good morning,
>
> I wanted to what others experiences were regarding worktables. We're going
> to be setting up one bay of a two car garage with tables so we can begin
> laying out the fuselage. I found a page at the EAA Chapter 1000 site
> detailing their worktable design:
>
> http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/tablefig.htm
>
> They went with 2'X5' tables, and then they clamp them together as needed.
> Since we would need at least three of those end to end for length and
> would need to build it slightly wider than 2', I thought we would scale up
> their basic design. I'm thinking two tables, 30" to 36" wide and 8 feet
> long. Two tables versus three decrease the potential for
> leveling/alignment issues, but would still be easier to move around than
> one long 15' to 16' table. Any suggestions?
>
> I also pretty much finished the rib jig this weekend. Very excited about
> that. I hope to get a couple ribs done this week! The crankshaft is out
> being machined and nitrided, and the Stromberg just went out for overhaul.
> Feels good to be making a bit of progress.
>
> Have a good one,
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179805#179805
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribjig_535.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hand prop a Corvair? |
Actually the long fuselage Piet will tend to be even more tail heavy with
the rear cockpit back a bit and the tail several inches longer.
Rick
As for weight concerns the Corvair is lighter than
> the original Ford model A so keeping some weight up front is not nesesaily
> a
> bad thing especially if building the original short fuselage Piet.
>
> Michael in Maine
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Butsch" <rbutsch@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand prop a Corvair?
>
>
> <rbutsch@comcast.net>
> >
> > Fellow Air Campers:
> > This may or may not be a new topic. I am going to be building up a
> Corvair engine for my Air Camper and have William Wynne's manual. He
> states
> that he is not very fond of building up an engine without a starter and
> alternator, battery etc.
> > My question to all of you who have experience with the Corvair aircraft
> engine is this; Can you hand prop that engine without too much effort?
> > After adding up some of the weights, I'm leaning heavily towards not
> installing a starter, alternator, battery system etc.
> >
> > I flew a Volksplane for many hours and always hand proped the engine.
> But
> then again it was only a four banger and lower compression.
> >
> > What do you think? Especially anyone who is currently hand starting a
> Corvair.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Bob Butsch
> >
> > --------
> > Robert Butsch EAA 66532
> > Pietenpol NX45BB (Alpha stage)
> > In Indy IN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179803#179803
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
Ryan,
I built two tables 2'X8', that way you can get both out of one piece of
ply. I built the Flying and glider fuselage which is 25" high, so just
screw a piece of 2x4 on the edge where the bottom of the fuse hangs over,
no problem.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/28/2008 10:24:58 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done!
>
<rmueller23@gmail.com>
>
> Good morning,
>
> I wanted to what others experiences were regarding worktables. We're
going to be setting up one bay of a two car garage with tables so we can
begin laying out the fuselage. I found a page at the EAA Chapter 1000 site
detailing their worktable design:
>
> http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/tablefig.htm
>
> They went with 2'X5' tables, and then they clamp them together as needed.
Since we would need at least three of those end to end for length and would
need to build it slightly wider than 2', I thought we would scale up their
basic design. I'm thinking two tables, 30" to 36" wide and 8 feet long. Two
tables versus three decrease the potential for leveling/alignment issues,
but would still be easier to move around than one long 15' to 16' table.
Any suggestions?
>
> I also pretty much finished the rib jig this weekend. Very excited about
that. I hope to get a couple ribs done this week! The crankshaft is out
being machined and nitrided, and the Stromberg just went out for overhaul.
Feels good to be making a bit of progress.
>
> Have a good one,
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179805#179805
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribjig_535.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
Hi,
Here are some links to a table design I came up with that is similar to the EAA
plan but easily adjustable for "not-so-flat" floors, like my sloppily poured
garage. I use MDF for all top surfaces instead of ply because it resists warping.
All you need is 2 metal saw horses (Home Depot, $20.00 each) some 3" x 3/4"
pine and threaded rod. Everything folds up neatly when done.
Less time building tables, more time building airplanes. (Not that that has been
happening lately :(
http://www.flyingwood.com/images/stab2.jpg
http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=2&filter=0
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Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
Hey Michael:
I agree with the rest of the group and can add this: I used MDF boards and cut
the width down to 3' wide thereabouts. I also added wheels to the bottom of
the posts to make it moveable around in my garage. Then I screwed the edges down
all away around and left the center alone. I added levelers to the center of
each section so I could check and readjust to make sure it was level. That way
I could move the table inside and outside during nice weekend days and keeping
the table level.
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
I made mine with two panels joined together to make a 30" by 16' table. It screwed
together and when I was done using it I unscrewed it and stored it for
use later on. It worked fine for me.
Good morning,
I wanted to what others experiences were regarding worktables. We're going to be
setting up one bay of a two car garage with tables so we can begin laying out
the fuselage. I found a page at the EAA Chapter 1000 site detailing their worktable
design:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/tablefig.htm
They went with 2'X5' tables, and then they clamp them together as needed. Since
we would need at least three of those end to end for length and would need to
build it slightly
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Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Hand prop a Corvair? |
Rick,
Hence, I am not too concerned that my custom Header tank weights in at 20 lbs
empty. This will help with weight and balance since I am nearing 270 lbs. Lots
of rear balast!! Better to be nose heavy than tail heavy....Confucius says....
Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually the long fuselage Piet will tend to be even more tail heavy with the rear
cockpit back a bit and the tail several inches longer.
Rick
As for weight concerns the Corvair is lighter than
the original Ford model A so keeping some weight up front is not nesesaily a
bad thing especially if building the original short fuselage Piet.
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Butsch" <rbutsch@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand prop a Corvair?
<rbutsch@comcast.net>
>
> Fellow Air Campers:
> This may or may not be a new topic. I am going to be building up a
Corvair engine for my Air Camper and have William Wynne's manual. He states
that he is not very fond of building up an engine without a starter and
alternator, battery etc.
> My question to all of you who have experience with the Corvair aircraft
engine is this; Can you hand prop that engine without too much effort?
> After adding up some of the weights, I'm leaning heavily towards not
installing a starter, alternator, battery system etc.
>
> I flew a Volksplane for many hours and always hand proped the engine. But
then again it was only a four banger and lower compression.
>
> What do you think? Especially anyone who is currently hand starting a
Corvair.
>
> Thanks.
> Bob Butsch
>
> --------
> Robert Butsch EAA 66532
> Pietenpol NX45BB (Alpha stage)
> In Indy IN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179803#179803
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
As usual I took the path less traveled. I took a hard wood formica topped
library reading table, an old hollow core door, a 4X8 sheet of 5/8 (I think)
particle board./ Leveled the table to the basement floor then joined the door
to it and framed the rest with 2X4 and 4X4 legs and frame to get the full 16
feet then leveled it all and anchored to the basement support columns covered
the entire top surface with the particle board. Deck screws really work well
to hold the entire contraption together so when I fly out of the basement I
can disassemble the bench and get the space back. For the time being its home
to my Piet
Makes for a really strong building platform at the perfect height and cost
me very little to construct, not as sophisticated as many but its been doing
the job quite well
I suppose it really becomes a matter of what you have available to work with
in supplies and space that dictates the bench construction.
John
In a message dated 4/28/2008 11:40:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
Hey Michael:
I agree with the rest of the group and can add this: I used MDF boards and
cut the width down to 3' wide thereabouts. I also added wheels to the bottom
of the posts to make it moveable around in my garage. Then I screwed the edges
down all away around and left the center alone. I added levelers to the
center of each section so I could check and readjust to make sure it was level.
That way I could move the table inside and outside during nice weekend days
and keeping the table level.
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
I made mine with two panels joined together to make a 30" by 16' table. It
screwed together and when I was done using it I unscrewed it and stored it
for use later on. It worked fine for
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In a message dated 4/28/2008 10:40:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
nice weekend days
Am I thinking of the Ken Heide, of Fargo and vicinity, that I know? Didn't
know you had such weather. How many inches were measured yesterday?
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| Subject: | Re: Hand prop a Corvair? |
Wow, what is that made of? Lead plate? What's the capacity?
Rick
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:38 AM, KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Hence, I am not too concerned that my custom Header tank weights in at 20
> lbs empty. This will help with weight and balance since I am nearing 270
> lbs. Lots of rear balast!! Better to be nose heavy than tail
> heavy....Confucius says....
>
>
> *Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> Actually the long fuselage Piet will tend to be even more tail heavy with
> the rear cockpit back a bit and the tail several inches longer.
>
> Rick
>
> As for weight concerns the Corvair is lighter than
> > the original Ford model A so keeping some weight up front is not
> > nesesaily a
> > bad thing especially if building the original short fuselage Piet.
> >
> > Michael in Maine
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Butsch" <rbutsch@comcast.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand prop a Corvair?
> >
> >
> > <rbutsch@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Fellow Air Campers:
> > > This may or may not be a new topic. I am going to be building up a
> > Corvair engine for my Air Camper and have William Wynne's manual. He
> > states
> > that he is not very fond of building up an engine without a starter and
> > alternator, battery etc.
> > > My question to all of you who have experience with the Corvair
> > aircraft
> > engine is this; Can you hand prop that engine without too much effort?
> > > After adding up some of the weights, I'm leaning heavily towards not
> > installing a starter, alternator, battery system etc.
> > >
> > > I flew a Volksplane for many hours and always hand proped the engine.
> > But
> > then again it was only a four banger and lower compression.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Especially anyone who is currently hand starting a
> > Corvair.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Bob Butsch
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Robert Butsch EAA 66532
> > > Pietenpol NX45BB (Alpha stage)
> > > In Indy IN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179803#179803
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> Castle Rock,
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| Subject: | Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
I made mine 36" x 96" x 36" high. Built two of them and bolted them
together to make one 3' x 16' table to build the fuselage on. Once the
fuselage was completed, I separated them and used one for a general
workbench and the other I bolted a bending brake and a riveting C-arm
to. Now that I'm building the wing of my RV-10, I had to build another
one to bolt to the general workbench because I still use the riveting
C-Arm on the original table.
Here is a picture of the workbenches. I don't have any good photos with
the Pietenpol on it, but here is the RV-10 main spar for the right wing,
with a good view of the workbenches:
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done!
<rmueller23@gmail.com>
Good morning,
I wanted to what others experiences were regarding worktables. We're
going to be setting up one bay of a two car garage with tables so we can
begin laying out the fuselage. I found a page at the EAA Chapter 1000
site detailing their worktable design:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/tablefig.htm
They went with 2'X5' tables, and then they clamp them together as
needed. Since we would need at least three of those end to end for
length and would need to build it slightly wider than 2', I thought we
would scale up their basic design. I'm thinking two tables, 30" to 36"
wide and 8 feet long. Two tables versus three decrease the potential for
leveling/alignment issues, but would still be easier to move around than
one long 15' to 16' table. Any suggestions?
I also pretty much finished the rib jig this weekend. Very excited about
that. I hope to get a couple ribs done this week! The crankshaft is out
being machined and nitrided, and the Stromberg just went out for
overhaul. Feels good to be making a bit of progress.
Have a good one,
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Hand prop a Corvair? |
Michael et al:
I guess the starter and starter ring etc. wouldn't add all that much weight
in the end. And then again, at my age perhaps hand propping is not going to
be as much fun as it used to be.
Thanks for the advice.
Bob
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Good exercise though.
do not archive
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Robert Butsch <rbutsch@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
>
> Michael et al:
>
> I guess the starter and starter ring etc. wouldn't add all that much
> weight in the end. And then again, at my age perhaps hand propping is not
> going to be as much fun as it used to be.
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> Bob
>
> Do not archive
>
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Thank you everyone for relaying your thoughts and experiences with your workbenchs.
Plenty of good ideas. It will definitely help us choose what exactly to build
when we head to the garage this weekend.
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! |
Hellooooo Corky,
Yes!... we had snow over the weekend - 12 inches of the stuff! I had to hook
up the snow plow to the ATV and PUSH the snow out of the driveway! Way too late
in the year for this white stuff...
Say Corky, wheres my plane ticket to sunny Louisinanna.....?
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/28/2008 10:40:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
writes:
nice weekend days
Am I thinking of the Ken Heide, of Fargo and vicinity, that I know? Didn't know
you had such weather. How many inches were measured yesterday?
Corky in buuuuuuuutiful La.
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| Subject: | Re: Hand prop a Corvair? |
Rick,
Combination of 5/32 and 1/8 Aluminum...... Capacity of 10-12 gallons?
I need extra weight up front!
Ken H
Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, what is that made of? Lead plate? What's the capacity?
Rick
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:38 AM, KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Rick,
Hence, I am not too concerned that my custom Header tank weights in at 20 lbs
empty. This will help with weight and balance since I am nearing 270 lbs. Lots
of rear balast!! Better to be nose heavy than tail heavy....Confucius says....
Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually the long fuselage Piet will tend to be even more tail heavy with the rear
cockpit back a bit and the tail several inches longer.
Rick
As for weight concerns the Corvair is lighter than
the original Ford model A so keeping some weight up front is not nesesaily a
bad thing especially if building the original short fuselage Piet.
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Butsch" <rbutsch@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hand prop a Corvair?
<rbutsch@comcast.net>
>
> Fellow Air Campers:
> This may or may not be a new topic. I am going to be building up a
Corvair engine for my Air Camper and have William Wynne's manual. He states
that he is not very fond of building up an engine without a starter and
alternator, battery etc.
> My question to all of you who have experience with the Corvair aircraft
engine is this; Can you hand prop that engine without too much effort?
> After adding up some of the weights, I'm leaning heavily towards not
installing a starter, alternator, battery system etc.
>
> I flew a Volksplane for many hours and always hand proped the engine. But
then again it was only a four banger and lower compression.
>
> What do you think? Especially anyone who is currently hand starting a
Corvair.
>
> Thanks.
> Bob Butsch
>
> --------
> Robert Butsch EAA 66532
> Pietenpol NX45BB (Alpha stage)
> In Indy IN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179803#179803
>
>
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Castle Rock,
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| Subject: | vertical fin offset |
OK, I am ready to drill and need to know what everyone has done with the
front of the fin . . . offset it or not????? If you don't, do you end
up having to put a trim tab on the rudder?? (which I DO NOT want to do)
Please help!
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: vertical fin offset |
Gene,
I made mine straight.
On climbout I have to hold right rudder, but once up to altitude, with
throttle back to cruise, I need no rudder.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
OK, I am ready to drill and need to know what everyone has done with
the front of the fin . . . offset it or not????? If you don't, do you
end up having to put a trim tab on the rudder?? (which I DO NOT want to
do)
Please help!
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: vertical fin offset |
Gene,
The LE of the vertical fin on NX18235 is offset about 3/4" and it could
use about 1/8" more.
If you can build the attachment brackets to allow for ground adjustment
you might save some heartburn later.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
OK, I am ready to drill and need to know what everyone has done with
the front of the fin . . . offset it or not????? If you don't, do you
end up having to put a trim tab on the rudder?? (which I DO NOT want to
do)
Please help!
Gene
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I guess it would help to know which engine and fuselage you guys have
before I can make an informed decision. I have the short fuselage and
model A engine, maybe those of you with longer fuselages don't need to
offset???
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
Gene,
I made mine straight.
On climbout I have to hold right rudder, but once up to altitude, with
throttle back to cruise, I need no rudder.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
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To:
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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
OK, I am ready to drill and need to know what everyone has done with
the front of the fin . . . offset it or not????? If you don't, do you
end up having to put a trim tab on the rudder?? (which I DO NOT want to
do)
Please help!
Gene
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Gene,
How big are you and how do you feel about the short fuselage?
I am 5'9" and weight about 230 lbs.
Thanks
Pastor Mike
Gene Rambo wrote:
> I guess it would help to know which engine and fuselage you guys have
> before I can make an informed decision. I have the short fuselage and
> model A engine, maybe those of you with longer fuselages don't need to
> offset???
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* walt evans <mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 6:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
>
> Gene,
> I made mine straight.
> On climbout I have to hold right rudder, but once up to altitude,
> with throttle back to cruise, I need no rudder.
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
>
> "If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gene Rambo <mailto:GeneRambo@msn.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 5:51 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
>
> OK, I am ready to drill and need to know what everyone has
> done with the front of the fin . . . offset it or not????? If
> you don't, do you end up having to put a trim tab on the
> rudder?? (which I DO NOT want to do)
>
> Please help!
>
> Gene
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| Subject: | Re: vertical fin offset |
Good point.
NX18235 is a long fuselage, A-65 powered Air Camper. Engine is offset
about 1" to the right, fin is offset to the left about 3/4" and I need
to hold a little right rudder in cruise. No trim tabs installed or
desired.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
I guess it would help to know which engine and fuselage you guys have
before I can make an informed decision. I have the short fuselage and
model A engine, maybe those of you with longer fuselages don't need to
offset???
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
Gene,
I made mine straight.
On climbout I have to hold right rudder, but once up to altitude,
with throttle back to cruise, I need no rudder.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"If you look for a reason not to,,,You'll find it"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: vertical fin offset
OK, I am ready to drill and need to know what everyone has done
with the front of the fin . . . offset it or not????? If you don't, do
you end up having to put a trim tab on the rudder?? (which I DO NOT want
to do)
Please help!
Gene
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