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1. 12:49 AM - Re: Re: Hot rodding the Model A (Clif Dawson)
2. 05:26 AM - Gusset questions (Ryan Mueller)
3. 06:03 AM - Hot rodding the Model A (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Gusset questions (Rob Hart)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: Gusset questions (Pastor Mike Townsley)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Gusset questions (Rob Hart)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Gusset questions- Jim Wills Wing? (Tim Willis)
8. 08:49 AM - Re: Gusset questions (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
9. 10:06 AM - EAA video clip ()
10. 12:25 PM - Re: Gusset questions (Michael Silvius)
11. 12:32 PM - Re: Hand prop a Corvair? (MikeD)
12. 12:36 PM - Re: Gusset questions (airlion@bellsouth.net)
13. 12:39 PM - Re: Gusset questions (airlion@bellsouth.net)
14. 02:05 PM - Re: Gusset questions (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
15. 06:01 PM - Re: PVC clamps (Richard Schreiber)
16. 07:29 PM - Re: PVC clamps (Kirk Huizenga)
17. 07:53 PM - Re: PVC clamps (Kirk Huizenga)
18. 11:04 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:05 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:46 PM - Re: Gusset questions (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Hot rodding the Model A |
Go here;
http://users.aol.com/gmaclaren/dyno.html
Clif
>
> They bump the rpms up quite considerably but they have a nasty habit of
> reducing the life of the engine as you might have guessed.
>
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| Subject: | Gusset questions |
A couple of questions about the gussets on the wing ribs....
I have the full size rib print, although I didn't use it to layout the jig. I'm
cutting pieces of thin cardboard to match the gussets as shown on the full size
print, and then I'll use those patterns for cutting gussets from the sheet
of 1.5mm birch ply we bought from AS&S. Are there any discrepancies in the gussets
as shown on the full size print?
The top gusset on the rear spar upright is a rather odd shape, insofar as how it
extends down the 45 degree rib member. I wonder if it would be better to just
extend it out to be a full square so it might be a little stronger. Of course,
then I look at it and think that if it needed to be that way then it would
have been drawn that way. :P
Otherwise I think I've found most of the posts on the other things to be careful
of: scuffing the birch before gluing, cut the gussets out so you have vertical
grain orientation. I was thinking of using weights on the gussets and leaving
the rib in the jig overnight to dry. Stapling (and removing the staples later)
sounded good as well, speeding up the process, but I worry about having the
gusset shift when the staple is driven in. Is this a concern?
Thanks for the help,
Ryan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180454#180454
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| Subject: | Hot rodding the Model A |
Pat wrote-
> John Steere has a supercharged Thunderbird Powered BD-4. We wrote about it
> several years ago in CONTACT! Magazine.
Reminds me of a joke. Did you hear the one about the farmer whose wife ran off
with the tractor salesman? She sent him a John Deere letter.
Sorry, guys (and congrats, Jack, on posing your cutie at Udvar-Hazy).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Gusset questions |
Hi Ryan
You echo concerns I had only a week or so ago. I am using the Riblett aero
foil (as are a number of us "Down-Under" Piet builders), and so the gusset
shapes may be a little different.
I cut a full size rib as a template for the capstrips, braces and gussets.
I cut my gussets from 1 3/16" strips of 1.5mm ply. Given 32 ribs, each re
quiring gussets on both sides, I needed 64 gussets at each station. Using
the template gusset as a guide, I stacked 11 strips of ply, and cut 6 gusse
ts from each stack on the bandsaw, giving 66 gussets for each station.
To avoid the need for staples/nails, I made up 20 weight blocks from 1" ste
el bar. Each block is 1 1/2" long, cleaned up on the lathe, and wrapped wi
th plastic tape so it doesn't stick to the gusset. Just place each block o
n the gusset as it is glued, ensuring the gusset doesn't slide. I'm using
West Systems with its proprietary filler, to give a nice thixotropic glue s
imilar to Techniglue but with more control over the viscosity. The blocks
provide sufficient pressure to ensure full surface contact, but avoiding gl
ue-starved joints caused by over-clamping.
When gluing the starboard side gussets, having sanded the capstrips flush,
I used cut sections of 40mm pvc pipe as claps, with the rib raised off the
bench on 1X1" timbers (left over from the mockup I built).
More details, if you're interested, at http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/bui
ldLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1851&PlaneID=503
Cheers
Rob
Piet building in Perth, Western Australia
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gusset questions> From: rmueller23@gmail.com> Da
te: Thu, 1 May 2008 05:24:02 -0700> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > -->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>> >
A couple of questions about the gussets on the wing ribs....> > I have the
full size rib print, although I didn't use it to layout the jig. I'm cutti
ng pieces of thin cardboard to match the gussets as shown on the full size
print, and then I'll use those patterns for cutting gussets from the sheet
of 1.5mm birch ply we bought from AS&S. Are there any discrepancies in the
gussets as shown on the full size print? > > The top gusset on the rear spa
r upright is a rather odd shape, insofar as how it extends down the 45 degr
ee rib member. I wonder if it would be better to just extend it out to be a
full square so it might be a little stronger. Of course, then I look at it
and think that if it needed to be that way then it would have been drawn t
hat way. :P> > Otherwise I think I've found most of the posts on the other
things to be careful of: scuffing the birch before gluing, cut the gussets
out so you have vertical grain orientation. I was thinking of using weights
on the gussets and leaving the rib in the jig overnight to dry. Stapling (
and removing the staples later) sounded good as well, speeding up the proce
ss, but I worry about having the gusset shift when the staple is driven in.
Is this a concern?> > Thanks for the help,> > Ryan> > > > > Read this topi
c online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180454#1804
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| Subject: | Re: Gusset questions |
Rob,
What is the advantages of the Riblett aerofoil ?
Pastor Mike in Iowa
Rob Hart wrote:
> Hi Ryan
>
> You echo concerns I had only a week or so ago. I am using the Riblett
> aerofoil (as are a number of us "Down-Under" Piet builders), and so
> the gusset shapes may be a little different.
>
> I cut a full size rib as a template for the capstrips, braces and
> gussets. I cut my gussets from 1 3/16" strips of 1.5mm ply. Given 32
> ribs, each requiring gussets on both sides, I needed 64 gussets at
> each station. Using the template gusset as a guide, I stacked 11
> strips of ply, and cut 6 gussets from each stack on the bandsaw,
> giving 66 gussets for each station.
>
> To avoid the need for staples/nails, I made up 20 weight blocks from
> 1" steel bar. Each block is 1 1/2" long, cleaned up on the lathe, and
> wrapped with plastic tape so it doesn't stick to the gusset. Just
> place each block on the gusset as it is glued, ensuring the gusset
> doesn't slide. I'm using West Systems with its proprietary filler, to
> give a nice thixotropic glue similar to Techniglue but with more
> control over the viscosity. The blocks provide sufficient pressure to
> ensure full surface contact, but avoiding glue-starved joints caused
> by over-clamping.
>
> When gluing the starboard side gussets, having sanded the capstrips
> flush, I used cut sections of 40mm pvc pipe as claps, with the rib
> raised off the bench on 1X1" timbers (left over from the mockup I built).
>
> More details, if you're interested, at
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1851&PlaneID=503
> <http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1851&PlaneID=503>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Rob
>
> Piet building in Perth, Western Australia
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gusset questions
> > From: rmueller23@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 05:24:02 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> >
> > A couple of questions about the gussets on the wing ribs....
> >
> > I have the full size rib print, although I didn't use it to layout
> the jig. I'm cutting pieces of thin cardboard to match the gussets as
> shown on the full size print, and then I'll use those patterns for
> cutting gussets from the sheet of 1.5mm birch ply we bought from AS&S.
> Are there any discrepancies in the gussets as shown on the full size
> print?
> >
> > The top gusset on the rear spar upright is a rather odd shape,
> insofar as how it extends down the 45 degree rib member. I wonder if
> it would be better to just extend it out to be a full square so it
> might be a little stronger. Of course, then I look at it and think
> that if it needed to be that way then it would have been drawn that
> way. :P
> >
> > Otherwise I think I've found most of the posts on the other things
> to be careful of: scuffing the birch before gluing, cut the gussets
> out so you have vertical grain orientation. I was thinking of using
> weights on the gussets and leaving the rib in the jig overnight to
> dry. Stapling (and removing the staples later) sounded good as well,
> speeding up the process, but I worry about having the gusset shift
> when the staple is driven in. Is this a concern?
> >
> > Thanks for the help,
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180454#180454
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ===
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Gusset questions |
Hi Mike
I'm not the best qualified to comment, but I understand that the Riblett 61
2 profile gives better rate of climb, gentler stall characteristics and is
so close to B Pietenpol's original curve that only the most informed will
be able to notice the difference. There are many more on this list who are
much better able than I to expound the benefits of the Riblett design; I i
nvite them to do so.
The reference coordinates of the various profiles have recently been posted
on the list by a friend and colleague, John Woods, for anyone who is inter
ested in looking at the various options.
At least two of us in Perth are using the Jim Wills wing design, allowing a
n increase in MTOW to 1200#. With the 612 profile this should realise a mo
re versatile aircraft, particularly with 2 up. Incidentally, this is the r
eason why some of us will be covering both top and bottom leading edges, ba
ck to the aft edge of the front spar, with ply. The enclosed D section thi
s creates dramatically increases the strength of the wing, allowing the inc
reased MTOW from the original design.Cheers
Rob
> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:40:56 -0500> From: miket@southslope.net> To: pie
tenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset questions> >
pe.net>> > Rob,> What is the advantages of the Riblett aerofoil ?> Pastor M
ike in Iowa> > Rob Hart wrote:> > Hi Ryan> > > > You echo concerns I had on
ly a week or so ago. I am using the Riblett > > aerofoil (as are a number o
f us "Down-Under" Piet builders), and so > > the gusset shapes may be a lit
tle different.> > > > I cut a full size rib as a template for the capstrips
, braces and > > gussets. I cut my gussets from 1 3/16" strips of 1.5mm ply
. Given 32 > > ribs, each requiring gussets on both sides, I needed 64 guss
ets at > > each station. Using the template gusset as a guide, I stacked 11
> > strips of ply, and cut 6 gussets from each stack on the bandsaw, > > g
iving 66 gussets for each station.> >> > To avoid the need for staples/nail
s, I made up 20 weight blocks from > > 1" steel bar. Each block is 1 1/2" l
ong, cleaned up on the lathe, and > > wrapped with plastic tape so it doesn
't stick to the gusset. Just > > place each block on the gusset as it is gl
ued, ensuring the gusset > > doesn't slide. I'm using West Systems with its
proprietary filler, to > > give a nice thixotropic glue similar to Technig
lue but with more > > control over the viscosity. The blocks provide suffic
ient pressure to > > ensure full surface contact, but avoiding glue-starved
joints caused > > by over-clamping.> > > > When gluing the starboard side
gussets, having sanded the capstrips > > flush, I used cut sections of 40mm
pvc pipe as claps, with the rib > > raised off the bench on 1X1" timbers (
left over from the mockup I built).> > > > More details, if you're interest
ed, at > > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildL
ogID=1851&PlaneID=503 > > <http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogRep
ortDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1851&PlaneID=503>> > > > > > Cheers> > > > Rob
> > > > Piet building in Perth, Western Australia> >> >> >> > > > ---------
---------------------------------------------------------------> >> > > Sub
ject: Pietenpol-List: Gusset questions> > > From: rmueller23@gmail.com> > >
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 05:24:02 -0700> > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
er23@gmail.com>> > >> > > A couple of questions about the gussets on the wi
ng ribs....> > >> > > I have the full size rib print, although I didn't use
it to layout > > the jig. I'm cutting pieces of thin cardboard to match th
e gussets as > > shown on the full size print, and then I'll use those patt
erns for > > cutting gussets from the sheet of 1.5mm birch ply we bought fr
om AS&S. > > Are there any discrepancies in the gussets as shown on the ful
l size > > print?> > >> > > The top gusset on the rear spar upright is a ra
ther odd shape, > > insofar as how it extends down the 45 degree rib member
. I wonder if > > it would be better to just extend it out to be a full squ
are so it > > might be a little stronger. Of course, then I look at it and
think > > that if it needed to be that way then it would have been drawn th
at > > way. :P> > >> > > Otherwise I think I've found most of the posts on
the other things > > to be careful of: scuffing the birch before gluing, cu
t the gussets > > out so you have vertical grain orientation. I was thinkin
g of using > > weights on the gussets and leaving the rib in the jig overni
ght to > > dry. Stapling (and removing the staples later) sounded good as w
ell, > > speeding up the process, but I worry about having the gusset shift
> > when the staple is driven in. Is this a concern?> > >> > > Thanks for
the help,> > >> > > Ryan> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Read this topic online he
re:> > >> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180454#180454>
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| Subject: | Gusset questions- Jim Wills Wing? |
Rob,
Please expound upon and/or provide a link to the "Jim Wills wing design."
BTW, I know what you mean about D-box strength and building the ply leading edge,
and am very familiar with Riblett airfoils applicable to Piets. Thanks.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob Hart <robhart67@hotmail.com>
>Sent: May 1, 2008 10:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gusset questions
>
>Hi Mike
>
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>At least two of us in Perth are using the Jim Wills wing design, allowing an increase
in MTOW to 1200#. With the 612 profile this should realise a more versatile
aircraft, particularly with 2 up. Incidentally, this is the reason why
some of us will be covering both top and bottom leading edges, back to the aft
edge of the front spar, with ply. The enclosed D section this creates dramatically
increases the strength of the wing, allowing the increased MTOW from the
original design.Cheers
>Rob
>
>
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| Subject: | Gusset questions |
Hello Rob,
"To avoid the need for staples/nails, I made up 20 weight blocks from 1" steel
bar." I did a similar thing except I purchased 1 lb bolts at my local hardware
store. See photos...
each bolt was about 50 Cents.
The photos are of my bottom being attached. I have a much wider fuse then most.
Ken H
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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Not sure if any of you have seen this, but it was sent to me by a pilot friend
of mine. It's a video clip about the EAA, narrated by Harrison Ford. It's about
17 minutes long, but worth watching. There's even a brief appearance of Dick
Navratil's Rotec-powered Piet. Enjoy!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1412255721?bctid=1381694270
Billy McCaskill
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| Subject: | Gusset questions |
Ken:
Not sure if it is common knowledge here but I thought I pass this on about
making cheap clamps. Boat building like airplane building often requires
lots of them.
Run a piece of 2 or 3 inch PVC schedule 40 down a table saw and cut one wall
through, then chop it in to 1 inch wide doughnuts. You can make a bucket
full of clamps for pennies.
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Hand prop a Corvair? |
We did exactly that this past Saturday. I have video as well if you'd like to see,
though after driving 36 hours and arriving home with a Piet this afternoon,
I'm going for a hot tub with a bowl of chocolate ice cream and taking long nap
(afterwards) first! I and my co-owner buddy picked up a nearly done Piet this
past weekend - it's the blue and cream one that was on Barnstormers these past
several months. The engine had not run for months. Outside temp was about
zero, and the hangar was not heated. We checked the oil, drained the tank and
gascolator, then added clean fuel. After a few pulls to limber the engine, we
pulled 4-5 blades with fuel and choke on and mags off. Mags on, choke off, and
it popped on pull 3, and started on pull 4. A tweak or two on the choke kept
it happy for the first few seconds, then it was fine warming up open. It was
not a big deal to prop, and others have been doing it for ages. With a balky engine
of course the tale may be somehwat different..
Hope this adds some perspective.
Mike D.
p.s. the carb (soon to be ex-carb) is a leaky Tillotson.
p.p.s. right after that run, we pulled the engine and mount and shipped it to a
new owner. We're using an A-75 instead. But the Corvair sounded really nice,
with a hint of a lumpy idle to give it that "do-you-think-my-cam-is-stock?" sound.
We only ran it to 1500 rpm as we were freezing and it was taking it's time
to warm up in the wind and cold.
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| Subject: | Gusset questions |
MIchael...
Excellent idea!! I am off to the hardware store for some PVC. I will start making
some tomorrow!
Ken
Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net> wrote:
Ken:
Not sure if it is common knowledge here but I thought I pass this on about
making cheap clamps. Boat building like airplane building often requires
lots of them.
Run a piece of 2 or 3 inch PVC schedule 40 down a table saw and cut one wall
through, then chop it in to 1 inch wide doughnuts. You can make a bucket
full of clamps for pennies.
Michael
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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I made a bunch of PVC clamps a while ago and used them extensively on my wing.
They really do work well !!! I used a larger pipe size (6 inch I think) and then
made clamps of various widths to control clamp pressure.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: 5/1/2008 4:13:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gusset questions
MIchael...
Excellent idea!! I am off to the hardware store for some PVC. I will start making
some tomorrow!
Ken
Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net> wrote:
Ken:
Not sure if it is common knowledge here but I thought I pass this on about
making cheap clamps. Boat building like airplane building often requires
lots of them.
Run a piece of 2 or 3 inch PVC schedule 40 down a table saw and cut one wall
through, then chop it in to 1 inch wide doughnuts. You can make a bucket
full of clamps for pennies.
Michael
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Pietenpol-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Pietenpol-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: Gusset questions |
Put handles on them for one hand use. Makes a HUGE
difference when you can hold something in place with
one hand while clamping with the other. I have them
in 3, 4 and 6" sizes.
There are NEVER enough clamps!
Clif
>
> Run a piece of 2 or 3 inch PVC schedule 40 down a table saw and cut one
> wall
> through, then chop it in to 1 inch wide doughnuts. You can make a bucket
> full of clamps for pennies.
>
> Michael
>
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