---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/13/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Alliance, OH Fly In (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 2. 07:05 AM - Re: wing rib brads - Bingelis articles available (John Egan) 3. 07:28 AM - Re:Bingelis articles available (TOM STINEMETZE) 4. 10:01 AM - Re: Alliance, OH Fly In (Steve Eldredge) 5. 10:41 AM - Re: wing rib brads (chase143) 6. 02:12 PM - Re: Alliance, OH Fly In (Don Emch) 7. 06:27 PM - Having hard time (Milt Atkinson) 8. 07:09 PM - Re: Having hard time (Peter W Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance, OH Fly In From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Nice list of guys there Don E. I wonder if Fantastic Frank Paviliga will have his Warner powered (that he acquired from Lowell Frank) Sky Gypsy back in the air by then ? Sounds like he's making good progress on the recovering process, new cowlings made, new windshields. For those who don't know, Frank's 65 Cont. powered Piet will now sport a Warner radial, wire wheels (black, uncovered) and a fairly standard BHP paint scheme if I remember correctly. No one will recognize this one after her extreme makeover. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:04 AM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing rib brads - Bingelis articles available Piet Builders - Through your EAA membership, you are able to view on line, many articles written by Tony Bingelis regarding homebuilding techniques. - The articles are accompanied with the same diagrams as in his books.- Follow the path below. =0Ago to:=0Awww.eea.org=0A--- member services =0A--- --- member benfits=0A--- --- --- commu nity (in blue box on the right side of the page)=0A--- --- - -- --- homebuilding=0A--- --- --- --- - -- articles (on the left side of the page)=0A--- --- -- - --- --- --- then you need to log in as an "EAA member " (your membership fee gives you access)=0A--- --- --- --- --- --- --- then you can select the articles yo u want to read=0AThis information may provide folks with good reading while waiting at airports on bussiness trips-as-some of you travel, or to vi ew the contents of the books. - Have fun.=0A=0Ajohn=0A----- Original Mess age ----=0AFrom: Glenn Thomas =0ATo: pietenpol- list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:28:29 PM=0ASubject: Re: P ietenpol-List: wing rib brads=0A=0A=0AAccording to Mr. Bingelis, the nails are of absolutely no consequence once the glue has dried (excuse me, ...cur ed).- All the strength of a joint is attributed to the adhesive.- In my opinion (only my opinion) if I can save a few ounces here and there, I wou ld remove the nails.- The theme "think light" has come up many times and that is my intention.- I'm trying to build the whole plane with no nails. - Clamps for wing ribs are not that hard to make.- I think if lightness is a primary objective you will achieve it by default by simply looking at each piece you build and asking yourself if there will be a weight penalty for your decision.=0A-=0AAgain, just my humble opinion.- =0A-=0ASome people hestitate to take passengers over 180 lbs up for rides.- Walt Eva ns took my fat butt (212 lbs) up for a ride in his-plane without hestitat ion because his plane is LIGHT.- 595 lbs. ...and climbed nicely.- I thi nk as soon as you start making allowances (a pound here, five pounds there) it-can become a habit.=0A-=0AJust my non-flying,-Pietenpol forum gai ned, $0.02 worth.- A pound saved is a pound earned.=0A=0A-=0AOn 5/12/08 , Ted White wrote: =0A--> Pietenpol-List messa ge posted by: "Ted White" =0A=0Amost of the bui lders logs I have researched noted that after the gussets had dried, the br ads were removed. Why not leave them in?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onli ne here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182680#182680 =0A=0A-- =0AGlenn Thomas=0AStorrs, CT=0Ahttp://www.flyingwood.com =0A=0A=0A -======================== =======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:00 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Bingelis articles available John: Thanks for that link to the Bingellis articles! Mike Cuy talked me into buying the whole set of Bingellis books early on in my project and I have spent countless hours reading in them since. What's more, his information is accurate and valuable. (Not that I want my boss to catch me reading these articles at WORK you understand.) Tom Stinemetze do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:01 AM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance, OH Fly In Engine I can understand, but why the recover and new paint? Stevee -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance, OH Fly In Nice list of guys there Don E. I wonder if Fantastic Frank Paviliga will have his Warner powered (that he acquired from Lowell Frank) Sky Gypsy back in the air by then ? Sounds like he's making good progress on the recovering process, new cowlings made, new windshields. For those who don't know, Frank's 65 Cont. powered Piet will now sport a Warner radial, wire wheels (black, uncovered) and a fairly standard BHP paint scheme if I remember correctly. No one will recognize this one after her extreme makeover. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wing rib brads From: "chase143" Just my 2 cents: I followed the lead of several others and built clamps on my jigs. Having completed approx. 12 ribs so far, I find the joint results extremely consistent. The clamps have a "feel" for how much pressure is being applied, preventing joint starvation and of course do not damage the wood in any way. I'm never in a hurry, but the first side of the rib is glued in under 30 minutes and the second side in about 15. I have not tried braids, so this info is just offered for comparison / as another data point. Also, the clamps/jib were easy and a lot of fun to make! Steve C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182966#182966 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Alliance, OH Fly In From: "Don Emch" Hey Mike... He says it should be ready by the first of June. He is a fast worker, that's for sure. I believe the engine is actually a Lambert. What do you think Mike, can you make it down? Salem Fly-in is this weekend too. Don E. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183010#183010 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:53 PM PST US From: "Milt Atkinson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Having hard time Having a hard time getting my hands around a material list for the extended Air Camper fuselage. There are two drawings and they do not interpolate from one size to another and then there is the third plan published in the 1932 'Flying and Glider Manual'. Some have sent me a started spread sheet, but it was not complete nor did I know if it was the extended version or not. I am just wanting to do the fuselage for now and leave the wing and tail section for this coming winter. I was wanting to leave the sides of the fuselage open until and rigging and plumbing was done, so I don't have to order the full sheets of plywood now . the longerons would be the only thing that would require special shipping. Does anyone have a "complete" material list that they would not mine sharing? Milt Atkinson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:01 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Having hard time Milt, Check out my web site (HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com). There is a wood cutting list under =93Services & Suppliers=94 -> =93Material Lists=94. The list is for the extended version. The wing spars are box (U) section not routed. Hope it helps Peter Wonthaggi Australia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milt Atkinson Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Having hard time Having a hard time getting my hands around a material list for the extended Air Camper fuselage. There are two drawings and they do not interpolate from one size to another and then there is the third plan published in the 1932 =91Flying and Glider Manual=92. Some have sent me a started spread sheet, but it was not complete nor did I know if it was the extended version or not. I am just wanting to do the fuselage for now and leave the wing and tail section for this coming winter. I was wanting to leave the sides of the fuselage open until and rigging and plumbing was done, so I don=92t have to order the full sheets of plywood now =85 the longerons would be the only thing that would require special shipping. Does anyone have a =93complete=94 material list that they would not mine sharing? 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